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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54739 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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Deedat

Bangalore, India

#37892 Feb 18, 2013
8th Party that contributed to formation of Islam and one of its pillar:

The Sabeans

W. St. Clair-Tisdall (W.St. Clair Tisdal, The Sources of Islam, The Orgins of the Koran, pp.236-237) writes that the Sabeans inhabited Syria. They were the followers of Seth and Idris. Sabeans fasted for 30 days from night to sunrise, observed Eid and prayed for the dead without prostration. MUHAMMAD SIMPLY COPIED THEIR SYSTEM OF FASTING (ONLY CHANGE MADE WAS FASTING FROM DAWN TO DUSK) AND RETAINED THE CELEBRATION OF EID AND THE PRAYER FOR THE DEAD IN EXACTLY THE SAME FASHION AS THE SABEANS.The rules on fasting as prescribed in verses 2:183-187 were adapted from the Holy Scriptures of the Sabeans. IN FACT, THE QUR’AN CONFIRMS ITSELF THAT THE SYSTEM OF FASTING WAS A COPY-CAT FROM OTHER FAITH, BUT REMAINING COY ABOUT WHICH RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURE MUHAMMAD COPIED FROM.
Here is verse 2:183 that says that the Islamic system of fasting is the mimicry of the other faith (Sabeans, of course):

Quran 2.183 O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
The Sabeans possessed a book called ‘Pages of Seth. They observed 7 prayers a day, 5 of which were at the same hours as chosen by Muhammad. They also venerated Ka’ba. Muhammad, learned about the Holy Scripture of the Sabeans from Bahira, the monk and from Salman, the Persian, because both of them had spent a considerable amount of time in Syria and were well aware about the sources, rituals and the religious doctrine of the Sabeans. MUHAMMAD SIMPLY INCORPORATED THOSE IN THE QUR’AN—PASSING THEM AS ALLAH’S DICTUM.

On the Sabeans, the Dictionary of Islam (Hughes Dictionary of Islam, p.551) writes that they worshipped the stars secretly but openly professed to be Christians. Others say that they were of the religion of Sabi, the son of Seth, the son of Adam. Some say they were of the religion of Noah. Their Qiblah was towards the south, from whence the wind blows.

No doubt, after learning about the Sabeans Muhammad was profoundly impressed by their religion and hastened to incorporate some of their rituals in Islam. He regarded them as the true believers of Allah. In fact, the Dictionary Islam (ibid) writes that the Arabs used to call Muhammad as Sabi (and from same word Sahaba/companions and Sahib came)—he who has departed from the religion of the Quraysh. The Qur’an mentions them 3 times in the following verses:

Quran 2.062 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Quran 5.069 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Quran22.017 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.

Note that those verses also contain the Jews, the Christians and the Magians (Zoroastrians).
pakistani muslim

United States

#37893 Feb 18, 2013
bhai jan ap ko shak hai na kai hazrat muhammad saw nai edhar sai ye li thie pr ap sabit kro
warna fast(roza) to jesus pr bhi farz thai r christians pr bhi wo bhi usi khuda ko mante hain jo muhammad saw ka khuda hai r hum sab ka hai
r mushrik kai kahne pr muhammad saw nai chand ko do tukre kaise kr dya
can u give the answer
it iz only miracle f allah
aik mouqa pr pani ki kami thie to allah kai hukam sai un kai hath sai pani nikalna shoro ho gya
can u prove this by modern science
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#37894 Feb 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
The kink is in you, because you are making illogical claims.
When you do not know any Arabic, why you speak 'so authoritatively" on Quran and its contents and that "this verse means this and only this"
Is it not the "kink"? What else.
Any writing and proofs and evidence by Muslim scholars of earliest times do not carry any weight with you....but non coherent biased writings of so called Western Scholars are taken as "Direct revelation" by your mind.
What else is called Kink? My stand is very clear and I do not make twists and turns to prove my claim.
If you do not know Arabic, then Arabic Translation of Human Right declaration is available. Copy it and compare it with Chapter 112 of Quran and any Arabic knowing person would tell you what is what.
You are avoiding to discuss your family background and your early education, are you ashamed of it?
Who were your parents and how they arranged your education in your formative years?
Open up, if you do not want to discuss it on open threads, you can do it on my e-mail on one to one basis.
Do not be shy, I do not know what is your age and how long more you have to live in this world.
Why take a gamble with your life? What is it worth?
Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari, Muslim, Hykal were all muslim scholars and I have read their works. Bare in mind, that anything written about Islam was done approx 200 years after the fact and in some cases even later, as a result, those writings have to be treated with reservation.

