No Muslim can think of profaning holy Prophet (PBUH): Altaf

'Even minorities living in Pakistan cannot blaspheme against the holy Prophet , hence I appeal to religious leaders of every shade of religious persuasion to stop their demonstrations after clear assurances from Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani that no amendment is being made in the blasphemy law,' Altaf said while talking to an assembly of MQM ... Full Story

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31285 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I refuse to discuss Shia and Sunni divide the same way I do not discuss the Roman Catholics verses Protestant divide in Christianity.
Or Sanatan Dharmi and Arya Samaji divide in Hinduism or Akali and Nirankari divide in Sikhism.
Because these are internal matters within each religion and discussing them on these public threads is not useful to general public.
In the eyes of Non Muslims, there is no difference between Shia and Sunni. For then they are equally "heathen" so why should I waste my time in discussing these things which have no purpose.
Islam is what is mentioned in Quran and sayings and actions of our Prophet. Neither name of Sunni nor Shia is mentioned anywhere there.
I invite all to Islam and not to any sect. Once you study Islam from its primary sources, you will find out which is closer to the teachings of Quran and Prophet and then you join whichever you like.
...Did you just write "These are internal matters to each religion and, serve no purpose to the general public.." ?

2)..I doubt that ..!!..You relish in lambasting Hinduism ..but, speak of the constant violence emanating from Islam and ,you bury your head..

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#31286 Nov 16, 2012
Dragnet52 wrote:
So one thing is now certain, that it is imi2000 who is posting as fake neville thompson. My post about fake clementia was in response to fake neville thompson, but imi2000 being the dumb guy that he is, jumps in to defend himself. He is thus caught with his pants down. What more can you expect from this crude, crass guy who used the most filthy language in his avatar as fake neville thompson? No doubt, the word "dumb" is his most favorite expression.
Maybe it has given up as being like myself for it's lack of nouce .

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#31287 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. It is against Islamic teachings to persecute any Non Muslim just because of their beliefs. If some Muslims do it they are against Islam.
But why you pick on only Muslims, look at how Muslims are being persecuted in many Christian countries and Hindu countries and Buddhist countries and Communist countries?
02. I do not know of ANY SCRIPTURE which says that any prophet is last and final prophet. People claim that because of their own perception without any proof from their scriptures. Any one can claim any thing for that matter.
03. No comment as it is already covered.
04. We are put on this earth for a test as to which of us do their duties to their Creator and to their fellow humans. Taking life of any innocent man, woman or child is one of the biggest of the big sins that one can do.
Those who do this have to answer before their Creator on the last day.
Hello MUQ ,what makes you think that you will only answer to god of the "last day" ?
Do you not realize that god walks our path with us everyday of our lives and is in our thoughts when we make decisions ?
Who told you of this "last day" stuff that is untrue ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#31288 Nov 16, 2012
IMl2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gandu, I hope that the duel we are involved in, has no judge. Only the combatants know how he is doing. It is about proving to each other about what reality is. You know very well that Clementia- is you. You know that deedat from Mumbai is you. You know that you are Jassi, pskak, Muq-. As that poster has suggested, you have a serious mental disorder albeit he analyzed it for your clone but in reality you know it is YOU he is referring to.
You have a very low opinion of your own countrymen so why blame me when I write facts about them? The multiple IDs you launch here is not about fooling me or the posters opposing you? it is about the posters who are not opposing you - it is about fooling them. You think they are dumb and few days ago you even tried to instigate Thompson to jump in and join the brawl. He firmly rejected the advise by giving his own logical reasons. By calling him "clever" you are mocking his intelligence by derailing his thought process.
You know what? In the whole brief history of Clementia- ID, there has never been a single post addressed to you ! She issues almost all the posts to me and Thompson but NEVER to you. Any stories?
I know you are going to revert within minutes to defend yourself but it will be interesting to see as to how low a deluded Hindu can be?
There are some like Beady from Sydney via France who have been known to have numerous postings with difference alias's to each other of itself and then all attacking our words over that of their collective thinking.

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#31289 Nov 16, 2012
Oooooops .....he is busy eating Haram Fish fry without bothring how a Halal one looks like ! And then as a matter of principle he would not like to answer you.....as he has claimed he never reads posts addressed to him!

May be he would like to come back with an idea how the rocket firing Philtines are victims .....Jews are war mongers ....and war cry in CNN is propganda ...! for that even somebody has to write in KANTI for him to copy and paste !

