Is The Quran Enough Or Do We Need Hadiths????

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Alen wrote:
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Finally, we are told that the Quran is totally sufficient for the genuine believer for the following reasons:
A- The Quran is not in need of an annex since it is complete:
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" 6:115
B- The Quran is not in need of an explanatory supplement since it is clear and is not ambiguous:
"A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book" 12:1
"We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed." 44:58
C- The Quran is not in need of a correction manual since it is perfect and harbours no contradictions:
"A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected" 11:1
D- The Quran is not in need of a step by step guide since it is fully detailed:
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
For all these reasons, all Muslims should follow the Quran, the whole Quran and
nothing but the Quran.
PRAISE GOD
Peace.
out of all of the versions of the koran that once existed how do you know the one that was finally labeled the correct version was actually that?

what verifiable concrete proof can you produce, not just conjecture?
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Without the Hadith, the kkkoran would be indecipherable, and the so-called (P)islam's Pillars would not exist.

1.To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.’”

2.To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.

3 To perform Hajj.

4. To pay zakat.

5.Bukhari:V1B2N7 To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
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Though the Quran descibes the fast, without the Hadith, Muslims wouldn't know why Ramadan was so special. The accounts of the meaning of Ramadan are in their Traditions—initially chronicled by Ishaq and then copied by Bukhari, Muslim, and Tabari.

Funny thing is, the one pillar that is actually described in the Quran, is actually a borrowed pagan ritual Qusayy invented pre-dating Mohammad's Islam. Qusayy's family took a cut on merchandise sold during the “truce of the gods” fairs of Ramadhan.
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Sep 17, 2008
 
Quran tells you to obey and follow the Prophet(PBUH) How are you going to do that when you don't read the hadiths(way of the prophet, PBUH)? You go against what you preach! Quran and Hadith go together. Peace
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Sep 17, 2008
 
Do we need hadith ?
up to us.
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Sep 18, 2008
 
Proud American wrote:
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out of all of the versions of the koran that once existed how do you know the one that was finally labeled the correct version was actually that?
what verifiable concrete proof can you produce, not just conjecture?
I know because i have read The Quran.
Now my question to you: how do you know and do you have concrete evidence to show me that The Quran did exist in more versions?
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Sep 18, 2008
 
Prophet Abraham asked God long time ago that God shows him the rites, that we practise today: fasting, prayers, charity and Hajj.

Okay?

2:127 And as Abraham raised the foundations from the Dwelling with Ishmael:“Our Lord accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.”
2:128 “Our Lord, and let us submit to You and from our progeny a nation submitting to You, and show us our rites, and forgive us; You are the Forgiving, the Merciful.”
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Sep 18, 2008
 
Naima wrote:
Quran tells you to obey and follow the Prophet(PBUH) How are you going to do that when you don't read the hadiths(way of the prophet, PBUH)? You go against what you preach! Quran and Hadith go together. Peace
1- The Quran commands all Muslims to follow the Quran Alone, this command is found in numerous verses, the following are examples:

"These are God's revelations that We recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?" 45:6

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

2- The Quran confirms that the only Sunna is the Sunna of God. No where in the Quran is there any mention of Sunna't Muhammad!!!!

"You will find that the Sunna of Allah is the only Sunna" (33:62....35:43.....48:23)

3- The Quran confirms that the only duty of Muhammad (or of any messenger) is to deliver God's message, and not to teach any other teachings.

"The only duty of the messenger is to deliver God's message" 5:99 (also in 5:92.... 16:35.......16:82.....24:54... ....29:18.....42:48.......64:1 2)

4- God commands the believers to obey the prophet, but God also makes sure that the obedience to the prophet is linked to obeying the message he delivered and nothing else. Obeying the prophet does not mean that he had a Sunna to be obeyed.

The confirmation that the obedience of the prophet is linked to obeying the message he delivered (the Quran) is confirmed in the following verse:

"Obey God and obey the messenger. If you shall turn away then the sole of the messenger is to deliver the message (the Quran)" 64:12

Note how the obedience to the prophet and the deliverance of the Quran are linked in the same verse.

