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Angola bans Islam, begins tearing down mosques

There are 151 comments on the Examiner.com story from Nov 25, 2013, titled Angola bans Islam, begins tearing down mosques. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

In an apparent attempt to prevent the spread of Islamic extremism, the African nation of Angola has banned Islam and is in the process of tearing down mosques, according to multiple media reports .

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warner

Margate, UK

#149 Dec 2, 2013
Exposing The Antichrist wrote:
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Hellfire is what it is be it Moslem or Christian.
Either way it's utter madness and most certainly not from the GOD that the historical Jesus taught is LOVE.
You are in great spiritual peril whichever one of these insane religions you chose. It doesn't matter if it's Moslem or Patriarchal Hierarchical Christian. Both are hate and fear based religions that have caused much harm to humanity.
You claim to be non- religious, but you use the name of Jesus, and you claim that He only taught love, and you use the words spiritual peril! You seem to be some woolly so called Christian, the type that says God is love and Sodomy is love! The type who would watch their 2 year old roasted on a spit, and then shout out to the perpetrators that you forgive them because God is Love. What love is,(as you have no concept of its meaning) is to stand against Evil, and not allow it to dominate and to know that it is gross and not accept its enlargement because love knows that when good men do nothing, evil flourishes! Love is to be concerned about others and my love is for the victims of terror but l definitely don't love the enemies of God, and God did not ask me to Love Satan and all his works so if we take it to the levels you advocate then we must Love Satan and all his works! No, you are so arrogant and deluded and confused! If the day ever comes that l start feeling Love for Satan then l will join a Satanic Religion like Islam! Christianity is not Satanic, and it is a loving religion, but you said otherwise, your Father is Satan because he is the chief of all Liars!

Since: Sep 13

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#150 Dec 2, 2013
warner wrote:
<quoted text>In the civilised areas of the World there are not problems with Christian fighting Christian. If you point to Northern Ireland, don't make the mistake of thinking that Christians fight against Christians, the truth is that people who don't read bibles and don't have an active spiritual life fight the state (and the state is secular). In Northern Ireland it's about Land and its stupid because they are all in Europe now! In the Congo, they are a people who are calling themselves Christians but.... the churches are corrupt and are making money out of false accusations against children saying that they are demon possessed and need cleansing (which they charge money for) this results in parents disowning their children and if the churches pick the children up and feed and clothe them, they still say that the children are demon possessed and the parents need to pay the money for their cleansing rites. These people are hurting children through their false accusations and even through the cleansing rites! Another thing, many parents who get normal childish disobedience are believing that they are looking at demon possession and ditching their children, and poor people are opting out of their parental responsibility by claiming that their children are demon possessed! I know that it is a big problem and some of the civilised and educated Christians are are to their elbows in trying to fight against these practices which are totally against the teachings of Jesus on many levels, even to the point where Jesus in scripture has said that he plans to deliver a terrible punishment on people who hurt little children who believe in Him! Those little children are willingly submitting to cuts being made by razors into their stomachs(without anaesthetic too!)to remove the demon, and all the time the child chants 'take it out, in the name of Jesus'. I can assure you that l abhor those so called Christians in the Congo! When Christians say to me celebrate Christianity is rising fast in the Congo, they wish that they had kept their mouths shut, because l let rip about those evil hypocrites in the Congo!
However, Islam is ignorant too and there is much to be done to educate many Christians and Muslims!
You need to understand that most of Pakistan is moderate or secular. Women don't even wear hijab in much of the country. People don't pray regularly if at all-but they are VERY VERY political.

Rwanda-mostly Christian
Everywhere in Europe in WW2
South Africa (NOT CONGO)
South America, Mexico, Central America
South Central LA
Bronx

I know all kinds of crimes done by people named Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Christopher and Paul and Timothy. Ok? I know crimes done by Mohammeds and Amirs and Ahmeds. Those people are NOT practicing Islam any more than Pastor Hornbuckle of Texas was practicing Christianity-no matter WHAT he told those women (myriads of them). There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Many are victims of terrorists, they aren't guilty! Prominent Muslims decry extremism constantly, but no one cares what an Imam that isn't blowing anything up has to say-you only pay attention to the nut jobs OR to the people making false claims (like the mass marriage of tiny primary school girls in Palestine that was popular a few years ago-total lie). I have seen Christian Arabs commit crimes in the US and entire forums blow up about the hateful dirty towelheads...who turn out to be orthodox or Eastern Catholics. FYI, there are more Christian Arabs(63%) in America than there are Muslim Arabs(24%). Be aware that not everyone named Mohammed is Muslim-no matter how Muslim the name sounds to you, it was Arabic first.

Remember that many Muslims are working for peace, but that story isn't as sexy as the one guy who blows up a bus. So that story is not told. I see all kinds of activism because I am actually IN the community.

