Dear Kidwai sahib,<quoted text>
First thing you should know if you want to learn "is not to show off and do not ask Rhetoric questions "
I see that you are prone to jump to conclusions and try to insert your own views and then confuse the whole issue.
The original point was when I said that many of Muslim Caliphs were born of slave women. This is a historical fact and any one who reads the biography of these Caliphs knows it and it is not UNISLAMIC for a Caliph to be born of a slave woman!!
Then you started speaking about Caliphs being from Quraish (as if any one born of slave woman would loose his tribe), I told that these Umayyad s and Abbasids were indeed from Quraish!!
Now you come with another rejoinder that if any Non Quraish become Caliph, it would be End of Islam!!
Are we discussing the qualities and requirements for Caliphs? Any one on whom Muslims agree to become their Caliph, becomes a Caliph. It is not MUST that he be from Quraish.
And then you became "judge" and "ordered" that what ever I reply shall be against Islam!!
Are these the traits of someone who wants to learn about Islam? I think not:
Is the "rule" that one accepting girls as a gift being against prophethood, applicable "only" for Islam or other religions also?
Are you sure NONE of other religion's prophets accepted "girls as gifts"?
1.It was not a show off and neither my questions were rhetoric ones, if you think that they were; I cannot help. You only picked what suited you (in our previous discussion and left the rest which you did not like anyways it doesnt matter to me)
2.If you say that I jump to conclusions and insert my own views : just consider this ..
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9 Book 89, Number 254
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Allahs Apostle said,This matter (Caliphate) will remain with the Quraish even if only two of them were still existing.
Now still do you think that a non Arab can become a Caliph/Khalifa of Ummah? If that was so why there is no person from non-Arabic community which heads the Medina Mosque?
3. They might have born from slave women (who were Arabic) I agree that it is not UMISLAMIC for a child to be born from a slave woman because it is law of nature that when man takes a woman a child is born (if both are healthy and biological circumstances are right) what does it has to do with whether it is Islamic or Un-Islamic, it is law of nature when two opposite genders meet which are capable of producing an offspring they will have it. Do you want me to believe that it is the Wish of The God that He wants that people should take other humans as slave?
4. When did I say that if a non-Quraish will become a Caliph/Khalifa, it would be the END of Islam??
5. Refer point no 2
6. it is your wish what you want to think about me
7. If questioning something is not a trait of someone who wants to learn about Islam then please tell me what is the other way?.... should I just believe blindly whatever someone or some books say?
A.Your quote Is the rule that one accepting girls as a gift being against prophethood, applicable only for Islam or other religions also?
Are you sure NONE of the other religions prophets accepted girls as gifts? unquote
Deedat: dear bother Prophets are meant to take Humanity in right direction (according to theists) as people follow their example, now if other people accepted girls as gifts like First Caliph/Khalifa of the Ummah then why he is not considered as the Prophet?
B. Your quote Are you sure NONE of other religions prophet accepted girls as gifts? unquote
Deedat: there is nothing to be sure or unsure about this thing if someone accepts girls as a commodity and a gift then that person can be called as a Prophet/ or Messenger of God as they are supposed to show as the right way by example. Do you really think that we should also accept girls as gifts if we are powerful enough???