5- The Quran stresses out over and over in about twenty different verses that we must obey God and obey the MESSENGER rather than mentioning a specific name for a messenger such as Muhammad or Moses........that is to emphasise that what is to be obeyed is the message of God and not the personal words of any messenger.

6- The Quran also confirms that Muhammad was commanded not to teach any other teachings, otherwise he would incur severe punishment from God:

"It (the Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he (Muhammad) uttered any other teachings, We would have grabbed him by the right, and We would have severed his Wateen (Major artery of the heart), none of you could have helped him." 69:43-47
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7- Muhammad was made to swear that the only revelation he received from God was the Quran. The following verse confirms that all what is known as (Hadith Qodsy) are lies that the prophet is innocent of:
"Say (O Muhammad) what is of the greatest testimony? Say: God is the witness between me and you, and this Quran has been inspired to me, that I may warn you and whomever it reaches" 6:19
If the hadith Al-Qodsy was truly God speaking to Muhammad as they falsely claim would'nt the verse carry a testimony to that ???
Nowhere in the Quran is there any indication that Muhammad received from God anything other than the Quran.
8- Prophet Muhammad himself commanded his people not to write his hadith, this is documented in Muslim and other books:
"Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it" (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171.....also Sahih Muslim)
9- For the first 150 years to 200 years after the death of the prophet the writing of his hadith was forbidden, in accordance with his commands. The first one to document a comprehensive collection of hadith was Al-Bukhari (Note that Al-Bukhari was born in the year 198 After Hijrah..........does that make you think????)
Even if we were to follow the hadith, how accurate can a collection of sayings documented two centuries after the death of the prophet be?????
10- God commands the prophet in the Quran to say that he is infallible in the revelation he delivers, but that he may commit errors in his personal words and hadith:
"Say:If I err , I err because of my shortcomings, and if I am rightly guided it is due to the revelation I receive from my Lord" 34:50
In spite of that confirmation and also 6 incidents in the Quran when the prophet is reprimanded by God, for errors he committed, the worshippers of Muhammad claim that he was infallible!!!! These 6 incidents are found in (8:67-68......9:43.......9:113 -114........ 33:37..........66:1.........80 :1-11 )
11- The Quran confirms that for every prophet there will be enemies of the devils of humans and jinns who will fabricate fancy sayings and attribute them to the prophet to deceive the people:
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy sayings, in order to deceive" 6:112
God also asserts that only the disbelievers will listen to such fabrications (see 6:113)
12- Finally, we are told that the Quran is totally sufficient for the genuine believer for the following reasons:
A- The Quran is not in need of an annex since it is complete:
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" 6:115
B- The Quran is not in need of an explanatory supplement since it is clear and is not ambiguous:
"A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book" 12:1
"We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed." 44:58
C- The Quran is not in need of a correction manual since it is perfect and harbours no contradictions:
"A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected" 11:1
D- The Quran is not in need of a step by step guide since it is fully detailed:
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
For all these reasons, all Muslims should follow the Quran, the whole Quran and
nothing but the Quran.
PRAISE GOD
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7- Muhammad was made to swear that the only revelation he received from God was the Quran. The following verse confirms that all what is known as (Hadith Qodsy) are lies that the prophet is innocent of:
"Say (O Muhammad) what is of the greatest testimony? Say: God is the witness between me and you, and this Quran has been inspired to me, that I may warn you and whomever it reaches" 6:19
If the hadith Al-Qodsy was truly God speaking to Muhammad as they falsely claim would'nt the verse carry a testimony to that ???
Nowhere in the Quran is there any indication that Muhammad received from God anything other than the Quran.
8- Prophet Muhammad himself commanded his people not to write his hadith, this is documented in Muslim and other books:
"Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it" (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171.....also Sahih Muslim)
9- For the first 150 years to 200 years after the death of the prophet the writing of his hadith was forbidden, in accordance with his commands. The first one to document a comprehensive collection of hadith was Al-Bukhari (Note that Al-Bukhari was born in the year 198 After Hijrah..........does that make you think????)
Even if we were to follow the hadith, how accurate can a collection of sayings documented two centuries after the death of the prophet be?????
10- God commands the prophet in the Quran to say that he is infallible in the revelation he delivers, but that he may commit errors in his personal words and hadith:
"Say:If I err , I err because of my shortcomings, and if I am rightly guided it is due to the revelation I receive from my Lord" 34:50
In spite of that confirmation and also 6 incidents in the Quran when the prophet is reprimanded by God, for errors he committed, the worshippers of Muhammad claim that he was infallible!!!! These 6 incidents are found in (8:67-68......9:43.......9:113 -114........ 33:37..........66:1.........80 :1-11 )
11- The Quran confirms that for every prophet there will be enemies of the devils of humans and jinns who will fabricate fancy sayings and attribute them to the prophet to deceive the people:
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet, human and jinn devils, to inspire in each other fancy sayings, in order to deceive" 6:112
God also asserts that only the disbelievers will listen to such fabrications (see 6:113)
12- Finally, we are told that the Quran is totally sufficient for the genuine believer for the following reasons:
A- The Quran is not in need of an annex since it is complete:
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" 6:115
B- The Quran is not in need of an explanatory supplement since it is clear and is not ambiguous:
"A.L.R. These are the signs of the clear book" 12:1
"We have made it (the Quran) easy to understand and in your own tongue (language) may you take heed." 44:58
C- The Quran is not in need of a correction manual since it is perfect and harbours no contradictions:
"A.L.R. This is a book whose verses have been perfected" 11:1
D- The Quran is not in need of a step by step guide since it is fully detailed:
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
For all these reasons, all Muslims should follow the Quran, the whole Quran and
nothing but the Quran.
PRAISE GOD
So we should leave Prophet's Mohamed (pbuh) way of following the Quran, and follow Alen's Master way!?