If crazies don't represent Christianity and you recognize it, than give us the same respect.

Since: Sep 13

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#151 Dec 2, 2013
warner wrote:
<quoted text> No, you are making a mistake, Christians don't debate in their Churches to go to war, nor do they get to give an opinion on what the state decides except in the form of protests which many people do. You are thinking that the government's are Christians but l can assure you that they are not. One of my Christian friends is the only person in her college class out of 18 people or so, who is Christian! This in Britain! Her fellow students treat her as an oddity, and spotted that she was different because she never swears so they asked her why. This is reflective of the whole country, l assure you so please don't say that it's Christians, the government is secular with the odd Christian MP, and it is a democratic country. When you talk of in your countries and Westerners should not be there, l find that strange because you guys are populating our Western Lands and we are not expected to mind about it.
I respectfully disagree. I was IN a church SBC, that debated the war a lot, both in the pulpit and the pews. Living in a heavily military neighborhood, it was a constant point of discussion in the church. There was a lot of justifying and later some soul searching going on from that pulpit. It kind of depended on the latest results from the latest offensive.

Why is it that you can recognize that people claiming to be Christian are not, but you don't allow Muslims to say that other supposed Muslims are not following our faith? You need to give us the same respect you would like accorded to your faith to be judged not on the bad actors, but the ones actually PRACTICING it. Terrorist extremists are NOT. Men who abuse women or children are NOT(In either religion). Much of what you read is BS because once you have a different language, a different alphabet and then some political slanting, translations can be made up out of whole cloth (and often are) or twisted to suit an agenda.

Try to look at the nonsense with the same jaded eye you give to the things you see that don't look good for Christians. You discount them because you know what Jesus said, right? Well, I know what the Quran says. I also know that IT has been twisted by agendas in translation and I have been careful about the translations I read.One translated a verse of the Quran to harmonize with a so called reliable hadith that disagreed with what it said. It even admitted it! I object to that nonsense strenuously and I'm just grateful that KSA was honest about their own translation being skewed that way. NOT GOOD ENOUGH though. People need to get out of the hearsay-its destroying nations.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#152 Dec 2, 2013
BASHER505 wrote:
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Misspelled, but exactly correct.
It's this kind of blind, stupid, bigoted zealotry from Christian, Muslim and all the others that makes killing anyone "in the name of god" acceptable.
I cannot, will not, accept any organized religion that condones violence as a means to an end.
Christian Soldiers....Jihadists...there is no difference. And before you fools try to flame all over this, look at what you are screaming about!
No flames here. Self defense (truly, not the BS kind) is the only excuse for any blood to be shed.

I will say though-Islam is NOT an organized religion.ITs about the least organized religion that I know of. Like herding chickens. That might be part of the problem. The most organization you get in it is in Iran. Make of that what you will.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#153 Dec 2, 2013
Actually, Islam is organized(very simple) Muslims are another story altogether:)
warner

Margate, UK

#154 Dec 3, 2013
Covered wrote:
<quoted text>You need to understand that most of Pakistan is moderate or secular. Women don't even wear hijab in much of the country. People don't pray regularly if at all-but they are VERY VERY political.
Rwanda-mostly Christian
Everywhere in Europe in WW2
South Africa (NOT CONGO)
South America, Mexico, Central America
South Central LA
Bronx
I know all kinds of crimes done by people named Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Christopher and Paul and Timothy. Ok? I know crimes done by Mohammeds and Amirs and Ahmeds. Those people are NOT practicing Islam any more than Pastor Hornbuckle of Texas was practicing Christianity-no matter WHAT he told those women (myriads of them). There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Many are victims of terrorists, they aren't guilty! Prominent Muslims decry extremism constantly, but no one cares what an Imam that isn't blowing anything up has to say-you only pay attention to the nut jobs OR to the people making false claims (like the mass marriage of tiny primary school girls in Palestine that was popular a few years ago-total lie). I have seen Christian Arabs commit crimes in the US and entire forums blow up about the hateful dirty towelheads...who turn out to be orthodox or Eastern Catholics. FYI, there are more Christian Arabs(63%) in America than there are Muslim Arabs(24%). Be aware that not everyone named Mohammed is Muslim-no matter how Muslim the name sounds to you, it was Arabic first.
Remember that many Muslims are working for peace, but that story isn't as sexy as the one guy who blows up a bus. So that story is not told. I see all kinds of activism because I am actually IN the community.
If crazies don't represent Christianity and you recognize it, than give us the same respect.
As l said Covered, the Gospels don't no
advocate that people commit crimes, and the vast majority of people who are Christians live up to what is expected of them. The Koran does have verses that advocate thus encourage violence and a sense of superiority over people such as myself a devout Christian! The Muslims are in the minority at the time being in the West, so you can expect that you will be right when you say that people with non-muslim names are doing the majority of crimes! As for you saying that people with Muslim names may not be practicing Muslims, l take that statement with a pinch of salt, because it is extremely unlikely that they are secular people! However, even if they are secular as you claim, they will quickly revert back to their Muslim/Islamic roots when the numbers of Muslims rise to become sizeable in the country, and guess what, they are the very people who will pick up weapons and deliver mayhem and rape and murder and steal the property of the 'disbelievers in Mohammad, not God' as the Koran instructs them to do in the latest verses, and those types that you claim to despise will actually be the people who the Koran applauds and awards them direct entry into Heaven over the likes of you! So, you see what your Koran and Mohammad has done, this is just another indication of how the Koran needs restructured and reworked!
warner

