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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54741 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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muslim aurat ka kutta

Denver, CO

#38542 Mar 3, 2013
Agar koi Muslim Aurat ya ladki sex ke liye ready ho to mi uska paltu kutta ban kar taa umar uske talwe chatne ko tiyyar hu. Hazrat Sahab ka gulam bhi wo mujhe bana sakti hai.Phir wo mujhe Islam me badal sakti hai.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#38543 Mar 3, 2013
We are not just going to KILL the muslims…we will take out their innards and oil the tracks of our tanks

we are going to MURDER those lousy inbred hun muslim bastards IN THEIR MOSQUES

we wont hold on to any position , we will continously ADVANCE into mecca and dynamite that black stone with a million huns INSIDE that toilet
harminder

Mumbai, India

#38544 Mar 3, 2013
Muslims are THE ENEMY…WADE INTO them

spill their blood , cut em up, burn em, shoot em in the head

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#38545 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
So you think I am faking my respect for my Prophet? You people are unaware of the sanctity of the office of prophet hood, otherwise you will not make such loose comments.
02. And you call me as sycophant and like Royal courtiers, you are unaware of how many Islamic Scholars much above me in knowledge and moral values, have expressed their humility to our prophet.
How can I even reach to their eloquence. In fact what I wrote was itself an insult to the majesty of our prophet.
You people do not realize the honest and sincere love which every Muslim has for their prophet.
On his name hundreds and thousands of Muslims are ready to sacrifice their lives and have done in past and doing presently and continue to do in future.
03. What Osama did, he is answerable for his deeds. But he sacrificed every thing which he had for his cause, even his life.
04. Your comment shows that you have no idea of the office of prophet hood.
You said "he was just a medium"….why God chose only him as a medium and not any Tom Dick and Harry from the crowd?
He was not only a Medium, he was also a Guide and Role model and showed them how the Quranic teachings were to be put into practice.
Take book any book in the world and then try to make a practical model out of it, unless you have a teacher and guide, you will not be able to do it.
Whatever any Muslim has got it, they got it from their prophet.
Allah says in Quran "Whosoever follows the Prophet indeed follows Allah".
And at many places call Muslims "Follow Allah and Follow the messengers of Allah".
PS:
And you said that I used flattery and sycophancy and insincerity to down grade myself before my prophet.
What I wrote was not even 1 % of what I really felt about his greatness.
Holding the founder of your religion in deep reverence is understandable, but in your posts your adulation for muhammad is bordering on worship, kind of idol worship. Why can't you muslims restrict your admiration for muhammad to a strictly utilitarian point of view, like how we admire Bill Gates for his development of the Windows architecture?

Isn't it true that muslims have built a personality cult around muhammad, something reminiscent of communist rulers of East European countries? Can you tell of any other prophet from another religion who is invested with so much cult status? Muhammad is not just a harmless role model for you muslims, but is someone who has been deified into a semi divine figure. Such is the cult like aura you muslims have constructed around muhammad that you muslims don't brook any criticism or unflattering comments against him.

Is not the whole idea of prophethood a glaring example of unscientific spirituality? One of the basic principles of science is testability. Scientific spirituality is that which is testable or experiential in the psychological realms subject to certain conditions. Scientific spirituality demands that if you are able to meet certain psychological conditions then you must have the same experiences which the spiritual pioneer experienced. Can you explain as to what is that gold standard of evidence which makes you believe what muhammad said in the absence of the principle of testability?

