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wealthy

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Mar 27, 2007
 
OH NO IT CAN'T BE ......NO HERE IN AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL!!!
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Mar 27, 2007
 
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Mar 27, 2007
 
wealthy wrote:
OH NO IT CAN'T BE ......NO HERE IN AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL!!!
No this is not Europe. We wont let that happen in this great nation. The Islamofascists are just seeing how far they can push. Pretty soon they will go too far and will be dealt with. Now Canada. That's another story.

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Mar 27, 2007
 
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No this is not Europe. We wont let that happen in this great nation. The Islamofascists are just seeing how far they can push. Pretty soon they will go too far and will be dealt with. Now Canada. That's another story.
The pretext of Shariah law is against our constitution in it's entirety. Cruel and unusual punishment and freedom of religion both work against it as does the right to keep and bear arms. People would have a hard time stoning people while under a firefight.

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Mar 27, 2007
 
I think western people are new to democracy and freedom. The degree to which sharia will be applied in the west will be limited and balanced by the democratic system. The only way sharia will be applied 100% is when all westerns become Muslims. You have no right to physically oppose the democratic system since this would be considered terrorism. I think you all share some of the mentality of bin laden.
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Mar 27, 2007
 
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I think western people are new to democracy and freedom. The degree to which sharia will be applied in the west will be limited and balanced by the democratic system. The only way sharia will be applied 100% is when all westerns become Muslims. You have no right to physically oppose the democratic system since this would be considered terrorism. I think you all share some of the mentality of bin laden.
A democratic system by its nature is not "balanced" or "fair" except to the majority (ie, 51%). Most Americans don't recognize that we are not a democracy but a representative republic. Unless more Americans understand the difference, we will continue to see freedoms erode and true democracy will replace our current system (and Constitution).

The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individualís God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.

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Mar 30, 2007
 
OBAMA'S PLAN IS TO IMPOSE SHARIA LAW ON AMERICA ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE US AND PUT BURKAS ON OUR LOVELY WOMEN.
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Apr 1, 2007
 
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You have no right to physically oppose the democratic system since this would be considered terrorism.
and Muslims have no right to come here and demand anything other than what the country already has. If you come here ten live by OUR laws, if you do not want to do that you are free to pick your sorry azz up and move on.

ain't democracy great!
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Apr 1, 2007
 
"You have no right to physically oppose the democratic system since this would be considered terrorism. I think you all share some of the mentality of bin laden."

If you impose democracy then you are imposing something good, Osama imposed something bad, there is a difference.

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Apr 1, 2007
 

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When you all realize that Christianity gave to us the freedom to develop like America has, not Islam, not Catholicism, not Buddhism, nor did Athiesm give to humanity the most advanced civilization the world has ever known, when you realize it America, you will start to see the debt owed to Protestant Christianity.

If you take the major doctrine in Islam, the belief that theirs is the only religion, stand it up to our country's Constitution their religion cannot stand, nor could their religion have created America.

Why does America embrace, or attempt to embrace an ancient enemy of Christianity such as Muslims? Doesn't that seem a little ridiculous? Peoples who come here need to conform to freedom, not take my freedom away.

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Proud American wrote:
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and Muslims have no right to come here and demand anything other than what the country already has. If you come here ten live by OUR laws, if you do not want to do that you are free to pick your sorry azz up and move on.

ain't democracy great!
that is very stupid and primitive thinking

the American law and constitution changes continuously to adapt to the changes in time. this is why the democratic system exists. to facilitate the changing by participation of all Americans (muslims, christians, hindus, atheists,...etc)

there is no such thing as "our laws"

if there is, then i would stick to the law of the native indians
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Apr 2, 2007
 
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that is very stupid and primitive thinking

the American law and constitution changes continuously to adapt to the changes in time. this is why the democratic system exists. to facilitate the changing by participation of all Americans (muslims, christians, hindus, atheists,...etc)

there is no such thing as "our laws"

if there is, then i would stick to the law of the native indians
There is such a thing as "our laws" .. Western laws are basically built upon christian beliefs .. they are not based upon hindu, jain, rastafarian, buddhist beliefs ...

