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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54739 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#37963 Feb 19, 2013
JESUS /JEWS/QURAN

In deed the Moses was prophet and was way to God at his time. So as Jesus was prophet and way to God at his time or period. The both messenger of Allah Almighty were own self were Jews and send for only Israelites or Jews for that period. Prophet Mohammad (saw) is seal of Messengers and is final apostle of Allah and was sent for whole man kind. Amazingly Christians took Jesus as God and claimed trinity a word which itself is strange for bible in all books of bible there is no any unequivocal or clear word in which Jesus himself has claimed as God are he asked to followers to worship him as God. This was the fact that seventy two (72) eminent Scholars of different sects of Christianity took out the world trinity and throw it out from bible as in revised standard published bible saying that word trinity is interpolation and concoction in bible.

Lo! In this regard a dialog with Dr. Zakir Naike on Peace T.V could be best material on this subject No doubt Jesus is favorite Prophet of Muslims as Quran speak about Jesus and trinity.

Surrah IV verse 171:-

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: or say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the sun of marry was (no more than) an apostle of Allah and his word, Which He bestowed on marry, and a sprit proceeding from Him: So believe in Allah and his apostles say not ' trinity' desist it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: Glory be to Him (for Exalted is he) above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as disposers of affairs”.

However, if any Christian having any doubt about the Prophet Hood of Jesus I invite him in his own benefit to watch Peace TV and listen Dr. Zakar Nike on the topic about the major religions. Similarities between Islam and Christianity. Is Jesus crucified or otherwise?
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#37964 Feb 19, 2013
who="Jinn Martini"]
Qadir, you didn't answer this question. Maybe you didn't see it. Are you saying that
Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't? And if not, then why does he test us? Isn't the only reason for anybody or anyone to test anything because they want to see how the results go?

Mengal

Dear "Jinn Martini"
Your query that,
(Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't?Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't? And if not, then why does he test us? Isn't the only reason for anybody or anyone to test anything because they want to see how the results go?
)

Answer is no,absolutely not,
----------
But according to my little knowledge about teachings of Islam, You are the choice and best creation of Allah, He also made you His
vicegerent, gave you knowledge from his own knowledge to rule over this world.And His mercy does not finish this world, He after death also in his eternal wisdom again instead of any other creation chosen to send you in that world (called Hereafter). For success in that world, only one condition set-out that is too is in your reach, either to do good and take Higher reward "Paradise" or do bad and go in "Hellfire", this what is in your own hand,So Passing of this test is in your hand,However Allah Through His own Messengers and through books well inform you and bring this fact in your knowledge that you tomorrow may not say that he had no knowledge of reward(paradise) or Hellfire or was not aware that what were rules and conditions to pass this exam or test?
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#37965 Feb 19, 2013
Those who interested in life of Mohammad as a prophet or other wise come and visit the thread” Qadir mengal Miss understanding islam”An important series about the life of Mohammad(saw) has started, from page 33 of topix this series will go number wise just as 1 (2) 3 … along with mentioning the thread number where the series is located. So as Qadir mengal also (insha Allah) will give you the answers about your questions and Queries about islam on this thread if you questioned him about islam.
Note-Post no, 1,2,3,4,5,6,of this series have come on page 33 of Miss understanding islam, while post number 7,8,9,9-a,and10,11,to 18 have appeared on page no, 34 of this thread i,e miss understanding islam so as post no 19 and 20 and others have appeared on page 35 of this thread kindly follow a head.
Dabang

Kolkata, India

#37966 Feb 19, 2013
IMI apne aath bhai bahno ke sath jama masjid ke paas ek gande muslim muhalle me rehta hai. Din me pacho waqt topiix pe post karta hai lekin namaj nahi padhta hai. Ghar me sirf do kamre hai ek me ammi aur abbu uske ek aur bhai ya bahan ko lane ke intjam kar rahe hai aur dusre kamre me ye apne aath bhai bahan aur ek purane computer ke saath baitha bakchodi karta hai. Iska baap fal bechta hai aur chacha MUQ saudi arab me rahta hai. Do bhai mutton ki dukan chalate hai aur do madarse me jihadi banne ki training le rahe hai. Ek bahan mamu jaan se aur ek chach jaan ke bete se ishq lada rahi hai
Historian