We are the ONES who follow the Quran not you even if you keep saying this day and night!

Peace
Alen

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So we should leave Prophet's Mohamed (pbuh) way of following the Quran, and follow Alen's Master way!?
We are the ONES who follow the Quran not you even if you keep saying this day and night!
Peace
Prophet Muhammad followed The Quran as it is descibed in The Quran.
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No, the Quran is not enough in islaam. The Quran needs the Sunnah. For example, the Qura'an tells us to pray, but it does not teach HOW to pray. It is the sunnah (hadith) that teaches us what to recite during prayer and how many rakats we have to pray etc.. If you truly love Allah then love His messenger. The following are some ayah (verses) from the Qura'an,

Allah says what means in the Qura'an, Surah an-Nisa verse 59
"O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over a thing, then return it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more beautiful of interpretation."

He says that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).
"By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect."

He says that people do not have faith if they do not take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of their disputes (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65).

"No, by your Lord and Sustainer, they do not have faith until they have you (O Prophet) judge what is disputed among them, then they do not find in their souls any distress at what you have decided, and they accept it wholly and completely."

He says that when He and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter, it is not for any believing man or woman to do anything but obey (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36).

"And it is not ever for a faithful man or a faithful woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair that there is any choice for them in their affair, and who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, so he is indeed wandering far astray."

He says that what the Messenger gives, people should take, and what he prohibits, they should abstain from (Surah al-Hashr ayah 7).
"...And what the Messenger gives you, so take it, and what he prohibits you, so refrain from it. And be in awe of Allah. Surely Allah is Stern of Punishment.
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May Allah guide us All.Ameen.

