No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

[number four]

MUQ wrote:

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There have been "many predictions" before about the demise of islam. This latest one is also one of them.
The beauty of Islam is that there is nothing hidden in it. Every thing about it is open and in full light.
No one has "exclusive right" to interpret it, there are no official spokesperson , nothing like that.
There are no strange dogmas (like this Trinity and some one dieing for your sins, which cannot be explained reasonably), so it appeals to hearts and minds at the same time.
We are not afraid of Internet, you see people here making lot of abuses and insults and claims, but when they are asked for a proper debate and discussion, they all chicken out.
Look at this Mahmood and his delaying tactics on this simple and short Quranic Surah.
In any fair Analysis, islam will hold its side, because it is the Truth and Truth has special power of its own.
What has happened in this age of Internet is that "everyone" has become an Expert on Islam and can say or claim whatever comes tot heir mind.
But all this Non Scholarship will go away with time and people shall talk and listen to reason.
That is why Islam will continue to grow (I think at a faster rate) in this Information age.
Allah Knows best

A) You claim Islam has nothing to hide ,yet when a fellow Muslim has difficultly w/ your replies ...it's off to "secret e-mails" ..

B) Yes , no one is here to properly debate ...I understand "Observer" and "mahmood" , say that of you ..
B2) "mahmood"s answer to Sura 112 ..."Self-proclamation of greatness is never valid "....was a good answer ..(have you read any of "lMl2000" )?

C) I'm surprised that you would celebrate the fact that Islam has no central authority ...(We believe a mark of the true faith would be ,that "it" would be united .)

[Snarling Chingis Khan]

Time for a historical movie set in Aurangazeb's times.

Bloodthirsty.Cruel.Tormentor of Hindus.Destruction of temples.

The whole story of uneasy relationship between the Muslim rulers and Hindu subjects.

With gripping screenplay,acting and breath taking sets showing off the torment and misery Hindus underwent...

The movie should be shot in France where it is highly unlikely that meddlesome politicians will thwart it.

Must be screened on the You Tube and CD's sold the world over!

Time to suffocate Islam!!!!!!

[number four]

Dak-Original wrote:

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chuy, I am no atheist but I know many and none of them despise GOD. However, most of them just the notion of GOD! GOD is still a belief and so are religions. However, in my belief GOD can can represent all things known and unknown to us. Science has then been unravelling GOD's secrets slowly.

...I don't subscribe to the belief that Science and Religion are diametrically opposed ..

Science has a long way to go ..They can not even explain electricity or gravity ...

Actually, I have to tip my hat to "mahmood" and "Snarling Chingis Khan" .....for Atheists , they appear to have no problem with God ...

[Snarling Chingis Khan]

number four wrote:

<quoted text>..."not" amazing ...the Author is just pretty good with humor ...such as a depressed robot ,and other silly ideas ...

Thanks...must read it..love humor.

Particularly after tangling with these Muslim-Mujhaideen types who go snarling snapping and killing using god as an excuse!!!!:):):)

[number four]

Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:

Time for a historical movie set in Aurangazeb's times.
Bloodthirsty.Cruel.Tormentor of Hindus.Destruction of temples.
The whole story of uneasy relationship between the Muslim rulers and Hindu subjects.
With gripping screenplay,acting and breath taking sets showing off the torment and misery Hindus underwent...
The movie should be shot in France where it is highly unlikely that meddlesome politicians will thwart it.
Must be screened on the You Tube and CD's sold the world over!
Time to suffocate Islam!!!!!!

...Sacre Bleu..!!..don't we have enough problems for "today" ...why, rehash the past ..??..(those people are dead ..)

[Snarling Chingis Khan]

number four wrote:

<quoted text>...I don't subscribe to the belief that Science and Religion are diametrically opposed ..
Science has a long way to go ..They can not even explain electricity or gravity ...
Actually, I have to tip my hat to "mahmood" and "Snarling Chingis Khan" .....for Atheists , they appear to have no problem with God ...

Thank you...you are welcome to god..as much as you want!

Pontius Pilate's cross,Bedouin hoodlums' thuggery and all the fauna and flora of India have minted different religions....gives a great insight into what human mind craves for and is stupid about!!!!

I attended a strict Hindu upper caste run school...had to appreciate that the self discipline I learnt there did,very much give me a head start in life!!!:):):)

[Snarling Chingis Khan]

number four wrote:

<quoted text>...Sacre Bleu..!!..don't we have enough problems for "today" ...why, rehash the past ..??..(those people are dead ..)

Put Islam on back foot...help USA to sound moral and end war in Afghanistan on a high note!!!?!?!?!?

[number four]

Mahmood wrote:

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I doubt if Moses ever existed.

..."You shouldn't" ...The Jews are pretty anal , a boot their genealogy ...

