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No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

There are 54737 comments on the Daily Times story from Jan 11, 2011, titled No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf. In it, Daily Times reports that:

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ...

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“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37354 Feb 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Another response to my Al IKHLAS post part-1:
Comments on Part-1 and Part-2 of Surah IKHLAS received from the readers.
I expected some more response from the readers on my initial parts, but I have received only these two posts. So I provide my response to these:
1. NT:
“If the words do not translate in English all that well, they then should always remain in Arabic, In the lands of the Arabs and not spread all over the world where the words can mean something quite opposite to what they mean.”
MUQ: You misunderstood my intention. I said that no Single English word can fully convey the meanings of Arabic words used in Quran. That means one must not discard the Arabic words after English translation is done.
Quran and its importance must always be retained, that is why No Translation can take the place of Arabic Quran.
People should recite Quran in Arabic and then try to learn its meanings in their language. But they must never get dogmatic about the translations and start debate that “what they got” is the “Ultimate meaning” of these Quranic verses.
2. Clementina:
WRONG!!!!!!
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 IN PURE MATHEMATICAL TERMS IS NOT = 1 !!!
MORON MUQ AND MUSLIM MATH !!!!
ROFL!!!
You have passed the test of a Muslim dimwit !!!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
MUQ: So you want to live in the world of “Pure Mathematics”. Make your choice. Eh, Eh, Eh.
2. Yaudheya:
Contribution of Islam in the field of Mathematics
MUQ: Thank you for recognizing that Muslims have “some” contribution in the field of Mathematics.
Earlier you said it was ZERO.
Thank you!!
NT
I understood you intention but I sought to explain the difference in language right across the planet, especially in South East Asia where they as you have spoken of here on Topix don't follow the true path of Islam but seek Arab finances instead, under the guise of being Muslim.
Each country have their own mannerisms that unintentionally corrupt the original verse as described in the Quran so the true messages you think are being conveyed aren't arriving as hoped they would because they don't have the Arab mannerism within them.
MUQ:
You are trying to confuse the issue. I did not say anything bad about any language.
Since Quran is in Arabic, it is the Arabic Quran which is standard, of course every one tries to understand Quran in their own language thru translations, but no translation can take the place of Arabic Quran.
That is why every Muslim, irrespective of where he or she lives, recites Quran in Arabic language. You can go and attend prayers anywhere in any mosque on any part of the globe and you will se Muslims praying in the same manner.
I have not seen this thing for any other Scripture in the world.
Reading words on paper is different to feeling the words of their description as they explain their purpose in description of the subject.
The only true Muslims are the Arabs who have the same accent as Muhhumud which is half that of thought that that went into the Quran.

That question I asked you of Muhhumuds poisoning ,could you please provide Islam version of events that killed your prophet and were who were deemed responsibe and after the separation of Muslims were they deemed to be Shi'ites ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37355 Feb 11, 2013
Hello MUQ ,where in the world is what you describe of Islam to us.
Your pure version of events ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37356 Feb 11, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..yeah, it's called "Asperger's syndrome "
What are you symptoms ?
Chump Change

