Christian Are Mentally Retarded People
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#21 May 12, 2008
tolivr wrote:
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What evidence have you that Mary was 11 or 12 when she gave birth? I've never seen such information.
We do know, however, that mohammed was having sex with a 9 year old child. That makes him a pedophile.
What about Joseph was he pedophile too because Marry had engaged Joseph when she was 10 or 11 years old.

tolivr Don't Throw Stones if You Live in a Glass House.

“God loves to heal people”

Since: Nov 07

Harrogate, UK

#22 May 12, 2008
Djama wrote:
They believe that a man named Jesus — whose return they have been anxiously awaiting for nearly 2,000 years — was born of a virgin and physically resurrected after death. They believe an all-powerful and all-loving God (a three-in-one multipurpose &#971;ber-being consisting of a Father, Son, and some ill-defined entity called the "Holy Ghost") sent Jesus, his son, who is also himself, to earth to be brutally tortured and killed for humanity's collective sins. Further, they believe that only by accepting this story, and through a steadfast faith in Jesus, and his convolutedly meaningless “sacrifice,” can any human being travel the path toward eternal salvation. An eternity burning in hell awaits the rest of humanity.
This mythology is simply preposterous — easily as absurd as anything from ancient mythology — yet most United States citizens unquestioningly accept it.Why would a God create people so imperfect, then blame them for their own imperfections, then send his son to be murdered by those imperfect people to make up for how imperfect those people were, and how imperfect they were inevitably going to be. I mean, what a crazy idea.
How it's possible for any Christian to muster a sufficient level of hypocritical audacity to criticize other groups’ faith-based beliefs, when their own beliefs are so indefensibly absurd, is as beyond human understanding as their nonsensical Trinity doctrine.
It does sound mad, nevertheless I do believe it and am one of the nutters who is waiting for thge return of Christ.

The Holy Spirit is God the Spirit who lives inside the heart of anyone who invites Him in. This is what Jesus promised, that we would be able to invite Him in to our hearts, so that we can live righteously.

But I thought Muslims also had respect for Jesus. Is that not so?

Since: Jan 08

Croydon, PA

#23 May 12, 2008
Djama wrote:
They believe that a man named Jesus — whose return they have been anxiously awaiting for nearly 2,000 years — was born of a virgin and physically resurrected after death. They believe an all-powerful and all-loving God (a three-in-one multipurpose &#971;ber-being consisting of a Father, Son, and some ill-defined entity called the "Holy Ghost") sent Jesus, his son, who is also himself, to earth to be brutally tortured and killed for humanity's collective sins. Further, they believe that only by accepting this story, and through a steadfast faith in Jesus, and his convolutedly meaningless “sacrifice,” can any human being travel the path toward eternal salvation. An eternity burning in hell awaits the rest of humanity.
This mythology is simply preposterous — easily as absurd as anything from ancient mythology — yet most United States citizens unquestioningly accept it.Why would a God create people so imperfect, then blame them for their own imperfections, then send his son to be murdered by those imperfect people to make up for how imperfect those people were, and how imperfect they were inevitably going to be. I mean, what a crazy idea.
How it's possible for any Christian to muster a sufficient level of hypocritical audacity to criticize other groups’ faith-based beliefs, when their own beliefs are so indefensibly absurd, is as beyond human understanding as their nonsensical Trinity doctrine.
And atheist believe the energy, the universe, life and everything in between sprang from nothing by coincidence. And you have the audacity to call Christians nuts. LOL

However, like I said before, I would rather be an atheist than a Muslim because Islam is a death-cult. So, I think Islam is even more depraved than being an atheist.