[number four]

Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:

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Put Islam on back foot...help USA to sound moral and end war in Afghanistan on a high note!!!?!?!?!?

...By using propaganda ....??...I think that will only turn peoples stomachs (infuriate)..

[number four]

Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:

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Thank you...you are welcome to god..as much as you want!
Pontius Pilate's cross,Bedouin hoodlums' thuggery and all the fauna and flora of India have minted different religions....gives a great insight into what human mind craves for and is stupid about!!!!
I attended a strict Hindu upper caste run school...had to appreciate that the self discipline I learnt there did,very much give me a head start in life!!!:):):)

.."Snarling Chingis Khan " ....Have you "never" been misunderstood ..???...Well.....How do you think God ..feels..?

[Neville Thompson]

Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:

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Heard it is an amazing book.
Have not read it though!
What is in it?

Try and get a CD and watch it ,especially the start where some intergalactic contractor wants to remove the planet earth because it is in the way of space travellers zipping across the galaxy.
These same contractors build planets from scratch and provide all the necessities of its existance.

[number four]

MUQ wrote:

How Others Worship “One” God?
Hindus and Christians and others also say that they worship One God, but Christian’ one God has become Three Persons (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, co-equal, co-eternal, co-powerful (whatever it means!!))
Hindus have inserted their Triology (BRAHMA, VISHNU, MAHESH, with their consorts thrown for some “special effects!!) into this One ISHVAR concept.

..Modern Psychology asserts , that the personality is divided into the ..(Id)..(Ego)..(Superego)..

If God did indeed create "us" in His image (as scripture professes )....then, we can argue Hindus and Christians have a much better grasp on the nature of One God , than do the Muslims ...

[number four]

lMl2000 wrote:

India has still life left in her as long as there are men like MUQ in India. He is almost perfect example of a decent citizen. I am sure if Hinduism didn't exist in India, his kind would have made India in to a stable decent nation of the world community. Saudi Arabia is lucky to have him.

..Oh "lMl2000" ...."MUQ" is "not" Saudi Arabian ....he does not participate in the kind of sex you have in mind ....

[number four]

Neville Thompson wrote:

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Try and get a CD and watch it ,especially the start where some intergalactic contractor wants to remove the planet earth because it is in the way of space travellers zipping across the galaxy.
These same contractors build planets from scratch and provide all the necessities of its existance.

..NEIN...!!!...If you're going to get a DVD,..."District 9" ..2009..

[Barry Bali]

There is no god but allah, and mohammed is his prophet.
Only the first four words of the above are true.

[MUQ]

Mahmood wrote:

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Dear Maulana Sahib,
Ar Razi was right, the Koran is a useless piece of literature. There is nothing in it that is worth memorizing or advice worth heeding. Having said that, its about time that you responded to my questions. 1) I asked you to show me a manuscript of sura Baqarah written during the lifetime of Mohammad. 2) Show me a verse from the Koran as congenial as Article 18 of the charter of human rights?
Looking forward to your response.

There is saying in Hindi

NAACH NA JANE AAAGAN TERAH!!

Same could be said for you and that friend of yours Razi

Unable to bring any thing like it, you will "have" to say, it is useless.

By the what Great revolution was brought by those Shakespearian Dramas?

[MUQ]

Another response to my Al IKHLAS post part-1:

Comments on Part-1 and Part-2 of Surah IKHLAS received from the readers.

I expected some more response from the readers on my initial parts, but I have received only these two posts. So I provide my response to these:

1. NT:

“If the words do not translate in English all that well, they then should always remain in Arabic, In the lands of the Arabs and not spread all over the world where the words can mean something quite opposite to what they mean.”

MUQ: You misunderstood my intention. I said that no Single English word can fully convey the meanings of Arabic words used in Quran. That means one must not discard the Arabic words after English translation is done.

Quran and its importance must always be retained, that is why No Translation can take the place of Arabic Quran.

People should recite Quran in Arabic and then try to learn its meanings in their language. But they must never get dogmatic about the translations and start debate that “what they got” is the “Ultimate meaning” of these Quranic verses.

2. Clementina:

WRONG!!!!!!

1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 IN PURE MATHEMATICAL TERMS IS NOT = 1 !!!

MORON MUQ AND MUSLIM MATH !!!!
ROFL!!!

You have passed the test of a Muslim dimwit !!!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

MUQ: So you want to live in the world of “Pure Mathematics”. Make your choice. Eh, Eh, Eh.

2. Yaudheya:

Contribution of Islam in the field of Mathematics

MUQ: Thank you for recognizing that Muslims have “some” contribution in the field of Mathematics.

Earlier you said it was ZERO.

Thank you!!

NT

I understood you intention but I sought to explain the difference in language right across the planet, especially in South East Asia where they as you have spoken of here on Topix don't follow the true path of Islam but seek Arab finances instead, under the guise of being Muslim.

