Dr. Gary Miller Revert to Islam

Dr. Gary Miller Revert to Islam

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Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Jan 21, 2015
Dr. Gary Miller Revert to Islam


The Road to Paradise. Why people with high intellects embrace Islam. Very interesting Lecture about Christianity and Islam by Dr. Gary Miller a former born again Christian Missionary!
http://youtu.be/iKk3SgHwcjw&#65279 ;
Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#2 Jan 23, 2015
Mujahid wrote:
Dr. Gary Miller Revert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iKk3SgHwcjwXX
The Road to Paradise. Why people with high intellects embrace Islam. Very interesting Lecture about Christianity and Islam by Dr. Gary Miller a former born again Christian Missionary!
http://youtu.be/iKk3SgHwcjw&#65279 ;
This man is from a Christian Missionary. He made the bold decision to embrace Islam.
Ask him why ?
That will help you in the decision making process.
Welcome to Islam Dr. Miller. Hope to meet you one day.
By the way, I love and respect Moses and Jesus too.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#3 Jan 23, 2015
The famous dissimulators all parrot the same pack of lies from the same script, whether Ahmed Deedat or his self-described disciple Naik or the fat man in the butcher's apron Yusuf Estes or those that parrot the same script at Gary Miller's website.

They act like they welcome questions on Gary Miller's "Islam for Christians" website, but like all Muslims that do little more than parrot taqiyyah/dissimulation, or lying in the way of Allah, they are struck dumb when you ask questions. The guy I chatted with tried to fall back on the same tired old - that Psalms 84 detailed a pilgrimage to Mecca - steaming pile of camel dung.
http://www.islamforchristians.com/gary-miller...

The website invited me to a live chat session, with a flashing "CHAT ONLINE" button, through which I very much appreciated the opportunity to engage. The chat went:

Please wait for a site adviser to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Fahad'

Fahad: Hello. Welcome to our live chat.

Fahad: How can I assist you today?

you: Hi Fahad, my name is John

Fahad: hi

you: I wonder if you could direct me to a body of historical and archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca existed prior to the 4th century AD. That is the kind of historical and archaeological evidence we have for other ancient Arabian towns.

Fahad: i do not know about any particular archaelogical study regarding it.

you: How about historical?

Fahad: perhaps there is some study regarding it, which i am not familiar with it

you: You seem to be confirming, what is hard to deny as fact, that Mecca did not exist prior to the 4th century AD.

Fahad: historical information is there in many of the books of history

Fahad: no, i said i do not know about the archealogical findings

Fahad: books of history are there

Fahad: infact, let me ask you

Fahad: are you a christian?

you: I am referring to actual historical record of Mecca, outside of Islamic "tradition" that was all put to the pen in the 8th to 10th centuries AD, so many centuries after the fact.

you: Yes I am a Christian

Fahad: in that case

Fahad: Quran gives another name of Makkah, which is bakkah

Fahad: and this bakkah is mentioned in the bible as a place of pilgrimage and spring (water)

you: I am familiar with Ahmed Deedat's dissimulation to which you are beginning to allude. But have you actually ever read the passage for yourself?

Fahad: Psalms 84

Fahad: How lovely is Your dwelling-place, O Lord of Hosts. I long, I yearn for the courts of the Lord; my body and soul shout for joy to the living God ... Happy are those who dwell in Your house; they forever praise You. Happy is the man who finds refuge in You, whose mind is on the [pilgrim] highways. They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing ... Better one day in Your courts than a thousand [anywhere else]; I would rather stand at the threshold of God's house than dwell in the tents of the wicked

Fahad: this is exactly what islam says about Makkah

Fahad: and also calls it Bakkah in the Quran

you: Didn't you ever wonder what is in the places that you substituted with the .......s?

Fahad: it is very clear isnt it?

Fahad: yet you would not accept this stark reality

Fahad: how close can this linkage be?