He is just another Abraham with one leg in grave , another on banana skin......and in between having good time in name of fraudulant his God and Godmen !
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello MUQ ,what makes you think that you will only answer to god of the "last day" ?
Do you not realize that god walks our path with us everyday of our lives and is in our thoughts when we make decisions ?
Who told you of this "last day" stuff that is untrue ?
Deedat

Bhopal, India

#31290 Nov 16, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello MUQ ,what makes you think that you will only answer to god of the "last day" ?
Do you not realize that god walks our path with us everyday of our lives and is in our thoughts when we make decisions ?
Who told you of this "last day" stuff that is untrue ?
Original Neville Thompson , just consider this according to Islamic scriptures it is not the last day as propagated by Islamic scholars it is the “ last night” as the Islamic texts says that sun will be folded on/before (according to different interpretations)…so It will be “night of judgment” and not day of judgment…with the rest of your comment : if there is God and He will judge us every moment of our life…As God have/has to be omnipresent to know what goes in minds of people [I agree]
Zingho

Europe

#31291 Nov 16, 2012
chaddi bhai kaha gayeb ho gya hey yaar tu ? Mano ya naa mano...hum bhi itna dil ka bura nahi hi...leta hi gaand payar sey..tu bhi kya yaad rakhega yaar...kasam teri beautiful gaand ki...
Deedat

Bhopal, India

#31292 Nov 16, 2012
HAJI KAJI wrote:
How fraud MUQ is !
I asked , to sum up, only few questions , trust me decent ones and never got any answers ! Why MUQ , not from any Kattus !
1) How to kill a fish in halal way ? Why Muslims eat fish killed in haram way ?
2) Give one example from the so claimed well documented Baddu Hisory where a Man marries a much married woman of his mother's age to prove that it was normal and Khadija was not Mohammad's mother.
3) Why Ibrahim chopped his lully at age of 95 and not before ?????
4) If Jesus and Mohammad were the Messiah or prophet, why the million jews are rolling in their tomb in Jerrusalam ...waiting for Messiah to resurrect them ???? Why why ?????
NO answers.......never mind .....Judaism is the biggest fraud religion ....is proved again !
That list is very long which includes eggs, all the vegetables, all the fruits, milk etc…it is catch 22 for Muslims …
Deedat

Pune, India

#31293 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Deedat Sahib
First thing you should know if you want to learn "is not to show off and do not ask Rhetoric questions "
I see that you are prone to jump to conclusions and try to insert your own views and then confuse the whole issue.
The original point was when I said that many of Muslim Caliphs were born of slave women. This is a historical fact and any one who reads the biography of these Caliphs knows it and it is not UNISLAMIC for a Caliph to be born of a slave woman!!
Then you started speaking about Caliphs being from Quraish (as if any one born of slave woman would loose his tribe), I told that these Umayyad s and Abbasids were indeed from Quraish!!
Now you come with another rejoinder that if any Non Quraish become Caliph, it would be End of Islam!!
Are we discussing the qualities and requirements for Caliphs? Any one on whom Muslims agree to become their Caliph, becomes a Caliph. It is not MUST that he be from Quraish.
And then you became "judge" and "ordered" that what ever I reply shall be against Islam!!
Are these the traits of someone who wants to learn about Islam? I think not:
PS:
Is the "rule" that one accepting girls as a gift being against prophethood, applicable "only" for Islam or other religions also?
Are you sure NONE of other religion's prophets accepted "girls as gifts"?
Dear Kidwai sahib,
1.It was not a show off and neither my questions were rhetoric ones, if you think that they were; I cannot help. You only picked what suited you (in our previous discussion and left the rest which you did not like…anyways it doesn’t matter to me)
2.If you say that I jump to conclusions and insert my own views : just consider this …..
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9 Book 89, Number 254
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said,“This matter (Caliphate) will remain with the Quraish even if only two of them were still existing.”
Now still do you think that a non Arab can become a Caliph/Khalifa of Ummah? If that was so why there is no person from non-Arabic community which heads the Medina Mosque?
3. They might have born from slave women (who were Arabic)…I agree that it is not UMISLAMIC for a child to be born from a slave woman because it is law of nature that when man takes a woman a child is born (if both are healthy and biological circumstances are right) what does it has to do with whether it is Islamic or Un-Islamic, it is law of nature when two opposite genders meet which are capable of producing an offspring they will have it. Do you want me to believe that it is the Wish of The God that He wants that people should take other humans as slave?
4. When did I say that if a non-Quraish will become a Caliph/Khalifa, it would be the END of Islam??
5. Refer point no 2
6. it is your wish what you want to think about me
7. If questioning something is not a trait of someone who wants to learn about Islam…then please tell me what is the other way?.... should I just believe blindly whatever someone or some books say?
Ps:
A.Your quote” Is the ‘rule’ that one accepting girls as a gift being against prophethood, applicable ‘only’ for Islam or other religions also?
Are you sure NONE of the other religion’s prophets accepted “girls as gifts”? unquote
Deedat: dear bother Prophets are meant to take Humanity in right direction (according to theists) as people follow their example, now if other people accepted girls as gifts like First Caliph/Khalifa of the Ummah then why he is not considered as the Prophet?
B. Your quote” Are you sure NONE of other religion’s prophet accepted “girls as gifts”? unquote
Deedat: there is nothing to be sure or unsure about this thing if someone accepts girls as a commodity and a gift then that person can be called as a Prophet/ or Messenger of God… as they are supposed to show as the right way by example. Do you really think that we should also accept girls as gifts if we are powerful enough???