Each country have their own mannerisms that unintentionally corrupt the original verse as described in the Quran so the true messages you think are being conveyed aren't arriving as hoped they would because they don't have the Arab mannerism within them.

MUQ:

You are trying to confuse the issue. I did not say anything bad about any language.

Since Quran is in Arabic, it is the Arabic Quran which is standard, of course every one tries to understand Quran in their own language thru translations, but no translation can take the place of Arabic Quran.

That is why every Muslim, irrespective of where he or she lives, recites Quran in Arabic language. You can go and attend prayers anywhere in any mosque on any part of the globe and you will se Muslims praying in the same manner.

I have not seen this thing for any other Scripture in the world.

[MUQ]

Some Highlights of Quranic Chapter 112, Surah IKHLAS

Part-4



H. Conclusion:

23. Here was somewhat detailed translation and commentary of this Short and Unique Quranic Chapter. But it is only a “Layman’ standard”.

What deep rooted meanings would be obvious to learned Islamic Scholars, I cannot say.

24. Chapter 112 is unique for the personality of Allah as Verse of Throne Ch-2 V 255 is for the Attributes of Allah.

These two constitute the Pillars of Absolute Unity of Allah and remove all misconceptions.

25. Can humans match this Quranic effort? Let them try, so far in 1400 years no one has dared equal anything even remotely like Chapter 112.

26. And this “Dumb Person” says that he could not get any meaning from this ruff, raff rendering of Quranic verses.

J. Let us put some one to test:

27. Who else, let us put Jesus to the test and see what marks he scores:

a. First Verse: The test of AHAD? What is Jesus’ score? FAIL.

b. Second Verse: The Test of AL SAMAD: What is Jesus’ score? FAIL

c. Third Verse: The Test of Unborn: What is Jesus’ score? Fail

4. Fourth Verse: The Test of KUFU: What is Jesus’ score? FAIL.

So Jesus fails in all four tests of this Touchstone of Monotheism. And he cannot be accepted as God or an object of worship.

The same score we will get if we put any known personality who are worshipped as gods or gods in human form (Like Ram, Krishna, Buddha, BRAHMA, VISHNU, MAHESH etc.), none of them can stand the test of Chapter 112 of Quran.

And they say that a person or a committee of person wrote this beautiful Quranic Chapter, so rich in meaning and so vast in its interpretation. It is beyond the scope of any human.

That is why I ask any one who says that Quran was written by prophet, to improve upon it and bring something like it or better than it.

Can any Muslim who knows Surah IKHLAS by heart, would be mislead by such “ambiguous statements”

d. Who has seen me, seen the Father?

e. I and father are one?

f. God so loved the world that He sent His Only Begotten Son….

g. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God?

Never, ever, ever, ever!!

Allah Knows the Best.

(Contd.)

[HAJI KAJI]

All religious books are reflection of social science of relevant group of people. Like any other science , the theory and practice need constant evolution.

When you look at Hindooism- Vedas, Vedantas, Upnishads, Itihasa (Ramayan, Mahabharat etc.), Puranas.......and so on , Oh.....you can make a building by using these books a bricks...

In case of Islam ? Oh....fkcrs have one Chausath Panni only written by some Mastram ..and after 1000 years MUQ is still deciphering the meaning of it !

[Mahmood]

MUQ wrote:

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There is saying in Hindi
NAACH NA JANE AAAGAN TERAH!!
Same could be said for you and that friend of yours Razi
Unable to bring any thing like it, you will "have" to say, it is useless.
By the what Great revolution was brought by those Shakespearian Dramas?

Dear Maulana Sahib,

I understand quite a bit of Urdu and some Hindi. Shakespear was a writer of fiction and had no intention of causing a revolution. Now can you please answer the two questions I asked? You are intentionally avoiding them because you have no answers. You are one of those believers by default who is mezmerized by the Arabs. This inferiority complex is quite common among the Mohammadi religious factions of the sub-continent.

Now coming to your sura 49, it happens to be another bunch of oxymoronic edicts found in the Koran where Mohammad's alter ego aka Allah, plays the role of a press secretary and some. It tells gullible Mohammadis such as yourself not make decisions but just follow ie do not question, just follow. Then his press secretary also tells his followers to not raise their voices in front of Holy Mo, becuase Mo is the boss you see. And if you lower your voice, you earn brownie points.

Verses of Sura 49 reminds me of another verse where allah plays the role as a spokesperson for Mohammad Abdullah (peace be upon him)- 33:53 where allah tells people not to come Mohammad Abdullah's house unless invited for a meal, and after they eat, they should get the hell out & talk to his wives from behind the curtain.

In conclusion, Allah (ancient pagan deity) is basically a spokesperson for Mohammad Abdullah and his altered ego.

I look forward to your response & I need you to anwer my two questions.