Ardsley, NY

#37357 Feb 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
In my view the whole idea of Mercy Plea is against the Justice system.
Once the Supreme Court has withheld the Death Penalty, why should the president have power to change it?
No one said that KASSAB' rejection had "something black at the bottom".
It is evident that AFZAL' GURU's rejection had "something black at the bottom" because a "Political party" was making it an election agenda "Why the hanging is delayed"?
In a Normal Criminal case, this is a strange behaviour and the time Govt. took to decide was strange? Why to wait if the "Mastermind of attack on Indian Parliament" should be hanged when Supreme Court has already decided?
The "reality" is that this is the only case of awarding death punishment, where there is no "hard evidence" of his being involved in the crime. The evidence is very flimsy and there never was an eye witness.
How it was in the "rarest of the rare case" is beyond my understanding.
I am not taking this as a Hindu versus Muslim issue.
And the Indians are asking Pakistan not to hang Sarabjit Singh which is convicted by the Supreme Court of Pakistan for spying against their nation.
Now THEY are making it as a Hindu versus Muslim issue, not me.
The President has the Constitutional power to override a death penalty imposed by the Supreme Court by granting a mercy plea. Conversely the President also has the power to reject any mercy plea and allow the death penalty to be carried out as imposed. MUQ, it's really THAT simple, really!!!
Dead brain Muslims like you can never have "enough" proof and will ALWAYS attempt to make it a Hindu-Muslim issue instead of an India issue. You speak with a trained, brain washed forked tongue when you say "Now THEY are making it as a Hindu versus Muslim issue, not me." Strangely for Muslims its always THEY but never US or WE Muslims.
Kasab and Guru, the scourge of humanity, the vilest of filthy Muslims got what they deserved. Moreover, isn't it the goal of every Muslim to die in the name of Allah? You Muslims want to die and we want you to get to your destination expeditiously! Doesn't that sounds like a good arrangement to you MUQ?
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#37358 Feb 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you symptoms ?
..bloating ..irritability ..headache ..mood swings ....(Oh..WAIT..!!)..I think I have P.M.S ........HOW, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE .....???
YOU-DESERVE-IT

Croydon, UK

#37360 Feb 11, 2013
Dak wrote:
<quoted text>
Sarabjit must be hanged asap by pakistan
PAKIs are such a corrupt people.
DRONE STRIKE ZINDABAD

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37361 Feb 11, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..bloating ..irritability ..headache ..mood swings ....(Oh..WAIT..!!)..I think I have P.M.S ........HOW, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE .....???
With all that you would be a Doctors cash cow
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#37362 Feb 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
With all that you would be a Doctors cash cow
..Why, did you have to bring my weight into it ...(is it because, I called you a koala bear )??

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#37363 Feb 11, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..Why, did you have to bring my weight into it ...(is it because, I called you a koala bear )??
Doctors love people who have multiple symptons,it gives them so much financial reward

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#37364 Feb 11, 2013
Hey guy......what fkck authority d'ya have to ask these questions ? Are you and expert in Indian Law and jurisdiction (the question you usually ask for other's comment )? Forget about LLB , you don't seem to be a proper graduate even ! Otherwise revert ...bravely phuddu budhdha !

Why don't you answer questions raised against Qur'an only ? Gaand phat-ti haey muft-khora ?

You need to be flogged in public everyday morning. And you needa figure out at least four guys who will carry ur bier in the end, at ur age,.......Chaddi carrying you fkcng muft-khora fatso's bier alone will be a the biggest comedy in Hollywood history ....stumbling, staggering, cursing Astrix (Chaddi- without magic potion)carrying Oblix's bier !



MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
In my view the whole idea of Mercy Plea is against the Justice system.
Once the Supreme Court has withheld the Death Penalty, why should the president have power to change it?
No one said that KASSAB' rejection had "something black at the bottom".
It is evident that AFZAL' GURU's rejection had "something black at the bottom" because a "Political party" was making it an election agenda "Why the hanging is delayed"?
In a Normal Criminal case, this is a strange behaviour and the time Govt. took to decide was strange? Why to wait if the "Mastermind of attack on Indian Parliament" should be hanged when Supreme Court has already decided?
The "reality" is that this is the only case of awarding death punishment, where there is no "hard evidence" of his being involved in the crime. The evidence is very flimsy and there never was an eye witness.
How it was in the "rarest of the rare case" is beyond my understanding.
I am not taking this as a Hindu versus Muslim issue.
And the Indians are asking Pakistan not to hang Sarabjit Singh which is convicted by the Supreme Court of Pakistan for spying against their nation.
Now THEY are making it as a Hindu versus Muslim issue, not me.
Mahmood

