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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54734 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#38389 Feb 26, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
01. Who says I have a problem? Rejecting Islam is no problem at all.

02. Not knowing Arabic is just an excuse. Are you telling me that 1450 years back, the almighty had no clue that 85% muslims will never know Arabic? One does not need to know Arabic in order to come up with evidence.

03. There is no such thing as an authentic Islamic book. I challenge you to show me one book on Islam (not the Koran), but a book talking about Islam in general written within 100 years of Mohammad's demise?

04. There were a couple of people in my family who could recite the Koran by heart, my own mother could recite a good chunk of the Koran through memory, but none had a clue what those verses meant.

05. I agree with your opinion about tafsirs. However, I doubt did not set in until I read the Koran (in English). As a youngster, I never read the Koran, only small parts of it (in English).

06. I have been very polite with every muslim scholar whom I'v met. In fact I once sat in a halal restaurant with one of them and had a very interesting conversation, not just religion, we discussed other other topics as well.

07. Trust me, I have done my homework. You see brother MUQ, like you, the muslim scholar has made up is mind without investigating or second guessing his beliefs.

So when a muslim scholar tells me that Allah revealed such a verse to Mohammad, red flags go up telling me that this man is talking through faith and not evidence.

08. Sure a western scholar will create doubt, and why shouldn't he? He's no one's bloody fool. If a claim is not backed by evidence, what do you think one should do? If I gave you snake oil to drink, would you drink it?

Looking forward to your response.
Ans.

A. No Problem:

Now you have "opened up" a little more and I welcome it!!

It shows your family in more positive light than otherwise. Your mother used to recite a large portion of Quran thru memory, might be a Memorizer of Quran.

Your father also would be a devout Muslim and I do not know for how many generations, your family remained Muslim. That ended with you. I do not know how many brothers and sisters you have, and did they follow your example.

What about your children and your wife? Did they follow your example or of their grandparents?

01. And you say you have no problems? The greatest gift which Allah gave you, without asking, you squandered it and you say, you do not have ANY problem.

Ask any New Convert to Islam, what it means to him and then you will know what you lost.

B. On Quran:

02. And why you say, Allah did not know the value of Arabic or English language 1400 years back and 200 years from now?

Arabic is still widely spoken in the world and is the language of so many countries. None of the words used in Quran have become obscured.

Arabic is the link language of all Muslims irrespective of where they live. When you can learn English, why can't you learn Arabic?

03. I do not know what you mean by authentic book and how "any book" in the world can be "Authentic". If you think that books are authentic, only when they are written down, then original manuscripts of no ancient books are in existence. So according to you, there was nothing in the world before say 1400 years back?

What sort of conditions you are putting?

Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#38390 Feb 26, 2013
04 & 05.. It is strange that reading Quran in English took you away from Quran, while reading Quranic Translation and commentary in English "proved" to me that Quran is the Word of God and no human could have ever written it.

The problem is not in Quran, but in the person who is reading it!!

I do not know which translation of Quran and commentary you read?

And the real problem with you, was that you Hardly read Quran as a youngster. If you were reciting it regularly and reading some translation in Urdu and then when you grew up, you could have increased your knowledge by reading books in Urdu, English and any language it would have been a right procedure.

D. Doubts about Islam:

06. I can "picturise" your "polite meeting" with Islamic Scholars in London. With your recently acquired knowledge, how could he answer your doubts?

07. You have not done your home work. When the whole Quran has been checked and cross checked hundreds and thousands of time, it is not fitting that "each and every" Muslim must get the same amount of knowledge.

The problem is really with the person and not in the book.

08. Yes the "aim" of Western Scholars is to create "doubts" and that is not because of lack of knowledge or that he did not get the truth. He hides some portions and reveals some portion.

So he sort of brainwashes his people, those who have knowledge can see thru their subterfuge…. But people like you, who do not have enough knowledge and are "suspicious" about your own books, your culture, your history, they take their words as "direct revelation" from God.