Since: Jan 08

Croydon, PA

#24 May 12, 2008
Djama wrote:
They believe that a man named Jesus — whose return they have been anxiously awaiting for nearly 2,000 years — was born of a virgin and physically resurrected after death. They believe an all-powerful and all-loving God (a three-in-one multipurpose &#971;ber-being consisting of a Father, Son, and some ill-defined entity called the "Holy Ghost") sent Jesus, his son, who is also himself, to earth to be brutally tortured and killed for humanity's collective sins. Further, they believe that only by accepting this story, and through a steadfast faith in Jesus, and his convolutedly meaningless “sacrifice,” can any human being travel the path toward eternal salvation. An eternity burning in hell awaits the rest of humanity.
This mythology is simply preposterous — easily as absurd as anything from ancient mythology — yet most United States citizens unquestioningly accept it.Why would a God create people so imperfect, then blame them for their own imperfections, then send his son to be murdered by those imperfect people to make up for how imperfect those people were, and how imperfect they were inevitably going to be. I mean, what a crazy idea.
How it's possible for any Christian to muster a sufficient level of hypocritical audacity to criticize other groups’ faith-based beliefs, when their own beliefs are so indefensibly absurd, is as beyond human understanding as their nonsensical Trinity doctrine.
And atheists believe the energy, the universe, life and everything in between sprang from nothing by coincidence. And you have the audacity to call Christians nuts. LOL

However, like I said before, I would rather be an atheist than a Muslim because Islam is a death-cult. So, I think Islam is even more depraved than being an atheist.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#25 May 12, 2008
Zoompad wrote:
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It does sound mad, nevertheless I do believe it and am one of the nutters who is waiting for thge return of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is God the Spirit who lives inside the heart of anyone who invites Him in. This is what Jesus promised, that we would be able to invite Him in to our hearts, so that we can live righteously.
But I thought Muslims also had respect for Jesus. Is that not so?
It true that we love Jesus and his Mother Tremendously,and you must also understand It is an article of faith for the Muslims to believe in Jesus. No Muslim is a Muslim if he/she does not believe in Jesus and his Mother. We believe in his miraculous birth. We believe he was one of the mightiest messengers of God. We believe he cured the blind and the lepers by God's permission. We believe he gave life to the dead by God's permission. We believe he was the Messiah, or Christ. We only split with Christians in conferring Jesus with divinity. We do not believe he is God, in other words, the concept of Trinity. W respect Jesus, and his Mother though, and would never blaspheme against them
tolivr

Montgomery, AL

#26 May 12, 2008
Djama wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary the Mother of Jesus
From Mary Fairchild,
Your Guide to Christianity.
Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.
http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
Now I ask you 12 years old is indeed awfully young Little Girl so I ask you would that make Jesus father pedophile.
Mary's age:

The Catholic Encyclopedia states,“From the age at which Hebrew maidens became marriageable, it is possible that Mary gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age. No historical document tells us how old she actually was at the time of the Nativity.”

Also,“Jewish maidens were considered marriageable at the age of twelve years and six months, though the actual age of the bride varied with circumstances. The marriage was preceded by the betrothal, after which the bride legally belonged to the bridegroom, though she did not live with him till about a year later, when the marriage used to be celebrated.”

Therefore, Mary was at least 13 or 14 when she gave birth, and for all we know, she may have been 17 or 18. Her age is not recorded.

We also know the period of betrothal was a year. Finally, we know Mary was past puberty as she gave birth to a son.

There is a huge difference between Mary at age 13 and Asha at age 9. Go compare a girl in the 3rd grade with one in the 8th. Perhaps then you'll understand.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#27 May 12, 2008
tolivr wrote:
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Mary's age:
In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly misreported in the narratives of the incident. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayesha's (ra) age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are:

Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.

It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy-one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medinah for seventy-one years.

Tehzeeb al-Tehzeeb, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq (Vol. 11, pg. 48 - 51).

Meezaan al-Ai`tidaal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly (Vol. 4, pg. 301 - 302).
According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (ra) was born about eight years before Hijrah. However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an , was revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th Surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha (ra) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not even only an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why should we not accept this narrative to be more accurate.

According to a number of narratives, Ayesha (ra) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden upon them.