Margate, UK

#155 Dec 3, 2013
Covered says;
You need to understand that most of Pakistan is moderate or secular. Women don't even wear hijab in much of the country. People don't pray regularly if at all-but they are VERY VERY political.

Warner responds;

That is informative, but most of the Muslims in Britain came from Pakistan, and l agree that they are very political and that is why they burkanise their women! You have confirmed to me that it is nothing to do with directives from the Koran but totally a politics not religious. They are making a statement that they are here subsuming Western Culture with their culture! The Koran says exactly what the Bible says to Christian women, don't dress immodestly, and Christian women don't dress immodestly! They wear long skirts or trousers with high cut tops. But by the standards and values of the Muslims, they are regarded as being immodest because they may have a short sleeved top on in summer, thus showing their upper arms, or they show their ankles in their sandals. There are Muslim women who seem to think that if they have a full black burka and a heavy face veil, so extreme that you only see the eyes and some even have grid material over the eyes, that somehow they are more holy than their Muslim sisters who wear a scarf over their hair to cover it, and who wear trousers or long skirts, and no expose of flesh apart from the face! Wearing extreme burka garb is the norm for Muslim women in Britain today, and as l said they compete in the competition of holiness, and most of those women or their parents came from Pakistan! I don't think that these hypocrites look holy quite the opposite they look demonic!
warner

Margate, UK

#156 Dec 3, 2013
Covered says;

Remember that many Muslims are working for peace, but that story isn't as sexy as the one guy who blows up a bus. So that story is not told. I see all kinds of activism because I am actually IN the community.

Warner responds;

You say that many Muslims are working for peace, well what you mean is they are working to establish a Islamic peace which is said by Muslims to be peace, but a Muslim peace is a Christian or secularists terror!

As for the bomber, he is also working for an Islamic peace!
warner

Dublin, Ireland

#157 Dec 3, 2013
Covered wrote:
<quoted text>I respectfully disagree. I was IN a church SBC, that debated the war a lot, both in the pulpit and the pews. Living in a heavily military neighborhood, it was a constant point of discussion in the church. There was a lot of justifying and later some soul searching going on from that pulpit. It kind of depended on the latest results from the latest offensive.Terrorist extremists are NOT. Men who abuse women or children are NOT(In either religion). Much of what you read is BS because once you have a different language, a different alphabet and then some political slanting, translations can be made up out of whole cloth (and often are) or twisted to suit an agenda.
Try to look at the nonsense with the same jaded eye you give to the things you see that don't look good for Christians. You discount them because you know what Jesus said, right? Well, I know what the Quran says. I also know that IT has been twisted by agendas in translation and I have been careful about the translations I read.One translated a verse of the Quran to harmonize with a so called reliable hadith that disagreed with what it said. It even admitted it! I object to that nonsense strenuously and I'm just grateful that KSA was honest about their own translation being skewed that way. NOT GOOD ENOUGH though. People need to get out of the hearsay-its destroying nations.
I don't know what the hell kind of Church you have been in that invited you as a Muslim to discuss war in terms of approving it! Never!Never! What l think that you have not disclosed is that this Church was rented out to the community and it was not the Church that was behind that type of discussion. As for them using the pulpit to advocate war,even in a Community meeting, this would be completely out of order, as only the priest/pastor is allowed to speak from the Pulpit! If the Church finds out about this group then there will be trouble! However,some Churches are de-consecrated, and sold,and the pulpits may be retained by the buyer and used as anything and the Church building can even be used as a Pub! I suspect that there are many scenarios about how you came to be in a Church building listening to war being advocated! Consecrated ground is Holy Ground, and Churches are the people who worship in the place! De-consecrated means no longer used as a Holy place of worship! A former church building can also be purchased by Muslims and used as a Mosque (and they often like doing that!)

You have deliberately given the impression that a priest went into the Pulpit of an active and consecrated ground of a Church,and was political and preached war mongering! That is a very unlikely scenario, and l find it incredible and l believe that it's not the truth, and that you would as a Muslim go there, sneaked in or not, and listened to this is incredible! However, clearly Muslims are putting out the message that Christians are plotting wars in their Churches so we must look for your motives. Ah, l have spotted the motive, this is the lie to offset the truth that Muslims use their Religion and Mosques for to plot wars against the people who are the indigenous host nation!