Croydon, UK

#37967 Feb 19, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
Those who interested in life of Mohammad as a prophet or other wise come and visit the thread” Qadir mengal Miss understanding islam”An important series about the life of Mohammad(saw) has started, from page 33 of topix this series will go number wise just as 1 (2) 3 … along with mentioning the thread number where the series is located. So as Qadir mengal also (insha Allah) will give you the answers about your questions and Queries about islam on this thread if you questioned him about islam.
Note-Post no, 1,2,3,4,5,6,of this series have come on page 33 of Miss understanding islam, while post number 7,8,9,9-a,and10,11,to 18 have appeared on page no, 34 of this thread i,e miss understanding islam so as post no 19 and 20 and others have appeared on page 35 of this thread kindly follow a head.
Those who are interested should also view this great documentary, Islam The Untold Story:

Mahmood

Toronto, Canada

#37968 Feb 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You said you do not know Arabic, and all these books are in Arabic?
So you have not read these books, but their English Translations.
And who did the translations? What tricks they played in those Translations?
When you want to lay any allegation, you should have proofs. You are wrong because your "CONCLUSIONS" are exactly opposite to what these Islamic scholars reached.
None of them "Turned their backs on Islam" as you did by reading their books!!
So the "kink" is in you and not them and the main source is that your foundation was not strong.
That is why I want to know about your childhood and how your parents brought you up?
Did they also turned their back on Islam and became Non Muslims or you "did that honor and did your parents and family this honor"?
Open up and tell me more about your early life, may be we can straighten up this kink. If Allah Wills of course.
My parents brought me up as a shia muslim. I turned my back on Islam around 10 years ago. Both my parents died as muslims and buried the Islamic way.

I am not interested in this childish kink thing, maybe I have a kink, allah knows best. I promise you, that I will revert to Islam as soon as you can provide irrefutable evidence that Islam comes to us from a higher power.

This translation issue that you have now brought up, is a lame excuse and does need to be discussed any furhter. Most scholars who have written bios about Mohammad were all very well versed in Arabic.

Maulana Sahib, have you not relaize that you have not answered even one of my questions?

Since: Nov 10

United States

#37969 Feb 19, 2013
Chump Change wrote:
<quoted text>
Did your western education, mannerisms and teach you to think read and write filth in Hindi or was this due to to your ghatia filthy family upbringing?
ROFL!!
Western or Desi education is immaterial when one gets down to talking to dogs, you have to bark at them to intimidate them as they only respect the entity that barks at them louder than they can. Haraamkhor, teri English ka satyanash ho gya na? Badda ghamand tha na tujhe? Thesaurus gai tail lene yaha toe tu badda deadly trike se fansa tha. AN EUNUCH ? LMAO !!!!!!

Since: Nov 10

United States

#37970 Feb 19, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
My parents brought me up as a shia muslim. I turned my back on Islam around 10 years ago. Both my parents died as muslims and buried the Islamic way.
I am not interested in this childish kink thing, maybe I have a kink, allah knows best. I promise you, that I will revert to Islam as soon as you can provide irrefutable evidence that Islam comes to us from a higher power.
This translation issue that you have now brought up, is a lame excuse and does need to be discussed any furhter. Most scholars who have written bios about Mohammad were all very well versed in Arabic.
Maulana Sahib, have you not relaize that you have not answered even one of my questions?
Harami, since you have left Islam then what the fuk are you doing here? On a Pakistani forum and that too on a thread titled on our Paigambar?

Hindu bastard, if the aversion from Islam has made you leave the membership then get as far away as possible and don't you show us your high ground that you are no more our member as you feel different.

The fact is that incomplete guys like you cannot become Muslims as your penis is 3 cms long when erected. Islam membership is for the guys who have the potential to reach minimum of 20cms so that thodda daan kiya ja sake sunnat styled and with the rest of the Lund, we gratify Hindu women. India Today sexual survey confirmed that 8 out of 10 Hindu women have physically or mentally copulated with a Muslim with chiseled lund.