According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma (ra) died in the 73rd year after hijrah[2] when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in the 73rd year after hijrah, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra)- if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.
debunker

Hayward, CA

#28 May 13, 2008
tolivr wrote:
<quoted text>
What evidence have you that Mary was 11 or 12 when she gave birth? I've never seen such information.
We do know, however, that mohammed was having sex with a 9 year old child. That makes him a pedophile.
i believe the jews say Mary was 14 years old when she gave birth
debunker

Hayward, CA

#29 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary the Mother of Jesus
From Mary Fairchild,
Your Guide to Christianity.
Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.
http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
Now I ask you 12 years old is indeed awfully young Little Girl so I ask you would that make Jesus father pedophile.
oyu're messed up. just like most muslims. get a a life

it says in the koran that Mary's was a virgin birth and yet i don't know how many of you f-heads are always trying to corrupt it. it's really pathetic of you. burn in hell muz
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#30 May 13, 2008
debunker wrote:
<quoted text>oyu're messed up. just like most muslims. get a a life
it says in the koran that Mary's was a virgin birth and yet i don't know how many of you f-heads are always trying to corrupt it. it's really pathetic of you. burn in hell muz
I didn't say she was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus and I didn't say she was 11 when she engaged to a carpenter named Joseph.Christian told us she was 12 and 11 and Joseph was indeed very old Man and I say if we judge Joseph and the father of Jesus according to the "standards of our time like you all judge Mohamed Joseph will be in Jail.What’s good for the goose is good for the gander you cannot have double stander.

http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
tolivr

Montgomery, AL

#31 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
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I didn't say she was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus and I didn't say she was 11 when she engaged to a carpenter named Joseph.Christian told us she was 12 and 11 and Joseph was indeed very old Man and I say if we judge Joseph and the father of Jesus according to the "standards of our time like you all judge Mohamed Joseph will be in Jail.What’s good for the goose is good for the gander you cannot have double stander.
http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
There's a rather large difference between a 9 year old little girl and a 14 year old. Try comparing a girl in the 3rd grade with one in the 9th and you'll hopefully understand that.
tolivr

Montgomery, AL

#32 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
<quoted text>
In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly misreported in the narratives of the incident. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening.
She was playing with dolls when she was married to Mohammed. Muslim girls of age were not allowed to do so.

Every authority, written by Muslims who adored Mohammed, and there are more than one, state she was 9.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#33 May 13, 2008
Dude would you give your 11 years old daughter to 91 years old.Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph

Read this

From Mary Fairchild,
Your Guide to Christianity.
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Mary - Profile of Mary the Mother of Jesus from the New Testament:

Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.

http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#34 May 13, 2008
tolivr wrote:
<quoted text>
She was playing with dolls when she was married to Mohammed. Muslim girls of age were not allowed to do so.
Every authority, written by Muslims who adored Mohammed, and there are more than one, state she was 9.
According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma (ra) died in the 73rd year after hijrah[2] when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in the 73rd year after hijrah, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra)- if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage
tolivr

Montgomery, AL

#35 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
<quoted text>
According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma (ra) died in the 73rd year after hijrah[2] when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in the 73rd year after hijrah, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra)- if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage
Strange that a 17 or 28 year old would have been playing with dolls when it is prohibited by Islam. Strange that EVERY SINGLE writer who addressed the subject of Aisha's age ALL said she was 6 when married and 9 when the marriage was consummated.

The new standard for reliability of the hadith:

If it makes Mohammed look great, it is authentic. If it makes Mohammed look bad, it is not authentic.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#36 May 13, 2008
tolivr wrote:
<quoted text>
She was playing with dolls when she was married to Mohammed. Muslim girls of age were not allowed to do so.
Every authority, written by Muslims who adored Mohammed, and there are more than one, state she was 9.
tolivr Did Mary Have Other Children?