Fahad: not more than this

Fahad: so shoudnt you accept this clear linkage between what prophet Muhammad brought and what other prophets brought

you: The "stark reality" would seem to be how you were deceived, my friend: 84:7 They go from strength to strength,[every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.

Fahad: it is the light from the same candle

Fahad: you are presenting it word for word as if your bible is preserved word for word

Fahad: which is not the case

Fahad: and you know that

you: "IN ZION", a pilgrimmage to THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs where YHWH had His people built a temple to Him, the temple mount of which still stands today.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#4 Jan 23, 2015
Fahad: thats what you believe

Fahad: we believe this was always the house of God

Fahad: and thats what it mentions

Fahad: the house of lord

Fahad: as described in the Quran

Fahad: by the name of "baitullah

you: My friend, it isn't about what I believe but what the very verse that you chose to quote SAYS. IN ZION.

Fahad: however, you would not accept the Quran which is preseved

Fahad: and take the bible which has versions and versions and things that you are not even sure of

Fahad: how can i help you with this

Fahad: if you fail to accept

Fahad: so dont waste my time

Fahad: Thank you for giving us this opportunity to assist you.

Fahad: Have a nice day.

Chat session has ended. Thank you for giving us this opportunity to assist you.

You are not currently in a chat session.
__________

I didn't even get a chance to post my last comment which was:

Tell me, does it make sense to you that the Old Testament saints would turn their backs on their temple that YHWH had them build in Jerusalem, to wander 1400 kilometers off into the Arabian desert?
__________

See what a pack of lies it is? 95% of the times you see this argument posted on YouTube or internet web pages, the only verse in the passage that pins the location of that pilgrimage "IN ZION" is censored out of the passage. Nothing demonstrates the willingness of Muhammad's followers to parrot lies more than this whopper. Little more demonstrates the Islamization of Wikipedia than the repeated vandalization of the reinclusion of the missing verse:

Here is how the verse reads without the Islamic "......" put in their censoring it (with my caps):

They pass through the Valley of Baca, regarding it as a place of springs, as if the early rain had covered it with blessing.(here is the part they censored out) They go from rampart to rampart, appearing before God IN ZION. O Lord, God of hosts, hear my prayer; give ear, O God of Jacob. O God, behold our shield, look upon the face of Your anointed.(here is where their quote begins again) Better one day in Your courts than a thousand [anywhere else]; I would rather stand at the threshold of GodÂ’s house than dwell in the tents of the wicked."*
http://www.brotherpete.com/baca_mecca.htm

Perhaps the Muslims in this forum could answer the question that poor Fahad could not? Does it make sense to you that the Old Testament saints would turn their backs on their temple that YHWH had them build in Jerusalem, to wander 1400 kilometers off into the Arabian desert, to a kaaba that did not exist until around 2,000 years after that pilgrimage took place IN ZION?

Of course you aren't going to answer. You will run and hide from this famous lie like all the rest of the lies from Islamic taqiyyah purveyors and dissimulators that you are drowning in.
Don't you ever tire of doing the bidding for the father of lies - Satan?
Where do you think those lies are going to carry you other than straight to hell?
Darth Yoda

Blackpool, UK

#5 Jan 23, 2015
PeteWaldo

I told you when you arrived here there are NO Muslims who read this nonsense forum apart from about 2. Just look at the thread topics. You need to go to a proper Muslim forum where scholarly discussion takes places. EVEN so, scholars don't discuss on forums (perhaps on an official website) so you are talking to average Muslims - only if someone has this as a hobby the average Muslim is just educated what he learnt at school college - Math sciences humanities not hardcore Islamic sciences.

I still challenge you to post on a real forum OR arrange a public live debate with someone who does this - we will come and watch you or watch on YouTube.