Show me a biography of Mohammad written by any of his companions?

Show me a tafsir of the Koran written by any of his companions or relative?

Show me a copy of sura 112 written during the lifetime of Mohammad?

Looking forward to your response.

Since: Jun 11

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37898 Feb 18, 2013
Mumbai’s sex ratio: 722 girls to 1,000 boys

MUMBAI: In a sign that the government's efforts to curb female foeticide may be bearing fruit in the city, Mumbai's sex ratio at birth has inched up in comparison to the previous year. Sex ratio at birth is the number of girls born per 1,000 boys. According to the data compiled by the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC), the sex ratio at birth for 2012 stood at 722 girls per 1,000 males, up from 717 in 2011.

While experts view the increase in female births as a positive sign, it is still way below the national average of 752 girls born per 1,000 males.

A total of 1.8 lakh babies were born in the city in 2012, of whom 92,960 are boys and 75,728 girls. In 2011, of the 1.7 lakh neonates, 87,408 were boys and 70,155 girls.

The BMC's health officials have attributed the improvement to awareness drives and increased action against sonography centres that illegally conduct sex determination tests and abortion of female foetuses. The state government and the BMC launched a renewed campaign against female foeticides following the 2010 Census report, which showed that the average sex ratio at birth had dipped to as low as 683 girls per 1,000 boys.

Government agencies roped in non-governmental organizations and college students to spread the message of gender equality.

Experts said that along with the ongoing government action, mindsets need to undergo a sea change.

Meena Gopal, associate professor at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS), said that though the sex ratio has improved, deep-rooted discrimination against the girl child is still widespread. "The situation will only change if steps are taken at every level to do away with discrimination against the female child. Awareness about laws and education could help," said Gopal.

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Ans.

It definitely indicates rise in homosexuality among Hindus as we can see how two gay Hindus Mr HK and Mr Chump Change are busy in suggestive homosexuality as if there is no tomorrow. Mind you, both have claimed their residence in Mumbai despite of the fact that both are from Bihar and UP respectively.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37899 Feb 18, 2013
HAJI KAJI wrote:
Well friend you have probably not considered - chowkidars, jamadars, mehters of that place ! <quoted text>
hmm yea

pedder road also has those muslim pimps and muslim beggars. They are routinely hammered by residents frequently and handed over to police.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37901 Feb 18, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>.....well......They ,have pretty good Oil...
And,USA has the fracking technology and I have NOT WRITTEN USA OFF!

I am gonna keep my sentences very brief...I dont wanna be called "diarrhoea""):) :):):)

The so called god does silly things...like blessing a place like Arabia with oil and installing Wahabbi thugs to guard it!:):):):)

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37902 Feb 18, 2013
harminder wrote:
<quoted text>
hmm yea
pedder road also has those muslim pimps and muslim beggars. They are routinely hammered by residents frequently and handed over to police.
I think the Israeli Consulate is on Peddar Road,Mumbai right?
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37903 Feb 18, 2013
Most Corrupt man in the world is a muslim and a Saudi:

Most corrupt rulers are the saudis:

"The Saud family regard Saudi Arabia as a family business The sheer effrontery is breathtaking of a prince who will keep on talking about rights and wrongs, when you know (and he probably knows you know) that his cut may be 20% of the contract price."

The world of arms sales in Saudi Arabia was, is , "crooked":

"The question of corruption is obviously crucial ... the 'system' is at best an infernal nuisance, and it is potentially explosive - a time bomb under the regime "

It is a jungle(saudi arabia) inhabited by beasts of prey in which one must move with caution and uncertainty. The magnates are (justifiably) suspicious of one another and their agents."
Prince BANDAR BIN Sultan he recorded, "has, of course, a corrupt interest in all contracts".

Conservative defence secretary, Ian Gilmour (UK) admitted it. "You either got the business and bribed," he said, "or you didn't bribe and didn't get the business."