Ask your mom and sissy. islamic lund is all about domination. Now fcuk off and ja ke apni ma ke ooper chaddar daal ---riksha wala chod ke chala gya hei ab tange walla ayega.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37971 Feb 19, 2013
http://dawn.com/2013/02/19/coexistence-with-i...

This article is from DAWN..the paper MOHAMMED ALI JINNAH founded...

Nothing,absolutely nothing,can explain the relationship between Muslim rulers and Hindu subjects as well as this article!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37972 Feb 19, 2013
http://dawn.com/2013/02/19/coexistence-with-i...

DO NOT miss reading this article..some semblance of sanity is returning to Muslim thinking...takes a lot of bombs killings and casualties but some how somewhere SENSE PREVAILS!!!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37973 Feb 19, 2013
All medieval conquerors were basically predators; they lived at the cost of the people they conquered, appropriating their resources, which naturally antagonised the subject people. Muslim rulers, after the first four caliphs, used the Islamic doctrine of Zimmitude generally to their worldly benefit.

Rulers can win their subjects’ respect, even their affection, with their wisdom and justice. After many atrocities and crimes against their Indian subjects the British were able to leave India as almost friends, and no hostility exists today between them and their former subjects because their leaders and people confessed their crimes; they agreed to leave; and they left many gifts of value like modern learning, religious tolerance, systems of governance, constitutional democracy, science and technology.

Unfortunately, unlike the colonial capitalists of Europe, our ancestors had very few benefits to offer to their Zimmis in India which could endear them to their subjects. Added to it was the religious pride of our ulema that believed in the supremacy of Islam and flaunted it without a semblance of courtesy or hesitation. This only antagonised the subject people ever more deeply and necessitated perpetual use of force to maintain Muslim rule. In order to nourish the fighting spirit of the soldiers and common Muslims, ever more pride of faith and ever deeper contempt for reason was injected into their psyche through the ulema and clergy. The principle of equal human treatment of the Muslims and non-Muslims remained alien to their rule.

The absence of positive performance was compensated with boastful pride of the ability to destroy. That is perhaps an inherited attitude when our orators in Pakistan proudly talk of what we destroyed: our ancestors destroyed Indian idols and kings followed by the recent smashing of the peaceful Buddha; recently we destroyed the Soviet Union, we have pushed America to disaster, we shall destroy India, Europe and every system of “Jahiliah”, including our own systems and people in Pakistan and Afghanistan. This mindset hardly ever asks: what did we create or build?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37974 Feb 19, 2013
We, as a nation, have gradually lost all respect for science and scientists; we have substituted research with conspiracy theories; we boast of our nuclear build-up, which is again an ability to destroy, not defend, an ability stolen from heretics without learning the science that creates it. This shortcut mentality, to escape science and invention, is an expression of our lazy, self-righteous pretensions. To bury the guilt, our power hungry ulema expects us to admire a scientist, a nuclear opportunist who admires the Taliban, and hate the real scientists of the world as heretics.

It is, therefore, natural for our people with this mindset to support the monster when it destroys Pakistan and the world with the banner of Islam in its hand. Self-righteousness is the dismissal of humility; it jams our ability to objectively appreciate merit, so that the virtue and merit of others never attracts our attention. Bragging of our own virtue and merit grows louder as our record of performance dips. This dichotomy of practice and pretension paralyses judgment and kills the resolve to make amends.

Ever since Independence, our governments and army leaders propagated the easy excuse that India aspires to annex Pakistan to realise an ancient Hindu dream of “Greater India”. But was this view realistic? Is it an exclusively Hindu dream? The fact is: Muslim rulers and the ulema also desired Greater India. They had endeavored hard for centuries to rule the whole of India; many times in these seven centuries they tried to hold Afghanistan with one hand while holding Bengal with the other. Ever since 1947, our generals and leaders have tried to grab Afghanistan and hold Bengal by force. Our lions and eagles still dream to destroy Bharat and make it a Muslim colony again.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37975 Feb 19, 2013
Thus, it was natural for the ancient people of the subcontinent to dream of a united India even if it was no more possible. Long before the Muslim conquerors, India had Ashoka, Kanishka and Harshwardhana who ruled large parts of India with no less glory than the Muslims did. It was hardly anything abnormal if some nostalgic sons of the soil wished to restore their past glory in their own land, while the majority did not share the dream. Hindus have lived in this land for more than 4000 years with a deep sense of belonging. On the contrary, our Muslim ancestors came 1000 years ago and did not develop a sense of belonging. They did not assimilate or integrate with the people they ruled, keeping their identity as foreigners, with loyalty to the holy lands of Arabia. The British also ruled as foreigners but they did not demand a part of India like we did; they agreed to leave India while we did not, although we declared that we were not Indians. Our self-righteousness so limits our sense of justice that what we practice with great pomp and show, seems hateful to us if others desire it.