So Brother Mahmood, I have seen your post, and I feel that your problem is same as any "Typical Muslim" from Indian Subcontinent, who goes to Western Countries, without sound knowledge of Islam"… and they are trapped there and think they have "discovered" some lost treasure, while in reality they lost their real treasure, their faith.

It is still possible to turn back and come to true path and the easiest course is to read the life history of prophet, may peace be on him, written by Muslims scholars,.

PS:

I want more information on your early life and education.

MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#38391 Feb 26, 2013
See what different opinions people have about me, and it proves some thing which I will tell in the end:

1. Some one says that Saudi have employed me to do propaganda works for them.

2. Some one else says I am a member of Some Jehadi outfit in Saudi Arabia.

3. Some one says that I am paid for my services.

4. Some one says that I have nothing else to do but be on the net.

5. Some one (coming for the first time on thread for the first time thinks I am a Saudi national)

6. And there are many more "explanations" for my posts.

All these "experts" differ in their analysis,no two persons are saying the same things, yet ALL of them read the same post which I write.

And this is what these "Western Experts" do about the character of our prophet, every one reaches a "different" conclusion!!

And each one quotes "authentic information" as to how he reached this conclusion.

Who is confused? Our prophet or these "experts"?

This is a very common sickness, I thank all of you people to post so many comments behind my back, without having the least knowledge about me!!
Mahmood-

Shanghai, China

#38392 Feb 26, 2013
Well.....at this stage I would like you too to open up a little....at least at par with me ! Fair enough ? if not why ?

I believe your grooming up has immense impression on ur claims....

Please tell us-

What d'you do for living ?

Why are you in UAE ?

If you have read anything other than Quran and Islamic propaganda ? If yes what are they ?(I am not interested to know why you didn't read anything?)??

About your parents and your childhood?

Who was the first convert in your clan ,and why he converted ?

Then we will continue opening up further.......to diagnose personality disorder !

OK ? Looking forward to your response ......!
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
A. No Problem:
Now you have "opened up" a little more and I welcome it!!
It shows your family in more positive light than otherwise. Your mother used to recite a large portion of Quran thru memory, might be a Memorizer of Quran.
Your father also would be a devout Muslim and I do not know for how many generations, your family remained Muslim. That ended with you. I do not know how many brothers and sisters you have, and did they follow your example.
What about your children and your wife? Did they follow your example or of their grandparents?
01. And you say you have no problems? The greatest gift which Allah gave you, without asking, you squandered it and you say, you do not have ANY problem.
Ask any New Convert to Islam, what it means to him and then you will know what you lost.
B. On Quran:
02. And why you say, Allah did not know the value of Arabic or English language 1400 years back and 200 years from now?
Arabic is still widely spoken in the world and is the language of so many countries. None of the words used in Quran have become obscured.
Arabic is the link language of all Muslims irrespective of where they live. When you can learn English, why can't you learn Arabic?
03. I do not know what you mean by authentic book and how "any book" in the world can be "Authentic". If you think that books are authentic, only when they are written down, then original manuscripts of no ancient books are in existence. So according to you, there was nothing in the world before say 1400 years back?
What sort of conditions you are putting?
Contd.)
MUQ-

Shanghai, China

#38393 Feb 26, 2013
Errrrr....I would like to add....whatever differences are there in opinion on me.....at one point everybody agree- that I am a Khusat Gandoo Budhdha....and zamin par bojh.......even my wife agrees on it !

You see the similarities ? Even everybody agrees on one point on Mohammad- that he was Chodumaharaj, unlettered and lived on his wives !
MUQ wrote:
See what different opinions people have about me, and it proves some thing which I will tell in the end:
1. Some one says that Saudi have employed me to do propaganda works for them.
2. Some one else says I am a member of Some Jehadi outfit in Saudi Arabia.
3. Some one says that I am paid for my services.
4. Some one says that I have nothing else to do but be on the net.
5. Some one (coming for the first time on thread for the first time thinks I am a Saudi national)
6. And there are many more "explanations" for my posts.
All these "experts" differ in their analysis,no two persons are saying the same things, yet ALL of them read the same post which I write.
And this is what these "Western Experts" do about the character of our prophet, every one reaches a "different" conclusion!!
And each one quotes "authentic information" as to how he reached this conclusion.
Who is confused? Our prophet or these "experts"?
This is a very common sickness, I thank all of you people to post so many comments behind my back, without having the least knowledge about me!!