Many senior Saudi figures had to be paid off. The Labour government's new, young foreign secretary, David Owen, was educated about that in a frank dispatch:

"To secure a contract, a company must secure the support not merely of a senior prince, often through an established agent through whom very substantial commissions have to be paid; but also of many ministers and officials down the line." [document]

High-ranking Saudis took good care to keep these pay-offs secret from their people [article]. Intermediaries or relatives were often used. Sultan's youngest brother, Prince Ahmad, was, according to the embassy, an agent for BAE [profile].

Yet it was a commoner, the stout and moustachioed Adnan Khashoggi [biography], who boasted he had become the world's richest man as an agent. Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence, Kamal Adham, observed:

"A man like Khashoggi had obvious advantages to the princes since ... he could be disowned at any time without a family scandal. Such was not the case with people like Prince Ahmad." [document]

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#37904 Feb 18, 2013
Well Chaddi , as a Kattu your midset is only and greatly influenced by Mohammad’s behavior. It reminds me-

1) Once in Independence Day Celebration in a School cute children were performing a dance drama on Nehru and as soon as they sang “…….chacha Nehru noo bachchey bardey hein pyarey….” There was a commotion in Muslim quarters……I went there slapped MUQ and Chaddi among them and asked “ What’s the trouble bubble..?”

MUQ & Chaddi : Our prophet loved only one child –Ayasha- and you call her pedophile ……Your Nehru loves hordes of children and you call him Hero ? Nahi …chalega…Allah hou Akbar….Nehru was orgy pedophile….!

2) Watching a Manoj Kumar Movie…Chaddi and MUQ were up in arms claiming Manoj Bhai is gay…..and censor should ban his movie ….as gay-giri is against the tenets of Islam !
Why they thought so ?

Ooops…because they found Manoj Kumar singing I that movie ‘……..Bas ehi ek bhool haar baar karta hoon , Admi hoon Admi sE pyar karta hoon……..!’
MUQ - wrote:
Mumbai’s sex ratio: 722 girls to 1,000 boys
MUMBAI: In a sign that the government's efforts to curb female foeticide may be bearing fruit in the city, Mumbai's sex ratio at birth has inched up in comparison to the previous year. Sex ratio at birth is the number of girls born per 1,000 boys. According to the data compiled by the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation (BMC), the sex ratio at birth for 2012 stood at 722 girls per 1,000 males, up from 717 in 2011.
While experts view the increase in female births as a positive sign, it is still way below the national average of 752 girls born per 1,000 males.
A total of 1.8 lakh babies were born in the city in 2012, of whom 92,960 are boys and 75,728 girls. In 2011, of the 1.7 lakh neonates, 87,408 were boys and 70,155 girls.
The BMC's health officials have attributed the improvement to awareness drives and increased action against sonography centres that illegally conduct sex determination tests and abortion of female foetuses. The state government and the BMC launched a renewed campaign against female foeticides following the 2010 Census report, which showed that the average sex ratio at birth had dipped to as low as 683 girls per 1,000 boys.
Government agencies roped in non-governmental organizations and college students to spread the message of gender equality.
Experts said that along with the ongoing government action, mindsets need to undergo a sea change.
Meena Gopal, associate professor at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS), said that though the sex ratio has improved, deep-rooted discrimination against the girl child is still widespread. "The situation will only change if steps are taken at every level to do away with discrimination against the female child. Awareness about laws and education could help," said Gopal.
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Ans.
It definitely indicates rise in homosexuality among Hindus as we can see how two gay Hindus Mr HK and Mr Chump Change are busy in suggestive homosexuality as if there is no tomorrow. Mind you, both have claimed their residence in Mumbai despite of the fact that both are from Bihar and UP respectively.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37905 Feb 18, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>.....well......They ,have pretty good Oil...
We have our own
Chump Change

Chalfont, PA

#37906 Feb 18, 2013
steadyfreind wrote:
<quoted text>
Superb post. Mandir-Bazi ....LMAO - Suits these lads aptly.
Pathetic masturbation at its nest! Koi na mile to akele main gaana aur mooth maarna !!! Teri kya halat kar di hai idhar. Tauba tauba!
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37907 Feb 18, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the Israeli Consulate is on Peddar Road,Mumbai right?
the italian consulate is in kanchenjunga at pedder road

they will never ever establish a consul office even if the building has a single muslim resident

the israeli consulate is at nariman point in a building called earnest house.behind the trident (oberoi) hotel
Chump Change