Muhammad foreclosed the option of prophecy for future generations, thus denying to you muslims the adventure of spiritual discovery. Ironically this very denial of spiritual discovery is described as great mercy by you muslims.
Dabang

Delhi, India

#38546 Mar 3, 2013
kash us jamane bhi TV channels hote !!! Muhammad bhi "Muhammad Baba" ke naam se TV pe aate. Unke channel ka naam " Rasul and Allah" hota....wo bhi Osama ki tarah ek AK47 ko hath me lekar Amrica ko dhamki dete hue speech deta.....Allhu akbar...Allah's next target would be......insaallah
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38547 Mar 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Salaam Brother MUQ, my brothers and sisters are all professed muslims, however, they all like the bottle. I dont know if I have told you this before, a couple of years back, I dropped my 80 year uncle for his jumma namaz. That same night there was party where I offered him double shot of screwdriver (vodka n orange), not only did that musalmoon (as they call it in Farsi) gulp it down, he asked for another.
I suggest that we keep our family and personal life out of our discussion. I am not interested in knowing anything about you. I however do know that you are a "pacca" musalman and prime candidate for jannath (inshallah). May allah grant you the highest level in paradise.....ameen.
You see brother MUQ, I am not the most educated draw in town, but I read plenty. The more I read, more questions keep cropping up which you fellows cannot answer. Not only do I read books by Islamic & Western scholars, I read books by Atheists as well and these guys have some very valid points, even though I do not agree with everything they say. But there is one common denominator between those kufars and myself, and that is faith is the surrender of one's mind to an unproven hypothesis.
The difference between you and I is that you have accepted a doctrine at face value without question whereas I have rejected it due to lack of evidence. A book, that is considered sacred, has to be authenticated or else its not to be trusted. That is why I am asking you to come up with the orignal manuscripts of the Koran. How do we know who wrote the Koran? Do you have irrefutable evidence that Mohammad wrote it? Out of the 6600 verses, can you show prove that even 10% of it was written during Mohammad's lifetime? How do you know that the Koran was not authored under the auspices of the Ummayads?
It wasn’t until the 1970s that a number of books appeared that questioned more bluntly and comprehensively the traditional view of the Koran's origins and early development of the text. Islam is forced to be constantly on the attack because it cannot defend itself. Islam cannot withstand objective scrutiny of its holy scripture and history.
I never claimed that different sects recite different Korans....dont know where you got that from.
Looking forward to your response.
Well put. You are aware, Mahmood, that if any "western" posted matters so succinctly he/she would be called "islamophobic" by MUQ and likes.
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38548 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You are right, the more he opens up, the more clearly we can trace the source of "kink" that came in his personality.
Already I am seeing his back ground. All his family members were devout Muslims. He wanted to be different from them.
This is also a form of sickness that some people get. They think that they are extraordinary.....but my experience is that "most people are ordinary".
Those who are extraordinary, do not even realize that they are, until they die and then people find out!!
It is very few people who are extraordinary and in their life time they are found out as extraordinary. You can count them on fingers.
Mahmmod is a thinker! Some thinkers get famous or infamous, not all. OH MUQ!
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38549 Mar 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Actually I did not,god infers that all man are born equal but you can't handle that because of your dishonesty towards yourself .
All those who you proclaim to have followed Muhammad ,did they have choice ?
Of course they had choice of living or dying.
Re read what you have read to us .
Individuals in power have opportunity to change world for better, or for worse. Hitler nearly pulled it off. If he had then the world for all would be a different place and , I believe, religions like Islam would have been wiped out first. It would not mean Hitler then as a game/world changer should be respected or accoladed! OH MUQ!
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38550 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. So says every ignorant about someone who do not know about his greatness. It is your own foolishness that you say he was just like any one in this world.
Ask Thomas Carlyle why he chose our prophet as his 'hero Prophet"
Ask Michel H. Hart, why he chose our prophet as # 1 in his list of all times great.
Ask any one who wrote his biography, why he selected our prophet and not every Tom, Dick and Harry from the crowd to write their biography.
You display your own ignorance when you say that our prophet was like any "ordinary human"…. He was human no doubt, but he received revelation from God Almighty.
He was the Last and Final prophet from God Almighty.
He was sent as a Mercy to whole Universe (RAHAMAT LIL ALAMEEN).
02. And from where you got the "brainwave" that our prophet was poisoned by his wives?
How you people just repeat anything and every thing, that shows our prophet in bad light, without investigating its truth?
Why you have this negative trait to believe every thing negative.
MUQ, are you not re-posting your old post here? OH MUQ!
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38551 Mar 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