“Kradvanto Viswam Aryam ”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#38394 Feb 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
A. No Problem:
Now you have "opened up" a little more and I welcome it!!
It shows your family in more positive light than otherwise. Your mother used to recite a large portion of Quran thru memory, might be a Memorizer of Quran.
Your father also would be a devout Muslim and I do not know for how many generations, your family remained Muslim. That ended with you. I do not know how many brothers and sisters you have, and did they follow your example.
What about your children and your wife? Did they follow your example or of their grandparents?
01. And you say you have no problems? The greatest gift which Allah gave you, without asking, you squandered it and you say, you do not have ANY problem.
Ask any New Convert to Islam, what it means to him and then you will know what you lost.
B. On Quran:
02. And why you say, Allah did not know the value of Arabic or English language 1400 years back and 200 years from now?
Arabic is still widely spoken in the world and is the language of so many countries. None of the words used in Quran have become obscured.
Arabic is the link language of all Muslims irrespective of where they live. When you can learn English, why can't you learn Arabic?
03. I do not know what you mean by authentic book and how "any book" in the world can be "Authentic". If you think that books are authentic, only when they are written down, then original manuscripts of no ancient books are in existence. So according to you, there was nothing in the world before say 1400 years back?
What sort of conditions you are putting?
Contd.)
Ha...ha...ha.... Miyan ji kis kadar bilbila rahe hai .

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38395 Feb 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you / Were you Serious?
Always MUQ as I would expect of you in regards to our conversations of life within our minds that we can communicate honestly with each other.

Just read of 25 hi tech Muslim students who attend Tel Aviv University and are studying in conjunction with the USA.
Those students can be seen as an act of god that with their ancestry and that of the Jewish state they have proved that they are worthy of each other which sends the world a clear message that all can get along if we try.
Just think that these 25 Muslim students will bring back to Islam a time of greatness for when it had culture as it was before it was moved on by Queen Isabella of Spain.
Mahmood

Canada

#38396 Feb 26, 2013
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Mahmood,
I have a Muslim childhood friend. One of my closest friends. His father and my father were friends. His father though a devout Muslim (5 times namaz/day, no alcohol, halal meat etc) was still a very pragmatic person. The commonality our fathers had was their love for food and both our mothers were great cooks. My father drank socially only. Mr Quereshi never did yet he always kept a bottle of whiskey to serve his guests, even though its forbidden in Islam to keep alcohol in the house. My mother in turn made sure she made only halal meats when inviting the Quereshis. His son, my friend was a rebel as a teenager. I seriously was worried about his excesses Drugs, booze, pork you name it.
Fast forward to present time. My friend turned atheist within a year of 9/11, drinks in moderation, no drugs, and eats meat in moderation. He is considering turning vegetarian! He cites cruelty to animals as his main reason for turning vegetarian. He attributes the violence of Muslims in the name of religion as one of the main reasons for his decision to leave Islam.
We are friends years later because of common interests. Never has religion cropped up in our friendship.
In my opinion being a good human being is the best "religion" to follow. There is too much BS in the name of religion.
Good point. Live by the golden rule and dont bother with any religion.
Observer

Ardsley, NY

#38397 Feb 26, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an Arab can follow that "true" path and MUQ isn't one.
Ha ha ha
His pursuit of 72 virgins is over?
MUQ believes by living in Saudi and preaching the Koran, he can convert himself into a sand blasted Arab and still reap benefits of the "true path".

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#38398 Feb 26, 2013
Chaddi- tu kanhi sadmey sE ya depression mein atm-htya tou nahi kaar gaya ? Kyon wee kidar haey ????