Toronto, Canada

#37365 Feb 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again trying to divert the issue, are you?
First let us finish about Chapter 112.
It was you who was referring to Shakespeare whenever I asked to bring any thing like Quran.
Is Quran only a book of Arabic literature or poetry?
Look at this chapter 112? What does it looks like to you.
In four short verses which are so easy to memorize, one would far ever be cured of "sickness" of Idol Worship, God coming down as Human and all these myriads of gods that people worship all thru ages.
This one chapter will purify a human of every misconception about God.
And you say that our prophet or a group of persons just wrote it without thinking about deeper meaning?
So just go into other topics till I hear something like Chapter 112 from you.
Your knowledge of Urdu and Hindi is all waste if you miss the message of Surah Ikhlas.
Tell me some thing about your parents, did they also left Islam and how was your education at home or school?
I can sense something, but do not want to present it on this thread openly. I have seen many Pseudo Scholars like you.
It only shows that you did not get proper education in your early stages of education.
You still havent answered my questions and then you are accusing me of diverting the topic? Neither Iklas nor 49 are of any intrinsic value to humanity. None of these suras offer any meaningful advice, nor do they do anything to enhance the knowledge or morale of mankind. Both chapters are about Mohammad Abdullah and his alter ego - Allah. I told you before, and I am telling you again, Allah is the spokeperson for Mohd Abduallah in Sura 49 -- "do not raise your voice..." . In fact, Koran as a book is worthless. Now anwer the two questions I asked.

I look forward to your response.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37366 Feb 11, 2013
DRONE STRIKE ZINDABAD INSHALLAH

ASTAFIGURILLAH

(if i say "astafigurillah" 10 times there will be 10 drone strikes on the islamic terror asses)

A
Dabang

Ashburn, VA

#37367 Feb 11, 2013
HAJI KAJI wrote:
Hey guy......what fkck authority d'ya have to ask these questions ? Are you and expert in Indian Law and jurisdiction (the question you usually ask for other's comment )? Forget about LLB , you don't seem to be a proper graduate even ! Otherwise revert ...bravely phuddu budhdha !
Why don't you answer questions raised against Qur'an only ? Gaand phat-ti haey muft-khora ?
You need to be flogged in public everyday morning. And you needa figure out at least four guys who will carry ur bier in the end, at ur age,.......Chaddi carrying you fkcng muft-khora fatso's bier alone will be a the biggest comedy in Hollywood history ....stumbling, staggering, cursing Astrix (Chaddi- without magic potion)carrying Oblix's bier !
<quoted text>
Madarchod hindu
Dabang

Kolkata, India

#37368 Feb 11, 2013
chaddi ke bahan ki fuddi wrote:
<quoted text>
Madarchod hindu
Lagta hai teri aapa ki chut me khujli badh gayi hai
Chump Change

Ardsley, NY

#37369 Feb 11, 2013
Buddha from Hills wrote:
<quoted text>
dear Mr chumpchain or change or whatever
It has become obvious that imi2000 has lambasted you thoroughly with no doubt in the mind of the readers that whatever he says is not irrelevant.
Like you, even I am from India and a Hindu but imi's portrayal of PR Chauhan is stunningly alarming as until today I was thinking that he killed Mohmud of Ghor before he got killed. His furnishing of proofs about their death dates is very convincing.
Also his news item from newspaper supports the fact that our administrators in India are cooking up text books and brainwashing children in schools while they are still young. You also are such a child who has got his history all wrong.
One more thing about 1/3+ equation shopwn to you by one of their goons snaring Ghenghis khan has shut you up so does it prove that muq and ghenghis khan both are right? It has been smartly proved and you haven't uttered a single protest in that direction objectively. Needless to say that your enemies are well equipped with knowledge and facts and it is you who is looking like a slum dog.
You are very abusive and it doesnt speak of our culture and values so please counter him with valid points and i am afraid to say that until today you have not written a single post that makes any sense.
Come on show it to them that you are worth more than your bark.
I am with you in my spirits.
Om tat sat.
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 EQ .99999.... Will always be < 1
There are no assumptions in my calculation. It's straight arithmetic and the result is < 1
Take away the algebraic assumption and what do you have?