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31298 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. It is against Islamic teachings to persecute any Non Muslim just because of their beliefs. If some Muslims do it they are against Islam.
But why you pick on only Muslims, look at how Muslims are being persecuted in many Christian countries and Hindu countries and Buddhist countries and Communist countries?
..So are Saudis "non" Muslims ....???..This is a joke ..!!!...We can read what Muslims ..DO..and, I realize you "must" use self censorship ....but..come on "MUQ" ..!!!...are you really Judas ..selling the Lord out for silver ..???

..2.."MUQ" ..It is good and wholesome ..to protect Islam ..using ..misdirection , half-truths and omissions ...for the benefit of the faith...
2a) Can we ..suppose this has "always" been the case ..beginning with Mohammad ...???...a religion comfortable with lies ...?...for the benefit of Allah, of course ..

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31299 Nov 16, 2012
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello MUQ ,what makes you think that you will only answer to god of the "last day" ?
Do you not realize that god walks our path with us everyday of our lives and is in our thoughts when we make decisions ?
Who told you of this "last day" stuff that is untrue ?
...What..exactly..are..you..sa ying ....???...Aussie..Is God watch me shower ..???

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31300 Nov 16, 2012
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post confirms my view! Weather here is getting colder by a day but only some trees have lost leaves and it is mid November!
...If your "views" were "number four" has been drinking ....you truly are MENSA material ...good show

As..for my threat to murderize you....I was well within my "rights"...!!!...YOU ..insinuated ,that I may be Muslim ..!!!

Just so you know...I have launched a formal complaint with the British Embassy ...!!!

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31301 Nov 16, 2012
...HEY...Indian Nationals ..."Tyr Bloodletter".."Harmi der"...If India purchases fighter aircraft ....Is there one you would recommend ...???...(F-22 Raptor ..is just too expensive )
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#31302 Nov 16, 2012
yaudheya wrote:
<quoted text>
So what ? Hinduism also prohibits the gambling and drinking .-- Rigveda -- " Akcchvapa sookta ". But who does care ? Neither Hindu nor Muhammadans . Then why are you stating responsible only Hindus for this ? Is this not hate spraying propaganda ? Are you not proving yourself as a hatemonger ?
I did not see any 'Hindu outfit' coming out openly against drinking and gambling.

I did not see any 'Hindu organization' demanding that Govt. put a ban on them?

The same 'Hindu organizations' who keep a hawk like watch on Govt. to stop any move for 'minority appeasement' keep a 'mouse like silence' on these issues.

What is the purpose of any law mentioned in scriptures if it is not implemented on land and there is 'no effort' to implement it on land?

That is difference between "Islamic movements" and these so called "HINDUTVA" movements.

Muslims are asking for Islamic laws to be implemented, HINDUTVA forces are only asking that Muslims be suppressed.

And they say HINDUTVA forces are national while Islamic organizations are Terrorists.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31304 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not see any 'Hindu outfit' coming out openly against drinking and gambling.
I did not see any 'Hindu organization' demanding that Govt. put a ban on them?
The same 'Hindu organizations' who keep a hawk like watch on Govt. to stop any move for 'minority appeasement' keep a 'mouse like silence' on these issues.
What is the purpose of any law mentioned in scriptures if it is not implemented on land and there is 'no effort' to implement it on land?
That is difference between "Islamic movements" and these so called "HINDUTVA" movements.
Muslims are asking for Islamic laws to be implemented, HINDUTVA forces are only asking that Muslims be suppressed.
And they say HINDUTVA forces are national while Islamic organizations are Terrorists.
..Does "Hindutva"..condemn terrorism...???..The Muslims Brotherhood..hasn't..!