Chalfont, PA

#37908 Feb 18, 2013
lMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is Dragnet kept out of harms way? Why? It is simply because you have no chance of coming face to face and winning a duel. Not even with your clones but then there you have a deniability that it was not you but your clone and your clone is stupid as he has a mind of his own. LOL !
BoseDK, this is the advantage west has over you all. In west, they make us razor sharp and give us the edge to slice unwanted weed like you as and when we need to. But, you are rotting in India and shall perish not knowing the heavenly experiences we live amongst.
Destroyer predicted long ago about your fate as Dragnet52 so you were worried shit and hiding his ID behind clones as he would only make a cameo appearance and then do a vanishing act. You popped up a desi angrez in Tom who has fallen flat on his face with his denture in your mouth ! LOL !
Idiot extraordinaire,
We're you born in the west, raised in the west?
You reside here in the East and claim achievement of the west as if you have contributed to those. Lets hear of a single western achievement of yours. NONE! Lets hear about your Western education. NONE! Yes Chump Change has dared you and you will be proven a fake again. Care to take me up on it? Come on boy lets hear your accomplishments. It's a dare. Don't be a wimp. Filthy Muslim bhangi list out your accomplishments. A failure like you has NONE!
Chumped and Chillared !!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#37910 Feb 18, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Allah only wanted Arabs to have Islam .
You have proven it cannot be translated
In fact "No book written in one language can be properly translated in another language"

You can convey the thoughts but not the beauty, the lyrics and the sweetness of original composition in the translation. It is almost impossible.

The same is with Quran, we can translate it into another language to know some of its meanings, but no translation can take the place of Original Quran.

Translations are not to be recited in daily prayers, they are learning aids and not the scriptures.

Translations are done by humans, they go out of touch and they get old fashioned , But Quran stays pure and fine, untouched , revelation from All Mighty Allah.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37911 Feb 18, 2013
harminder wrote:
<quoted text>
the italian consulate is in kanchenjunga at pedder road
they will never ever establish a consul office even if the building has a single muslim resident
the israeli consulate is at nariman point in a building called earnest house.behind the trident (oberoi) hotel
Oh ok...I remember visiting the Israeli consulate..with a police guard and they talk to you from behind armored doors through a loudspeaker and tv camera..been a long time since I was in Bombay!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37912 Feb 18, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari, Muslim, Hykal were all muslim scholars and I have read their works. Bare in mind, that anything written about Islam was done approx 200 years after the fact and in some cases even later, as a result, those writings have to be treated with reservation.
Show me a biography of Mohammad written by any of his companions?
Show me a tafsir of the Koran written by any of his companions or relative?
Show me a copy of sura 112 written during the lifetime of Mohammad?
Looking forward to your response.
You said you do not know Arabic, and all these books are in Arabic?

So you have not read these books, but their English Translations.

And who did the translations? What tricks they played in those Translations?

When you want to lay any allegation, you should have proofs. You are wrong because your "CONCLUSIONS" are exactly opposite to what these Islamic scholars reached.

None of them "Turned their backs on Islam" as you did by reading their books!!

So the "kink" is in you and not them and the main source is that your foundation was not strong.

That is why I want to know about your childhood and how your parents brought you up?

Did they also turned their back on Islam and became Non Muslims or you "did that honor and did your parents and family this honor"?

Open up and tell me more about your early life, may be we can straighten up this kink. If Allah Wills of course.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#37913 Feb 18, 2013
Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum,(THE SEALED NECTAR, Biography of the Noble Prophet [pbuh], by SAFI UL RAHMAN al-Mubarakpuri
Jamia Salafia - India Translated by Issam Diab Maktaba Dar-us-Salam Publishers and Distributors, Part- 69
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_t...

The Battle of Uhud (Contd.)

Burial of the Martyrs

The Messenger of Allah [pbuh] supervised the martyrs’ burial and said: "I bear witness that anyone who is wounded in the way of Allah, Allah will resurrect him with his wound bleeding a liquid which is blood-like in colour but musk-like in scent." [Ibn Hisham 2/98]

Some of the Companions carried their men killed in the war to Madinah, but the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] ordered that they should be sent back in order to be buried where they were killed. He ordered that they should not be washed but buried as they were after stripping them off their armours and leather clothes. He used to bury every two or three martyrs together in one grave and even join two men in one garment while saying:

"Who is the more learned of the Quran?" and he would commit him to earth first. He would say: "I bear witness to those on the Day of Resurrection." He buried both ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr bin Haram and ‘Amr bin Al-Jamuh in one grave due to the affection they used to possess to each other.[Za'd Al-Ma'ad 2/98; Sahih Al-Bukhari 2/584]

When the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] saw how his uncle and foster brother, Hamzah, was mutilated, he was extremely grieved. When his aunt Safiyah came to see her brother Hamzah, the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] ordered her son Az-Zubair to dismiss her in order not to see what happened to her brother.