One of the more controversial teachings of the Catholic Church deals with the perpetual virginity of Mary. This doctrine maintains that Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus, and that biblical references suggesting Jesus had siblings are really references to cousins (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 510).

http://www.carm.org/catholic/brothers.htm
tolivr

Montgomery, AL

#37 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
Dude would you give your 11 years old daughter to 91 years old.Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph
Read this
From Mary Fairchild,
Your Guide to Christianity.
FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now!
Mary - Profile of Mary the Mother of Jesus from the New Testament:
Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.
http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
Exactly who is Mary Fairchild? Is she the Pope? Is she a reknowned religious historian?

The Catholic Encyclopedia states mary was perhaps 14 when she gave birth to Christ, but there is no written record. She could have been 16 or 20. No one will know. But there are written records--many of them--all stating Mohammed was having sex with a 9 year old.

As for Joseph, what is your authority he was 91? Did you make that up?
Mark

Rahway, NJ

#38 May 13, 2008
Djama wrote:
Dude would you give your 11 years old daughter to 91 years old.Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph
Read this
From Mary Fairchild,
Your Guide to Christianity.
FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now!
Mary - Profile of Mary the Mother of Jesus from the New Testament:
Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.
http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestament...
How old Mary was when she had Jesus is unknown. It's mere speculation to say that she was 11, 12 or 18, etc.

One thing we do know, however, is that according to the Quran Muhammad slept with a 9-year-old little girl--Aisha. The fact that he took Aisha when she was 6 years old against her father's will is bad enough. So, don't make excuses for your prophet by diverting attention away from him by making unsupported claims regarding Mary's age when she had Jesus.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#39 May 13, 2008
tolivr wrote:
<quoted text>
Strange that a 17 or 28 year old would have been playing with dolls when it is prohibited by Islam. Strange that EVERY SINGLE writer who addressed the subject of Aisha's age ALL said she was 6 when married and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
The new standard for reliability of the hadith:
If it makes Mohammed look great, it is authentic. If it makes Mohammed look bad, it is not authentic.
How do you know she was playing with dolls may be you were when of the wise man Look you can't give me a definitive answer as to whether Marry was 11,12,13 or 14 Nor can I give you whether Aisha was 9,15 or 28 Only God knows According to the early Islamic historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Aisha's father tried to spare her the dangers and discomfort of the journey by solemnizing her marriage to her fiance, Jubayr ibn Mut'im, son of Mut‘im ibn ‘Adi. However, Mut’am refused to honor the long-standing betrothal, as he did not wish his family to be connected to the Muslim outcasts. The emigration to Ethiopia proved temporary and Abu Bakr's family returned to Mecca within a few years. Aisha was then betrothed to Muhammad.for as I told you before,I love Jesus and his Mother Tremendously,I would never blaspheme against them.
Djama

Hopkins, MN

#41 May 13, 2008
Mark wrote:
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How old Mary was when she had Jesus is unknown. It's mere speculation to say that she was 11, 12 or 18, etc.
One thing we do know, however, is that according to the Quran Muhammad slept with a 9-year-old little girl--Aisha. The fact that he took Aisha when she was 6 years old against her father's will is bad enough. So, don't make excuses for your prophet by diverting attention away from him by making unsupported claims regarding Mary's age when she had Jesus.
You are right No one is sure whether Marry was 11,12 or 18 but if I want Joseph or God look bad I would pick up the 11 on the other hand if I want Joseph and God look good I Will say she was 14 now
There is absolutely no verse in the entire Quran that says Muhammad slept with a 9-year-old little girl--Aisha Pls show me where and do you know the hadith were created 200 years after Muhummand died. Therefore, they have been falsely attributed to him. therefor, they are HEARSAY. In a court of law, "hearsay" is inadmissible as it is completely unreliable.but for you Mark you want Mohamed look bad therefore,No matter what Muslims say she will always be 9 as atheist will say Marry was 11 and you will say otherwise.

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