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#31305 Nov 16, 2012
..HEY.."MUQ" ..and fellow Muslims ....should Hamas ...step back ..???..or..(maybe, this time you can beat the Jews)?

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#31306 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ has written a lot about greatness of Muslim Moghuls and all . It surely looks good when one reads only the narrations by Muslim sycophant courtiers but they are far away from truth………! To start let us check how the Mughals , who could not make to the power , lived…..

Just look at the last Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar- he had one dozen legal wives , other than concubines…….16 sons……18 daughters……….! Then Mughal had a family rule- Gals were never married …….I mean fkckng around was allowed but no marriage !

(you can revert if you think or find otherwise)
So what was the status of these Salatins (Palace born princess and princesses)??
British records show that –

“These salatins numbered in thousands, living life in poverty in their own walled quarters in Red Fort next to Mughal Kings family palace !This was the darker side of the life of the Red Fort and greatest embarrassment, for reason many salatins were never allowed out of gate.

According to one Brit observer-

The salatin quarters consists of a immense high wall so that nothing can overlook it. Within this were numerous mat huts in which those wretched objects lived When the gates were opened there was a rush of miserable half naked , starved beings , who surrounded us (Brits). Some man nearly 80 years old were almost in a state of nature.”

Ruler family who treated their own bro and sisi like above , can not be treating their subject better (Muslim or Hindoo is irrelevant).

As a matter of fact many many years back if had picked up a gal around Chandni Chowk, by morning you would have known that you had a good time with a Mughul Princess gifted to you hitherto a Moghul Prince (pimp).

I surely don’t understand what Muslims (like Chaddi and MUQ ) are proud of in these chutiAs ….unless they believe pimping , wh*ring is a better profession over any other and should be provided state and family protection !!!
Deedat

Pune, India

#31307 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Qidwai Sahib ”If all the religions before Islam were not perfect and had scope for reformation. That is why in no other scripture we find that their religion is perfected.”
Deedat:“ Do All Mighty Lord likes to play dice with his creation??….did He forgot to perfect His thoughts and what He wants from His creation?? And did He forget to perfect His creation from last 100000 …..Brother how you come to the conclusion that that no other scripture find that their religion is perfected is very astounding, because if you will say that it is written in some book because some said so….it will become another point of discussion (hoping you can see thru and don’t say that it is true because it is said so in a certain book)
2.Qidwai Sahib:“ In Quran it is clearly mentioned that the religion is perfected…..And when it is perfected, if you try to reform it, you will only make it imperfect!!”
Deedat: If it is clearly mentioned in Quran that the religion is perfected…should we believe that without an inquiry? As Harry Potter and other books also have their own stories, should we believe them as true or fantasy?
3. Qidwai Sahib:“And that is what we are seeing in all these ‘modernized versions’ of Islam which so many people are proposing.”
Deedat: What is true version of Islam because there are more than 100 plus versions of Islam? Also if what is old version of Islam and what is modern version of Islam??
4.Qidwai Sahib “They are very lopsided, impractical and lack the test of practically and proper alignment with human nature….Just like the millions of laws and acts passed by our parliament and assemblies…being modified every now and then.
Deedat “Are they? They may be some loopholes but humans are searching for a better way (Sharia is filled with so many holes: for example for a theft (irrespective why that person committed it)t there is only one punishment i.e. chopping of hands and it does not consider whether the thief was trying to feed his hungry family or he was doing it out of his greed )….modification in laws are necessary so that the humanity can be progressive.
4.What is that?? Cannot understand what u meant.
5.Qidwai Sahib “ There are Arabian Countries (i.e. who speak Arabic as a language) where many Non-Muslims live”
Deedat: Do all the Non-Muslims live in peace in all the Arabic countries where different sects are fighting and they all gather up to hurt and kill Non-Muslims specially Christians…exception is Qatar and one more country.
Qidwai Sahib:“Islam is found amongst all races and amongst all nations and amongst all linguistic groups.”
Deedat: it is not only Islam, all the other religions can claim that and prove it.
6. Qidwai Sahib:“ It is the most Wide Universal Brotherhood club that one can find on earth.”
Deedat:“ Islam can claim that it is the most Wide Universal Brotherhood club that kills and bombs other sects of Islam and people who do not agree with one particular interpretation of the Quran Shariff, that one can find on the earth….truly no other religion can match this……