MUQ tou bechara soch raha haey wou Kattu kyon haey ? Otherwise life was simple !
MUQ-

Shanghai, China

#38399 Feb 26, 2013
Well pointwise-

1) I am among the lucky persons whose profession, hobby and passion are same.......I did nothing other than what I do now in forum !

2) For my earning skill, UAE pays better !

3) May ancestors were Chamar ....thus converted , we had little progress at least- we are Kuraishi-(kasai) now !

4) I am from Deobandi madarsa ......don't expect much univerasla reading from me , it is just not allowed !

5) My parents are dead long back.....they met their fate in their only Haj, where I gave them 10 Rs each and said Insha Allah....god and Indian government will take care of you ! Somebody failed or really took care of their soul !

My child hood memory is of Mulla chopping my dk in the then latest fashion......and rocking back and forth mugging bird song called Quran !

My...my...I did some adventure also with my unsheathed tool on my Khalas , cousins and sisis also!

Shall we open up further ? my hands are on my narda (of pajama) already ......Tic Toc !!!

Mahmood- wrote:
Well.....at this stage I would like you too to open up a little....at least at par with me ! Fair enough ? if not why ?
I believe your grooming up has immense impression on ur claims....
Please tell us-
What d'you do for living ?
Why are you in UAE ?
If you have read anything other than Quran and Islamic propaganda ? If yes what are they ?(I am not interested to know why you didn't read anything?)??
About your parents and your childhood?
Who was the first convert in your clan ,and why he converted ?
Then we will continue opening up further.......to diagnose personality disorder !
OK ? Looking forward to your response ......!
<quoted text>

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#38400 Feb 26, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I would be interested to know who MUQ's Master is in Saudi Arabia ?
Ministry of Perpetual Jihad...headed by a corpulent Prince of the Royal Family.

Tilts windmills in Don Quixote and Sancho Panza fashion!
Dabang

Delhi, India

#38401 Feb 26, 2013
HAJI KAJI wrote:
In this whole context of this "Gods revelation','God's words'......even Mohammad never claimed that he had any encounter or 'darshan' of Allah or God.....!
Or Gibril was God ????
Mohammad had seen only the big buttock of his Allah in the seventh heaven. He couldn't see his face. However Allah has promised to show his chin on the day of judgement. He will judge everyone on the day of judgement after 100000 years. Till then everyone can do gandmasti. Allavh will send most of the humans in hell. Only the islamic terrorists like Osama will go to jannat and have sex with 72 virgins.....
Dabang

Delhi, India

#38402 Feb 26, 2013
I want to convert to islam. I would worship Allah, but I would not follow a terrorist and pedophile Mohammad. Would muslims welcome me in their religion?????

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38403 Feb 26, 2013
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha
His pursuit of 72 virgins is over?
MUQ believes by living in Saudi and preaching the Koran, he can convert himself into a sand blasted Arab and still reap benefits of the "true path".
It would be far better that he return to India and teach tolerance between Islam and Hindu just like Gandhi did.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#38404 Feb 26, 2013
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha ha
His pursuit of 72 virgins is over?
MUQ believes by living in Saudi and preaching the Koran, he can convert himself into a sand blasted Arab and still reap benefits of the "true path".
He will always be looked upon as a "useful" spectator
Observer