5) Osmanic tradition concerning the canonization and codification of the Koran is plausible, but impossible to prove. It’s for this reason I keep asking for the original transcripts of the Koran. Those verses dictated by Mohammad to his scribes, what happened to them? Where are they now? Did Osman burn them? Were they destroyed by the Ummayads? Please answer these questions. We have sparse information from non-muslim sources. Tradition narratives are based on much later sources. And do we know what Osman burnt?
6)How can we prove that there was no interpolation in the Koran its editors? It is also possible that there are verses in the Koran which its author had every intent of abrogating, may have been included in the Koran we have today, simply due to blind zeal of the early muslims. It could also be possible, that many ephemeral passages may have been left out.
Islam was not born in the full light of history as Muslim sources claim. As explained earlier, the Koran is an ambiguous piece of literature and that is one of the reasons why it’s so difficult to meet the “sura like it challenge”. Muslims are still debating on the issue of hijab. They are doing it because there is no clear instructions in the Koran whether it should be observed or not.
7) Its only after the Koran was officially published in a written format, that the tradition of recitation and memorization began. By then the everyone was reading the same Koran.
Brother MUQ, as far as my opinion on religious matters is concerned, I am in “sirat al mustaqeem”. Unlike you, my decision is based on evidence and not dogma. I revel in individual freedom and rebel against rhetoric of duty and obligation, particularly when rhetoric comes from voices outside my own head. I question authority and refuse to respect it unless I have good reasons to. I reject any cookie-cutter ceremonies such as prayer, fasting, and plagiarized traditions such as Haj.
Looking forward to your response. If heaven and hell ever turns out to be true, may allah grant you the highest level in paradise.
When even a one version of a holy book is burnt and then decree issued to use one authorized version, we all know then that there was no one unadulterated book from the beginning.
When MUQ gets caught out then he commences to compare records of other religions. However then MUQ omits to state that only Islam followers like him are going about the authenticity of the book. MUQ has been told about the fact of the Evolution of Specis and that is what the real GOD planned amongst other things. None of the religion mentions this very basic fact. I do not think the real GOd is going to be pleased with lot like MUQ!
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#38552 Mar 3, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
5) Osmanic tradition concerning the canonization and codification of the Koran is plausible, but impossible to prove. It’s for this reason I keep asking for the original transcripts of the Koran. Those verses dictated by Mohammad to his scribes, what happened to them? Where are they now? Did Osman burn them? Were they destroyed by the Ummayads? Please answer these questions. We have sparse information from non-muslim sources. Tradition narratives are based on much later sources. And do we know what Osman burnt?
6)How can we prove that there was no interpolation in the Koran its editors? It is also possible that there are verses in the Koran which its author had every intent of abrogating, may have been included in the Koran we have today, simply due to blind zeal of the early muslims. It could also be possible, that many ephemeral passages may have been left out.
Islam was not born in the full light of history as Muslim sources claim. As explained earlier, the Koran is an ambiguous piece of literature and that is one of the reasons why it’s so difficult to meet the “sura like it challenge”. Muslims are still debating on the issue of hijab. They are doing it because there is no clear instructions in the Koran whether it should be observed or not.
7) Its only after the Koran was officially published in a written format, that the tradition of recitation and memorization began. By then the everyone was reading the same Koran.
Brother MUQ, as far as my opinion on religious matters is concerned, I am in “sirat al mustaqeem”. Unlike you, my decision is based on evidence and not dogma. I revel in individual freedom and rebel against rhetoric of duty and obligation, particularly when rhetoric comes from voices outside my own head. I question authority and refuse to respect it unless I have good reasons to. I reject any cookie-cutter ceremonies such as prayer, fasting, and plagiarized traditions such as Haj.
Looking forward to your response. If heaven and hell ever turns out to be true, may allah grant you the highest level in paradise.
I believe the real GOD will be pleased with your conduct of spreading truths here, Mahmood!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38553 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Were you standing and listening to the conversation?
And who was his "Last wife"?
(Let me test your knowledge about our prophet, 100 $ for you, if you answer this question without asking any one and without searching it on Internet!!)
May I ask of you the same question in regards to anything Muhammad said ?
A tray of Lamingtons for you to tell me the closest period when Christianity and Islam were inseparable within a formally Christian society ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38554 Mar 3, 2013
There is no Real god there is but one god who inhales our thoughts no matter which religion you may choose whomever be thy name that acts as their spiritual head that spends their peoples time making up rules to protect their flock from gods will that you pray to serve.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38556 Mar 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
Individuals in power have opportunity to change world for better, or for worse. Hitler nearly pulled it off. If he had then the world for all would be a different place and , I believe, religions like Islam would have been wiped out first. It would not mean Hitler then as a game/world changer should be respected or accoladed! OH MUQ!
The world needs benevolent dictators .