She refused and said, "But why should I go away. I have been informed that they have mutilated him. But so long as it is in the way of Allah, whatever happens to him satisfies us. I say: Allah is Sufficient and I will be patient if Allah wills." She approached, looked at him and supplicated Allah for him and said: "To Allah we all belong and to Him we will verily return." and she implored Allah to forgive him. Then the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] ordered that he should be buried with ‘Abdullah bin Jahsh — who was his nephew as well as his foster brother…

After committing all the martyrs to earth, and after offering praise and supplication to Allah, the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] went back to Madinah….

In the evening of that day — i.e. Saturday, the seventh of Shawwal, 3rd year A.H.— the Messenger arrived in Madinah. As soon as he reached his house, he handed his sword to his daughter Fatimah and said: "O daughter, wash the blood off this sword. By Allah it has been helpful to me today."

‘Ali bin Abi Talib handed her his sword and said: "And wash the blood of this sword too. By Allah, it has been helpful to me today." So the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] said: "Sahl bin Haneef and Abu Dujana have been as courageous as you are in the fight." [Ibn Hisham 2/100]

Most of the narrations confirmed that seventy Muslims were killed and most of them, sixty-five, Helpers; forty-one of whom were from Khazraj and twenty-four from Aws. This, besides one Jew and four Emigrants.

As for the polytheists, twenty-two of them were killed, but some versions speak of thirty-seven; after all, Allah knows best.[Ibn Hisham 2/122-129; Fath Al-Bari 7/351]

(Abridged
Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37914 Feb 18, 2013
Some points regarding AYAT AL KURSI (The Verse of Throne) Ch-2 V 255 Part-3

Third Attribute: No Sleep , No Slumber

LA TA’KHUDHU SINATUN WALA NAUM (No Slumber can seize him, nor sleep)

18. In this part two more attributes of Allah are mentioned, which are unique to him and no other candidate of divinity can pass these two tests.

Let us analyze these two Attributes of Allah.

A. No Sleep can seize Him:

19. What is sleep? It is a condition which EVERY living thing on this planet and elsewhere has to face. We know every living thing on earth (including plants, animals and humans) need this sleep.

What is sleep, I doubt if any one can explain it fully, but it is a condition in which one looses all contact with the living world and goes into “standby mode”.

20. They are not aware of their surroundings and this period is used for “internal repairs” and “storage and segregation of data gathered during the period of awareness”.

Whatever might be the explanation and purpose of Sleep, seeing in Absolute terms, it is a sort of weakness. Because when some one is sleeping. He is not aware of his surroundings. During the period of sleep, any thing could happen to him.

21. So, Allah is the one who Never Sleeps, He is always awake and always Alert. This attribute is hidden in AL QAYYUM, but Allah mentions it separately so as to distinguish Himself from any would be “pretender”

B. What Sleep, No Slumber can seize him:

22. Slumber is the stage between awareness and sleep, It is half way into sleep. There is some amount of awareness and some of sleep. Sort of partial sleep.

23. During period of slumber, people might leave some contact with the living world and be in half waking condition, it is also a sort of weakness.

That is why Allah says that He is free from Sleeping and even Slumber.

24. Negation of sleep and Slumber then extends to Freedom of Allah from every weakness and defects which we see in humans and any other living thing in this Universe.

So all these human gods and gods in human form, no one can match these Unique Attributes of Allah

(Contd.)
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37915 Feb 18, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh ok...I remember visiting the Israeli consulate..with a police guard and they talk to you from behind armored doors through a loudspeaker and tv camera..been a long time since I was in Bombay!
i too went there once for a visa.

visited the golan heights.

amazing experience
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#37916 Feb 18, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
So,if a person knows more of the history of Islam you then will ignore them ?
If by "More" you mean "experts" like Mr. Mahmood and Mr. Deedat and other "pretenders" , then yes.

But if by "more" you mean Real Islamic Scholars that have more knowledge than me, I would like to hear from them and learn from them and quote them in my posts.

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