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#31308 Nov 16, 2012
MUQ has written a lot about greatness of Muslim Moghuls and all . It surely looks good when one reads only the narrations by Muslim sycophant courtiers but they are far away from truth………! To start let us check how the Mughals , who could not make to the power , lived…..
Just look at the last Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar- he had one dozen legal wives , other than concubines…….16 sons……18 daughters……….! Then Mughal had a family rule- Gals were never married …….I mean fkckng around was allowed but no marriage !
(you can revert if you think or find otherwise)
So what was the status of these Salatins (Palace born princess and princesses)??
British records show that –
“These salatins numbered in thousands, living life in poverty in their own walled quarters in Red Fort next to Mughal Kings family palace !This was the darker side of the life of the Red Fort and greatest embarrassment, for reason many salatins were never allowed out of gate.
According to one Brit observer-
The salatin quarters consists of a immense high wall so that nothing can overlook it. Within this were numerous mat huts in which those wretched objects lived When the gates were opened there was a rush of miserable half naked , starved beings , who surrounded us (Brits). Some man nearly 80 years old were almost in a state of nature.”
Ruler family who treated their own bro and sisi like above , can not be treating their subject better (Muslim or Hindoo is irrelevant).
As a matter of fact many many years back if had picked up a gal around Chandni Chowk, by morning you would have known that you had a good time with a Mughul Princess gifted to you hitherto a Moghul Prince (pimp).
I surely don’t understand what Muslims (like Chaddi and MUQ ) are proud of in these chutiAs ….unless they believe pimping , wh*ring is a better profession over any other and should be provided state and family protection !!!
Whatever is written in scriptures thousands of years back are better to be kept there at peace………..and evolved ideas , taking seed from them need to be implemented again.
Moderation is the buzzword rather than ban . How will you access cough syrup and number of other life saving drugs if you ban Alcohol ? Or like halal fish one need not think about it?
Look at ChnkuS – Great gamblers in life , and moderation gives them success ! Stocks, Futures , Brokerage…….all are gambling – may be calculated gambling – but brings prosperity with proper regulations !
Why don’t you advise Mulim Laws to Chinkus ? Paki Kattus all weather friend ! you will get your right answer – Sharia ka purdi bana kaar apney gaand mein daal lou and be Happy !
Bhosrdi Ka are you aware that most muslims die at young age (check Pakis and Arabs) or live in sick bed due to obesity , diabetes , heart and other organ failures due to overeating sht and not dinking alcohol
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not see any 'Hindu outfit' coming out openly against drinking and gambling.
I did not see any 'Hindu organization' demanding that Govt. put a ban on them?
The same 'Hindu organizations' who keep a hawk like watch on Govt. to stop any move for 'minority appeasement' keep a 'mouse like silence' on these issues.
What is the purpose of any law mentioned in scriptures if it is not implemented on land and there is 'no effort' to implement it on land?
That is difference between "Islamic movements" and these so called "HINDUTVA" movements.
Muslims are asking for Islamic laws to be implemented, HINDUTVA forces are only asking that Muslims be suppressed.
And they say HINDUTVA forces are national while Islamic organizations are Terrorists.

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

Since: Aug 08

MILKY WAY

#31309 Nov 16, 2012
Whatever is written in scriptures thousands of years back are better to be kept there at peace………..and evolved ideas , taking seed from them need to be implemented again.

Moderation is the buzzword rather than ban . How will you access cough syrup and number of other life saving drugs if you ban Alcohol ? Or like halal fish one need not think about it?

Look at ChnkuS – Great gamblers in life , and moderation gives them success ! Stocks, Futures , Brokerage…….all are gambling – may be calculated gambling – but brings prosperity with proper regulations !

Why don’t you advise Mulim Laws to Chinkus ? Paki Kattus all weather friend ! you will get your right answer – Sharia ka purdi bana kaar apney gaand mein daal lou and be Happy !

Bhosrdi Ka are you aware that most muslims die at young age (check Pakis and Arabs) or live in sick bed due to obesity , diabetes , heart and other organ failures due to overeating sht and not dinking alcohol
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not see any 'Hindu outfit' coming out openly against drinking and gambling.
I did not see any 'Hindu organization' demanding that Govt. put a ban on them?
The same 'Hindu organizations' who keep a hawk like watch on Govt. to stop any move for 'minority appeasement' keep a 'mouse like silence' on these issues.
What is the purpose of any law mentioned in scriptures if it is not implemented on land and there is 'no effort' to implement it on land?
That is difference between "Islamic movements" and these so called "HINDUTVA" movements.
Muslims are asking for Islamic laws to be implemented, HINDUTVA forces are only asking that Muslims be suppressed.
And they say HINDUTVA forces are national while Islamic organizations are Terrorists.

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