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#38557 Mar 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
There is no Real god there is but one god who inhales our thoughts no matter which religion you may choose whomever be thy name that acts as their spiritual head that spends their peoples time making up rules to protect their flock from gods will that you pray to serve.
You said so many things in one go that I'm having trouble placing them in proper context. What do you mean by there is no Real god but one god?
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#38559 Mar 3, 2013
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Mahmoud,
You have chosen your own path of discovery. Your inquiring mind wants to see, feel or experience for yourself or is willing to accept the evidence from credible source/s.
Do you believe there is one Creator of this universe and that God actually exists or is He a figment of human imagination? It's often said that if God did no exist, humans would need to invent Him.
Hi Observer,

I cannot disprove god's existence. I am not knowledgable enough to do that, and that is why I belong to the "I don't know" club. Let us suppose that there is a god, on what evidence can we attribute this god to any form of organized religion?

Kind Regards,
Mahmood

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#38560 Mar 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
When even a one version of a holy book is burnt and then decree issued to use one authorized version, we all know then that there was no one unadulterated book from the beginning.
When MUQ gets caught out then he commences to compare records of other religions. However then MUQ omits to state that only Islam followers like him are going about the authenticity of the book. MUQ has been told about the fact of the Evolution of Specis and that is what the real GOD planned amongst other things. None of the religion mentions this very basic fact. I do not think the real GOd is going to be pleased with lot like MUQ!
You are also falling into the same trap as MUQ. Real God is not so petty minded as to be pleased or displeased with anybody. Suppose you construct a robot and when it doesn't function properly, do you get angry with the robot or do you try to understand the mechanism behind the faulty functioning? Real God understands that human beings are evolving and learning through their mistakes. A person like MUQ is also going through his learning process. There is a certain mechanism behind his thought process, and as long as that mechanism is in operation you will see the same results.
Observer

Ardsley, NY

#38561 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Why are you so dumb?
You do not even know who decides the price of Oil in world market.
MUQ,
You tell us who decides the price of oil.
Of the 1.3 bil est Muslim population worldwide, how many would you consider as "true" Muslims?
You have ducked this question before. Does it make you uncomfortable answering it?
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#38562 Mar 3, 2013
WHY PEOPLE ACCEPT GOD?

Who Steve
Yes, there might be a creator and there might not be a creator. But that combination of possibilities is also not a reason to believe that there is not one... Either way, it boils down to a matter of faith. Faith that there is one, or faith that there is not one.
I do contend however, that attributing mankind's "higher functions" to a creator has its advantages... By this statement I mean that when humans believe in universal truth - right and wrong, good and bad...the results tend to be advantageous for the group. Perhaps, by design, mankind has found the truth? Nature tends to function in known patterns. Is morals part of the universe or are they an artificial construct made by man?
Who knows for sure? Nobody does. That is why bill mahr and the spaghetti monster god look so foolish to me. They look more foolish than the people they mock.
I would be more willing to have a Christian watch my back than I would a person who believes in nothing...where right and wrong are relative...