You are simply on the wrong forum - with people using foul language why should anyone stay
Darth Yoda

Blackpool, UK

#6 Jan 23, 2015
Gary Miller does not have a website. It might be a Muslim who has gathered his talks on a website. You have misunderstood.
Naman

Mahachai, Thailand

#7 Jan 24, 2015
Mujahid wrote:
Dr. Gary Miller Revert to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iKk3SgHwcjwXX
The Road to Paradise. Why people with high intellects embrace Islam. Very interesting Lecture about Christianity and Islam by Dr. Gary Miller a former born again Christian Missionary!
http://youtu.be/iKk3SgHwcjw&#65279 ;
I would bet he has never read Klog Belaest's books. Nobody should ever embrace Islam, until he/she has read the surahs from Medina, the book "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran", and the booklet "Muhamad lying in the Quran".
Besides: How many who join Islam is not much informative, until you also tells how many leave Islam at the same time.
Also: To join Islam tells something about a person's real intelligence.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#8 Jan 24, 2015
Darth Yoda wrote:
PeteWaldo
I told you when you arrived here there are NO Muslims who read this nonsense forum apart from about 2. Just look at the thread topics. You need to go to a proper Muslim forum where scholarly discussion takes places. EVEN so, scholars don't discuss on forums ......
There is no such thing as a Muslim "scholar" since all must ignore the matter of fact that there is not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed prior to the 4th century AD.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TC7...
That's why Islamic "scholars" have to resort to telling absolutely transparent, preposterous and geographically and demographically IMPOSSIBLE lies like this Baca=Mecca nonsense.

Now maybe you don't consider the Greek sophist styled buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat's dissimulation, to be any more scholarly than I do, but at least tens of Millions of Muslims would disagree. Here's a sample site in which Deedat advances this preposterous lie:

"Ahmad Deedat comments in his book, The Combat Kit:
7. BACA IS MECCA: the holy Ka'ba built by the prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ishmael (PBUH) is in Mecca.
The name Mecca (Makkah) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an in 48:24. Another name for Mecca is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe: this is also mentioned once, in Sura 3:96
"Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people." Amazingly enough, this word Bakka is mentioned by the prophet David (PBUH) in the Bible:
"Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools." (Psalm 84:6)
The well here is the well known well of Zam-Zam, still present now, close to the Ka'bah; after thousands of years."
http://www.islam101.net/islamic-theology-main...

And maybe you don't consider the fat man in the butcher's apron Yusuf Estes to be any more of a scholar than Deedat, but again, millions of Muslims would disagree with you. Here is an example of Estes advancing this filthy preposterous lie:
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/196...

And of course Naik is a self-described disciple of Deedat etc. etc.
You see, my friend, it is only because you all follow the father of lies, that you put so much effort into advancing these preposterous provable lies in a desperate attempt to suggest THE false prophet Muhammad's counter-gospel anti-religion is of the God of the Bible, when in fact it is revealed as the exact opposite:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
Now perhaps you consider Ahmed Dee
Darth Yoda wrote:
.......(perhaps on an official website) so you are talking to average Muslims - only if someone has this as a hobby the average Muslim is just educated what he learnt at school college - Math sciences humanities not hardcore Islamic sciences.
I still challenge you to post on a real forum ........
And in typical Muslim fashion you pretend that I did not list the many forums in which I participated.
Darth Yoda wrote:
....... OR arrange a public live debate with someone who does this - we will come and watch you or watch on YouTube.
Debate is more of a parlor trick. When I was in school the pinnacle of debate was reached when a person or panel was skilled enough at the practice of debate, to convince a room full of people that something was true, that they should have all had the common sense to realize was patently false.

Since I consider myself accountable to God for every word I say or type, I would not find an environment that requires such off-the-cuff spontaneity, would not be suitable. Thus the websites and chat forum I maintain.
Darth Yoda wrote:
You are simply on the wrong forum - with people using foul language why should anyone stay
Darth Yoda

Blackpool, UK

#10 Jan 24, 2015
PeteWaldo's taqiyya

you: Hi Fahad, my name is John

John!