Justice and honesty demand that facts be examined before we accept or reject a claim. The facts did not verify the claim that India aspired to annex Pakistan or a part of it. Although a limited right wing of Indian politics threatened to avenge the wrongs of history, yet that mood never dominated India. On the contrary our opinion makers and the ulema on this side of the border kept pushing up on mass level the hype to conquer Kashmir and hoist our flag over the “Red Fort”.

It is difficult in Pakistan to state the fact that India did not annex Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka or another dependent country. It did not annex Bangladesh which achieved its separation from Pakistan purely with Indian Army action. The wars which we claimed as Indian aggression on our eastern border were later exposed as our own initiation. These are facts that embarrass our claims of persecution.
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#37976 Feb 19, 2013
SaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Harami, since you have left Islam then what the fuk are you doing here? On a Pakistani forum and that too on a thread titled on our Paigambar?
Hindu bastard, if the aversion from Islam has made you leave the membership then get as far away as possible and don't you show us your high ground that you are no more our member as you feel different.
The fact is that incomplete guys like you cannot become Muslims as your penis is 3 cms long when erected. Islam membership is for the guys who have the potential to reach minimum of 20cms so that thodda daan kiya ja sake sunnat styled and with the rest of the Lund, we gratify Hindu women. India Today sexual survey confirmed that 8 out of 10 Hindu women have physically or mentally copulated with a Muslim with chiseled lund.
Ask your mom and sissy. islamic lund is all about domination. Now fcuk off and ja ke apni ma ke ooper chaddar daal ---riksha wala chod ke chala gya hei ab tange walla ayega.
How can a twisted she-male lecture learned Mahmood? Discussion forums are not propriety homes of any nation or a faith. Penis sizes do not increase by conversion to any one faith. Last paragraphs sums up sick personality of this pride sake.
Dak-Original

Milton Keynes, UK

#37977 Feb 19, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
http://dawn.com/2013/02/19/coe xistence-with-india-ii/
This article is from DAWN..the paper MOHAMMED ALI JINNAH founded...
Nothing,absolutely nothing,can explain the relationship between Muslim rulers and Hindu subjects as well as this article!
There are few voices but none of the political parties pay any attention to alter education and mind set of the masses.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37978 Feb 19, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
Thus, it was natural for the ancient people of the subcontinent to dream of a united India even if it was no more possible. Long before the Muslim conquerors, India had Ashoka, Kanishka and Harshwardhana who ruled large parts of India with no less glory than the Muslims did. It was hardly anything abnormal if some nostalgic sons of the soil wished to restore their past glory in their own land, while the majority did not share the dream. Hindus have lived in this land for more than 4000 years with a deep sense of belonging. On the contrary, our Muslim ancestors came 1000 years ago and did not develop a sense of belonging. They did not assimilate or integrate with the people they ruled, keeping their identity as foreigners, with loyalty to the holy lands of Arabia. The British also ruled as foreigners but they did not demand a part of India like we did; they agreed to leave India while we did not, although we declared that we were not Indians. Our self-righteousness so limits our sense of justice that what we practice with great pomp and show, seems hateful to us if others desire it.
Justice and honesty demand that facts be examined before we accept or reject a claim. The facts did not verify the claim that India aspired to annex Pakistan or a part of it. Although a limited right wing of Indian politics threatened to avenge the wrongs of history, yet that mood never dominated India. On the contrary our opinion makers and the ulema on this side of the border kept pushing up on mass level the hype to conquer Kashmir and hoist our flag over the “Red Fort”.
It is difficult in Pakistan to state the fact that India did not annex Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka or another dependent country. It did not annex Bangladesh which achieved its separation from Pakistan purely with Indian Army action. The wars which we claimed as Indian aggression on our eastern border were later exposed as our own initiation. These are facts that embarrass our claims of persecution.
amazing write up

but is there an introspection in muslims?