Who Mengal
Dear Steve, You fully know the nature of every animal and inherited knowledge which forced him to act particular way, This knowledge as on these threads we many time discussed and took in to consideration which fully pointing out towards a creator, How and why, the rat which never before had seen or observed or experienced to see a cat on its first look treated it of his enemy and without wasting time jumps to save his life. While on contrary very comfortably near a bigger animal like horse or goat he seeks his food. This indicates that the creator of the same, well before His creation programmed, and feed in it or at least made him known it before his creation. Like wise you would observe that human being where ever locate or live, incline to take any deity as a Lord, except a small group and without it human being cannot live peacefully. Though previously Stalin , Lennon like people used to say that due to fear man is forced to bow before any deity , however this theory on many times, as per our experience stood as not correct, This example is enough to show that these thought are not correct, Take the example of Sutellana the daughter of Stalin itself. She as herself when accepting religion explained that she brought up a family where there was no any concept of God but when she first time got knowledge presence of God that on her little effort same appealed her and believe it as without accepting God living is not Possible.

Quran the holy book of Islam very clearly gives the reason of this attitude of human “that before creation of humans the Lord got a promise or covenant from the souls of human that on their physically existence they would be sent on earth as His vicegerent and they would have to obey Him and for this purpose their messengers would come and to make remember the covenant.” This is Fact that human, without accepting any lord could not get satisfied. The moral code is also inherent with man and Quran also throw light on it That the mercy and other related good things are of His attributes ,And he gave it from his own a share to His creatures. Thus dear Steve, without obeying a Creator never the heart gets any Satisfaction, Quran the Holy Book of Islam Rightly say that

“Surely the, hearts only could get peace and satisfaction on remembrance of Lord(Allah)
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#38563 Mar 3, 2013
QUOTE WHO "ATHEIST” HELLO

I believe it to be human instinct to lie, as well as kill...
However that doesn't mean the person doing the lying or killing doesn't know the difference between wrong or right...
Lying is a Fight or flee instinct as far as I'm concerned..

Who Mengal.
Dear Atheist, some what, the direction of your antenna is not correctly set, and you are watching the scene on wrong channel, The human nature and instinct is to plead truth and raise voice for truth. Surely an atheist who sees no accountability and any other incentive he would do think or keep such idea. Otherwise this life has purpose to live for other human beings and serve them and their creator. Here is prescription for your ailing soul, which was addressed to trisha.

Trisha, No doubt, your ideas, are mostly correct about the warlords, and Islamic hardliners, who persistently are stumble block in original and beautiful teachings and concept of Quran or Islam. The acts of these groups are so ugly that we being orthodox and fundamentalist to hate these groups and all scholars of Islam treating their actions out of teachings of Islam, Some times we even Muslims become ashamed of their acts, which having no relevancy at all with teachings of Quran and Prophet of Islam the Mohammed (saw). But tell me, how one could leave to preach and convey the message of Islam, when its teachings and message clearly and unambiguously appears asset for success of human and his relation to His creator and whose, message at present distorted by these groups. Undoubtedly Islam is last message from the creator, Admittedly so for whoever has accepted Islam from west, they too know that Islam is the only and only Religion on earth to satisfy the mind and gives real peace to human, And Islam is the religion which gives the answer of all questions and doubts which perplexed or made uneasy a peaceful mind. Honestly on earth either you live like an atheist or Accept the teachings of Islam, There is no other way between these two concepts, And whoever is out of Islam and follows any religion other than Islam he is surely on wrong path and is in loss a loss which could not be compensated. My humble and honest advice for you being well wisher of humanity is that. either Accept Islam and go to paradise or to become Atheist and at least enjoy in this world and than inter in to hell on the day of judgment , Because in present position you too is denial of truth and abode is not different but Hell, like Atheist.

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