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Sara Mohamud wrote:
No, the Quran is not enough in islaam. The Quran needs the Sunnah. For example, the Qura'an tells us to pray, but it does not teach HOW to pray. It is the sunnah (hadith) that teaches us what to recite during prayer and how many rakats we have to pray etc.. If you truly love Allah then love His messenger. The following are some ayah (verses) from the Qura'an,
Allah says what means in the Qura'an, Surah an-Nisa verse 59
"O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over a thing, then return it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more beautiful of interpretation."
He says that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).
"By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect."
He says that people do not have faith if they do not take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of their disputes (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65).
"No, by your Lord and Sustainer, they do not have faith until they have you (O Prophet) judge what is disputed among them, then they do not find in their souls any distress at what you have decided, and they accept it wholly and completely."
He says that when He and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter, it is not for any believing man or woman to do anything but obey (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36).
"And it is not ever for a faithful man or a faithful woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair that there is any choice for them in their affair, and who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, so he is indeed wandering far astray."
He says that what the Messenger gives, people should take, and what he prohibits, they should abstain from (Surah al-Hashr ayah 7).
"...And what the Messenger gives you, so take it, and what he prohibits you, so refrain from it. And be in awe of Allah. Surely Allah is Stern of Punishment.
"
May Allah guide us All.Ameen.
You are absolutely right Sra, without the hadiths, islam will not have 4 of its 5 pillars. The only pillar of islam that kkkpran mentions is that of the pagan practice of hajj.
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Sara Mohamud wrote:
No, the Quran is not enough in islaam. The Quran needs the Sunnah. For example, the Qura'an tells us to pray, but it does not teach HOW to pray. It is the sunnah (hadith) that teaches us what to recite during prayer and how many rakats we have to pray etc.. If you truly love Allah then love His messenger. The following are some ayah (verses) from the Qura'an,
Allah says what means in the Qura'an, Surah an-Nisa verse 59
"O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over a thing, then return it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more beautiful of interpretation."
He says that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent to explain the Quran, not just to deliver it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).
"By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect."
He says that people do not have faith if they do not take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of their disputes (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65).
"No, by your Lord and Sustainer, they do not have faith until they have you (O Prophet) judge what is disputed among them, then they do not find in their souls any distress at what you have decided, and they accept it wholly and completely."
He says that when He and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter, it is not for any believing man or woman to do anything but obey (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36).
"And it is not ever for a faithful man or a faithful woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair that there is any choice for them in their affair, and who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, so he is indeed wandering far astray."
He says that what the Messenger gives, people should take, and what he prohibits, they should abstain from (Surah al-Hashr ayah 7).
"...And what the Messenger gives you, so take it, and what he prohibits you, so refrain from it. And be in awe of Allah. Surely Allah is Stern of Punishment.
"
May Allah guide us All.Ameen.
You have bee misled Sara.

Listen to what you are saying; The Quran (the literal word of God) is not enough.

How you insult God with such words!

The hadiths were invented hundreds of years AFTER Muhammad died.

We should hold fast only to the Quran.

visit submission.org for the real Islam.

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The Hadiths are what Muhammad did .. doesnt mean it was right. The Quran says to Pray twice a day .. Muhammad prayed 5 times a day.

If the Quran doesnt tell you how to pray .. you just pray.. how you feel you need to pray.

Like some Christians put their hands together to pray to God, some dont. It how you want to do it ..

The hadiths are the stories of Muhammads life and honestly how he perverted the Quran to his own.

Why do you need a book to explain a book?
and what gets me is that Sunnis use some of the Hadiths, Shias use differnt ones to suit what they feel is right towards Sharia law.

EG the veil:.. was a curtain between Muhammads wives and other men... yet it has been taken to extremes in certain countries and even down to the colours... Does the Quran say it has to be black, does it say that girls after the age of 7 have to wear it?

And when Muhammad was alive and had the Quran told to him .. there was NO hadiths for people to also read and to follow. So if anything these people that wrote the Hadiths totally corrupted the whole way of live of a Muslim with the Quran only.
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Hadiths are lies and were written by Muslim enemies 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad.

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Alen wrote:
Hadiths are lies and were written by Muslim enemies 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad.
Ok smarty pants so you answered it in 2 lines where i said it in a lot more ... trust you to outsmart me ... lol ...
but in saying that ... you are so dam right !!!!!!!!
(oh and was my reply right or was i a bit off target?)
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quran and hadius both necessay
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Alen wrote:
Hadiths are lies and were written by Muslim enemies 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad.
You mean Bukhari, Muslim, Abu dawood, Nasai, Imam Hanbal were all enemies of Islam? You are unfair to these people.It is like shooting the messenger.

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