You have been stripped here of all the facade and self glorification. I know your ego is bruised being proven a blatant liar over and over, you couldnt even appear under your own id to respond to me. While you thirst for some form of recognition, you fail to get any even from the same Muslims you so passionately support as a Bhelpuri Hindu!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37370 Feb 11, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
You still havent answered my questions and then you are accusing me of diverting the topic? Neither Iklas nor 49 are of any intrinsic value to humanity. None of these suras offer any meaningful advice, nor do they do anything to enhance the knowledge or morale of mankind. Both chapters are about Mohammad Abdullah and his alter ego - Allah. I told you before, and I am telling you again, Allah is the spokeperson for Mohd Abduallah in Sura 49 -- "do not raise your voice..." . In fact, Koran as a book is worthless. Now anwer the two questions I asked.
I look forward to your response.
Maybe you and I should meet at a Tim Horton's ...and you can introduce and guide me through marvels of Islamic thought?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#37371 Feb 11, 2013
Some Highlights of Quranic Chapter 112, Surah IKHLAS

Part-5


Comparison between Quran Chapter 112 and First Two of the Ten Commandments mentioned in the Book of Exodus and Deuteronomy:

Some people have hinted that Our Prophet had before him, these 10 commandments and he used them as “Guideline” to formulate Chapter 112 of Quran.

The answer to this charge is:

a. Where is the proof that our prophet used these Biblical Verses for Chapter 112?

b. Our prophet did not know how to read and write, from whom he heard and remembered these verses?

c. And if he could edit them and rewrite them in so concise and beautiful way, why can’t no one else is able to do it before or after him?

d. If we can assume such type of “Loose charges” then no proof of any kind is needed to prove anything. Any one can come up with any charge and say it is self proven.

A. Are there really any comparison between Quran Surah 112 and these Ten Commandments?

01. Even though the topic of both is same; there is no comparison between Quranic Surah and Ten commandments.

02. In Quranic Surah 112, in each verse there is a Unique Quality of Allah, which can be used to distinguish between True God and false gods.

Remember AHAD, SAMAD, LAM YALID and KUFU. There is no such test given in the Ten Commandments.

03. Ten Commandments only give the instructions, but Quran makes a claim and gives a test to check and verify.

B. What these commandments say:

“I am YHWH, your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of slavery. Do not have other gods before me. Do not have idols, do not make any figure of things in the heavens, or here below the earth, or in the water under the earth.

“Do not kneel before them or worship them, because I YHWH am your God a jealous God who punishes children under the third and fourth generation for the wickedness of their parents who hate me” But I am merciful the Thousandth generation to those who love me and obey my commandments (Deut 5: 6-10)

And

“Listen Israel, YHWH our God is One YHWH and you shall love YHWH your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength”(Deut. 6:4-5)

04. Count the number of words in these Biblical verses and then see how Quran Surah 112 condenses all these plus many more in just 17 words!!

05. Quran Surah starts with the word “Say” which is much powerful than the submissive “Listen” as we see in Bible.

06. Then the word “Israel” makes it appear as if the message is only for Jews. YHWH then becomes a “family god” of Jews, having special relationship with them.

While Quranic narration is free from any racial or national bias. Allah is for every one.

07. Then in Bible YHWH is mentioned as Jealous God that punishes children upto third and fourth generations for the sins and inequities of their father, which is against the principles of Natural Justice.

Quran is free from all these mistakes.

08. So in reality, there is no comparison between Quranic Surah 112 and the first two of famous 10 Commandments of Bible.

It is like comparing Chalk and Cheese. Human write manship and work of Creator of Universe are clearly visible, between these passages from two religious scriptures.

Allah Knows Best

Contd
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#37372 Feb 11, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you and I should meet at a Tim Horton's ...and you can introduce and guide me through marvels of Islamic thought?
Why not, where do you live? Guide I cannot, but meet I would.
harminder

Mumbai, India

#37374 Feb 11, 2013
NaMo …is just the beginning

heh heh heh
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#37375 Feb 11, 2013
Snarling Chingis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you and I should meet at a Tim Horton's ...and you can introduce and guide me through marvels of Islamic thought?
..Islam "is" a legitimate path to God ..

..Islamic extremism ..i.e .,violent nihilism ..is "not" Islam ...

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