Any minister/priest/ pastor, who uses a Holy consecrated ground Church to do as you claim is an apostate from the Gospels and would be defrocked immediately! Christians don't behave in this way and have no power whatsoever, to make wars, our Churches are divided from the State and political opinions are not permitted within their holy walls. However, as l said some are renting out their halls,to weight loss groups etc, but not the Church core where sermons take place. So, it is difficult for me to believe what you have said within the implications of what you said! I can see a priest pontificating against sin and crime within a neighbourhood or the country, but that is different and they are allowed to do that, but the decision for war against another country is outwith their remit!
warner

Dublin, Ireland

#158 Dec 3, 2013
who="Covered"]<qu oted text>I respectfully disagree. I was IN a church SBC, that debated the war a lot, both in the pulpit and the pews. Living in a heavily military neighborhood, it was a constant point of discussion in the church. There was a lot of justifying and later some soul searching going on from that pulpit. It kind of depended on the latest results from the latest offensive.Terrorist extremists are NOT. Men who abuse women or children are NOT(In either religion). Much of what you read is BS because once you have a different language, a different alphabet and then some political slanting, translations can be made up out of whole cloth (and often are) or twisted to suit an agenda.
Try to look at the nonsense with the same jaded eye you give to the things you see that don't look good for Christians. You discount them because you know what Jesus said, right? Well, I know what the Quran says. I also know that IT has been twisted by agendas in translation and I have been careful about the translations I read.One translated a verse of the Quran to harmonize with a so called reliable hadith that disagreed with what it said. It even admitted it! I object to that nonsense strenuously and I'm just grateful that KSA was honest about their own translation being skewed that way. NOT GOOD ENOUGH though. People need to get out of the hearsay-its destroying nations.
I don't know what the hell kind of Church you have been in that invited you as a Muslim to discuss war in terms of approving it! Never!Never! What l think that you have not disclosed is that this Church was rented out to the community and it was not the Church that was behind that type of discussion. As for them using the pulpit to advocate war,even in a Community meeting, this would be completely out of order, as only the priest/pastor is allowed to speak from the Pulpit! If the Church finds out about this group then there will be trouble! However,some Churches are de-consecrated, and sold,and the pulpits may be retained by the buyer and used as anything and the Church building can even be used as a Pub! I suspect that there are many scenarios about how you came to be in a Church building listening to war being advocated! Consecrated ground is Holy Ground, and Churches are the people who worship in the place! De-consecrated means no longer used as a Holy place of worship! A former church building can also be purchased by Muslims and used as a Mosque (and they often like doing that!)
You have deliberately given the impression that a priest went into the Pulpit of an active and consecrated ground of a Church,and was political and preached war mongering! That is a very unlikely scenario, and l find it incredible and l believe that it's not the truth, and that you would as a Muslim go there, sneaked in or not, and listened to this is incredible! However, clearly Muslims are putting out the message that Christians are plotting wars in their Churches so we must look for your motives. Ah, l have spotted the motive, this is the lie to offset the truth that Muslims use their Religion and Mosques for to plot wars against the people who are the indigenous host nation!
Any minister/priest/ pastor, who uses a Holy consecrated ground Church to do as you claim is an apostate from the Gospels and would be defrocked immediately! Christians don't behave in this way and have no power whatsoever, to make wars, our Churches are divided from the State and political opinions are not permitted within their holy walls. However, as l said some are renting out their halls,to weight loss groups etc, but not the Church core where sermons take place. So, it is difficult for me to believe what you have said within the implications of what you said! I can see a priest pontificating against sin and crime within a neighbourhood or the country, but that is different and they are allowed to do that, but the decision for war against another country is outwith their remit!
warner

Dublin, Ireland

#159 Dec 3, 2013
To Covered;

Ministers/preachers, often pray for a situation that is threatening, to end. We pray for all the wars and troubles in the World to end! I think that you have twisted the truth! It is Christian to pray for troubles to stop and it is Christian to pray against sinners and stickers of a country or town, but it is not Christian to advocate war and hype up a case for it! If our country as a Government presents a case for war, they tell the people why they feel that it is the best and only solution and when that decision has been made, the hierarchy of the Church, at the Sabbath gathering pray in grim and serious tone that the problem be resolved as quickly as possible (no hype). When casualties happen and are reported, more prayers are made to God for a quick resolve of the problem, and prayers are said for the wounded and the dead and the families of the dead, and even for the dead of our enemy, and for their families, and we ask God to bring comfort to them and all who suffer in the conflict. We pray for good and we pray that good will triumph over Evil! That is what Christians do! Would Muslims pray for their enemy?

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