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#11 Jan 24, 2015
Darth Yoda wrote:
PeteWaldo's taqiyya
you: Hi Fahad, my name is John
John!
Perhaps you didn't know this by screen names are not unusual on the internet. Pete Waldo isn't my real name either. And sometimes when I am entering an environment where I suspect the use of my common screen name, may cause the other party to flee from the truth before we begin, I will use another screen name. Since there is likely no shortage of Muslims that would like me dead, use of a screen name isn't a bad idea. Jesus didn't tell the Pharisees to go ahead and stone Him either, but slipped out through the crowd, until it was His appointed time.

But why don't you try and be a little constructive for a change, and render an opinion on this massively popular Muhammadan lie, that is parroted by virtually every Greek sophist styled entertainer and dissimulating deceiver, in the cult of Muhammadanism? Indeed few things demonstrate the Islamization of Wikipedia more than their article on this preposterous lie:
http://www.brotherpete.com/baca_mecca.htm

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#12 Jan 24, 2015
Here's the Greek sophist styled buffoonery of the famous lying deceiver Zakir Naik, a self-proclaimed disciple of Deedat, parroting the same preposterous lie to the applause of THE false prophet Muhammad's poor, deluded, Bible-ignorant minions.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#13 Jan 25, 2015
Darth Yoda wrote:
PeteWaldo
I told you when you arrived here there are NO Muslims who read this nonsense forum apart from about 2. Just look at the thread topics. You need to go to a proper Muslim forum where scholarly discussion takes places. EVEN so, scholars don't discuss on forums (perhaps on an official website) so you are talking to average Muslims - only if someone has this as a hobby the average Muslim is just educated what he learnt at school college - Math sciences humanities not hardcore Islamic sciences.
I still challenge you to post on a real forum OR arrange a public live debate with someone who does this - we will come and watch you or watch on YouTube.
You are simply on the wrong forum - with people using foul language why should anyone stay
What happened to you Darth? Now that we've established that Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes rather than being scholars, are lying frauds and purveyors of Islamic dissimulation/taqiyyah, having all parroted this same preposterous baca=Mecca geographically and demographically provably impossible lie, perhaps it's time for you to explain to us just what an Islamic "scholar" is.
Cosmic Truth

India

#14 Jan 25, 2015
Islamic scholars are the fools who
just know the quran and if they are
invited to muslim homes to teach
their children ........ they will inspire
them and within a few weeks these
children will be in Iraq fighting for
the Isis and the parents will be
explaining to the world how their
Children were brainwashed by these
satanic bastaaards and how the
parents made a mistake by inviting
them to teach their children satanic
Dharma.........
which finally leads them to hell on
earth....Iraq......Syria.....I sis and
to hell after their death.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#15 Jan 25, 2015
Cosmic Truth wrote:
Islamic scholars are the fools who
just know the quran and if they are
invited to muslim homes to teach
their children ........ they will inspire
them and within a few weeks these
children will be in Iraq fighting for
the Isis and the parents will be
explaining to the world how their
Children were brainwashed by these
satanic bastaaards and how the
parents made a mistake by inviting
them to teach their children satanic
Dharma.........
which finally leads them to hell on
earth....Iraq......Syria.....I sis and
to hell after their death.
You mean like these cute kids?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#16 Jan 26, 2015
Here's a real corker in which Deedat (as do his disciples) fools his adoring, applauding, bible-ignorant minions into believing Muhammad was not antichrist. As directly proven to be a lie, by the very book of the Bible and version, he proclaims supports that Muhammad was not antichrist. Talk about buffoonery! Those poor applauding dupes, following Deedat's lies straight into making their final resting place, with the father of lies. Oh wait, that's right, it isn't a place of rest. Note "day and night":

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T0H...

Here's a link to the same First Epistle of John, from the same and version that Deedat pretended to quote from, when he created his own phony Bible verse and then claimed it proves Muhammad was not antichrist. Read it for yourself and report back to us as to whether Deedat was a delusional, taqiyyah purveying liar, or was telling the truth:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle...

Bala Bafoofkit

Sunnyvale, CA

#18 Jan 18, 2016
Paradise is a Persian load word, proving Islam is a parody religion

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