Ardsley, NY

#38405 Feb 26, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ you should give up this religious instruction business and come to Australia and drive a taxi.
MUQ believes driving cabs for kafurs, made by kafurs is against Islam. Allah forbids it. Says it in Koran Sura nnn verse nnn.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#38406 Feb 26, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an Arab can follow that "true" path and MUQ isn't one.
In Saudi Arabia, there are various categories of foreigners. Indians, Pakis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankan, along with other Asians and blacks are in the lowest echelon. If you are white you are considered a Rafique.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#38407 Feb 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
04 & 05.. It is strange that reading Quran in English took you away from Quran, while reading Quranic Translation and commentary in English "proved" to me that Quran is the Word of God and no human could have ever written it.
The problem is not in Quran, but in the person who is reading it!!
I do not know which translation of Quran and commentary you read?
And the real problem with you, was that you Hardly read Quran as a youngster. If you were reciting it regularly and reading some translation in Urdu and then when you grew up, you could have increased your knowledge by reading books in Urdu, English and any language it would have been a right procedure.
D. Doubts about Islam:
06. I can "picturise" your "polite meeting" with Islamic Scholars in London. With your recently acquired knowledge, how could he answer your doubts?
07. You have not done your home work. When the whole Quran has been checked and cross checked hundreds and thousands of time, it is not fitting that "each and every" Muslim must get the same amount of knowledge.
The problem is really with the person and not in the book.
08. Yes the "aim" of Western Scholars is to create "doubts" and that is not because of lack of knowledge or that he did not get the truth. He hides some portions and reveals some portion.
So he sort of brainwashes his people, those who have knowledge can see thru their subterfuge…. But people like you, who do not have enough knowledge and are "suspicious" about your own books, your culture, your history, they take their words as "direct revelation" from God.
So Brother Mahmood, I have seen your post, and I feel that your problem is same as any "Typical Muslim" from Indian Subcontinent, who goes to Western Countries, without sound knowledge of Islam"… and they are trapped there and think they have "discovered" some lost treasure, while in reality they lost their real treasure, their faith.
It is still possible to turn back and come to true path and the easiest course is to read the life history of prophet, may peace be on him, written by Muslims scholars,.
PS:
I want more information on your early life and education.
Okay, I'll make you a deal. Find me the orignal manuscripts of the Koran, when the Koran was first written by either Mohammad or one his scribes.

If you cannot find the orignal manuscripts of the whole Koran, then the least you can do is to find me the orignal manuscripts of Sura Baqarah?

Also try finding a copy on Mohammad's biography written by some 7th CE eyewitness. The biography must be carbon dated to the 7th CE or else I wont accept it.

If you cannot come up with any of the above, then find me a book on Islam, written within 20 years of Mohammad's demise. I believe this to be a fair request because after some years, memory begins to fade. This is the reason why I reject oral traditions. Oral narratives tend to be re-phrased, re-interpreted, re-worded and unreliable. There could be some elements of truth in them but we are not sure how much.

As soon as you bring all this to light, then we can talk about me reverting back to Islam.
MUQ--

Shanghai, China

#38408 Feb 26, 2013
Ok....Ok...I will try, but please open up further....OK….OK….I will try. But first open up further…he…he… you know what I mean….

Why do you want to carbon date Quran? Is Carbon dating more authentic than Mohammad’s words written there ?

You are skeptic…..but why selective skeptic ?

Just think of Apollo 11’s mission to moon , look at the official photo of Yankees jumping in gum-boots around their flag on moon…..see closely what d’ya see ? US flag is furled in airless moon, but flying with waves ….Oooops..have you ever posted a question to West on this ? Don’t you think that even Hollywood movies are better thought trough now a days?

Quran is a unique in a way- you can fkng prove anything in this universe with it . For example –Ayat E Kursi- I would say it distinguishes between Hijab and Sky by assigning attributes to them…..How beautifully it can be interpreted……

Difference- Sky covers whole universe, and Hijab covers universal hole …..

Come back with better ayat (Arabic)from above…..my challenge to you all fkcng Kafurs !
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, I'll make you a deal. Find me the orignal manuscripts of the Koran, when the Koran was first written by either Mohammad or one his scribes.
If you cannot find the orignal manuscripts of the whole Koran, then the least you can do is to find me the orignal manuscripts of Sura Baqarah?
Also try finding a copy on Mohammad's biography written by some 7th CE eyewitness. The biography must be carbon dated to the 7th CE or else I wont accept it.
If you cannot come up with any of the above, then find me a book on Islam, written within 20 years of Mohammad's demise. I believe this to be a fair request because after some years, memory begins to fade. This is the reason why I reject oral traditions. Oral narratives tend to be re-phrased, re-interpreted, re-worded and unreliable. There could be some elements of truth in them but we are not sure how much.
As soon as you bring all this to light, then we can talk about me reverting back to Islam.

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