i doubt it

they are TOO TOO brain dead and deluded
Mahmood--

Shanghai, China

#37979 Feb 19, 2013
Randi-putra Randi Chaddi- you claim to be a Hindoo,....then what the fck are you doing here for last so many years ? First answer that....& what do you get in return ? Incessant ramming....

One vcan only conclude that you and your Kattu family just loves ...ramming by Hindoo Lund !

Why ?

Handicap lund mein koi maza nahi haey.....isn't it !
SaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Harami, since you have left Islam then what the fuk are you doing here? On a Pakistani forum and that too on a thread titled on our Paigambar?
Hindu bastard, if the aversion from Islam has made you leave the membership then get as far away as possible and don't you show us your high ground that you are no more our member as you feel different.
The fact is that incomplete guys like you cannot become Muslims as your penis is 3 cms long when erected. Islam membership is for the guys who have the potential to reach minimum of 20cms so that thodda daan kiya ja sake sunnat styled and with the rest of the Lund, we gratify Hindu women. India Today sexual survey confirmed that 8 out of 10 Hindu women have physically or mentally copulated with a Muslim with chiseled lund.
Ask your mom and sissy. islamic lund is all about domination. Now fcuk off and ja ke apni ma ke ooper chaddar daal ---riksha wala chod ke chala gya hei ab tange walla ayega.
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#37980 Feb 19, 2013
SaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Harami, since you have left Islam then what the fuk are you doing here? On a Pakistani forum and that too on a thread titled on our Paigambar?
Hindu bastard, if the aversion from Islam has made you leave the membership then get as far away as possible and don't you show us your high ground that you are no more our member as you feel different.
The fact is that incomplete guys like you cannot become Muslims as your penis is 3 cms long when erected. Islam membership is for the guys who have the potential to reach minimum of 20cms so that thodda daan kiya ja sake sunnat styled and with the rest of the Lund, we gratify Hindu women. India Today sexual survey confirmed that 8 out of 10 Hindu women have physically or mentally copulated with a Muslim with chiseled lund.
Ask your mom and sissy. islamic lund is all about domination. Now fcuk off and ja ke apni ma ke ooper chaddar daal ---riksha wala chod ke chala gya hei ab tange walla ayega.
Nice language, keep it up.
Monique

Ardsley, NY

#37981 Feb 19, 2013
SaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
Western or Desi education is immaterial when one gets down to talking to dogs, you have to bark at them to intimidate them as they only respect the entity that barks at them louder than they can. Haraamkhor, teri English ka satyanash ho gya na? Badda ghamand tha na tujhe? Thesaurus gai tail lene yaha toe tu badda deadly trike se fansa tha. AN EUNUCH ? LMAO !!!!!!
You should stay in your burka baby doll and wait till I come to give you the punishment you always beg for, so pleadingly amorous! Keep the hot scented oils ready for tonite. The whip you love is well oiled and ready. You will love the way you will be dominated tonite. Ohhhhhhhhhh Sally !!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37982 Feb 19, 2013
harminder wrote:
<quoted text>
amazing write up
but is there an introspection in muslims?
i doubt it
they are TOO TOO brain dead and deluded
The writer is probably an EXCEPTION....I don't think the majority thinks even remotely close to this...

but,they can no longer ignore history or the reality of the next door "kaffir" country growing fast..plus,there is a lot of despondency about the killings in Pakistan...

they have hit the bottom...time to finish them..you and me worry about historical wrongs....unless there is a wake up in India-Islam is a threat to secularism and peaceful co existence..nothing much is going to change.

I think guys like Narendra Modi will hard eye ball them but wont lean on them too much..

my 2 cents and my take!

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