And so they cannot .. and never will .. be based upon a very punitive system such as sharia law, which is totally out of tune with good law ...

they law may be an ass occasionally .. and be unfair to some people .. but sharia law ... that would be going down the slippery slope to absolute armageddon ... It would be a tragedy for the west if it were to happen ..

I can only pray it would never never happen in the west that such laws, even "modified" be put in place ...

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Apr 2, 2007
 
Danetoo wrote:
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There is such a thing as "our laws" .. Western laws are basically built upon christian beliefs .. they are not based upon hindu, jain, rastafarian, buddhist beliefs ...

And so they cannot .. and never will .. be based upon a very punitive system such as sharia law, which is totally out of tune with good law ...

they law may be an ass occasionally .. and be unfair to some people .. but sharia law ... that would be going down the slippery slope to absolute armageddon ... It would be a tragedy for the west if it were to happen ..

I can only pray it would never never happen in the west that such laws, even "modified" be put in place ...
since muslims are minority, sharia will only influence current law under the rights of minorities
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Apr 3, 2007
 
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since muslims are minority, sharia will only influence current law under the rights of minorities
"rights of minorities" ... very well then ...

So we bring back chopping off heads and hanging under sharia law for minorities?? LOL .

Get REAL there ... sharia law will be opposed by absolutely everyone in the US .. perhaps except muslims, but I hope they get voted out by a huge majority ..

I hope there are more sane muslims than insane ..

I hope the examples we see in here are the most extreme and that the majority really are nice and hard working people who just want to live in peace and harmony and not impose any ancient koranic laws upon others ...

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Apr 3, 2007
 
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"rights of minorities" ... very well then ...

So we bring back chopping off heads and hanging under sharia law for minorities?? LOL .

Get REAL there ... sharia law will be opposed by absolutely everyone in the US .. perhaps except muslims, but I hope they get voted out by a huge majority ..

I hope there are more sane muslims than insane ..

I hope the examples we see in here are the most extreme and that the majority really are nice and hard working people who just want to live in peace and harmony and not impose any ancient koranic laws upon others ...
thank you for the complement

ancient Quranic laws .... i like the expression

Islam is to stay and never change. the ancient Quranic laws are what every muslim believes in because it is part of the 5 pillars of faith. in other words whoever believes in progressive reform is not a muslim.

if they are voted out by majority, then that is fine because this is democracy.
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Apr 3, 2007
 
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thank you for the complement

ancient Quranic laws .... i like the expression

Islam is to stay and never change. the ancient Quranic laws are what every muslim believes in because it is part of the 5 pillars of faith. in other words whoever believes in progressive reform is not a muslim.

if they are voted out by majority, then that is fine because this is democracy.
Whoever does not believe in Progressive Reform is not a muslim ...

This tells me an awful lot more than I really wanted to hear ...

This has confirmed every prejudice I might have had about islam .. that I hoped was just a silly prejudice, which hopefully I could get educated out of ... because I dont like being prejudiced against anything or anyone.

I had hoped that this forum was all a bit of an exaggeration .. but someone has actually said it now ...

Any progressive reform .. is simply not possible, because it would no longer be islam .. any muslim practising any kind of reform, is no longer considered a muslim by his "brothers and sisters" ...

I take this to mean then that all muslims ... even the terrorists ... are good muslims, because they are, after all, only following koranic law ... Because there are koranic laws calling .. in fact, demanding, killings of infidels ... i.e., people who are not muslims ...

There are ugly passages saying that muslims cannot take friends people of a different faith ... And I take it if they do, then they are no longer real muslims, because they would then be progressive, because they would change something as "unsuitable" in the koran and hadith ...

I think you have just stated one of the most important and divisive things on this forum ... because by that, I am sadly no longer in doubt that there can be no real understanding, common ground and dialogue .. Simply because you and your "brothers and sisters" do not want it to be so ...

You do not want to reach an understanding .. you want to live here, benefit from our way of life, our civilisation .. and yet, you want to live entirely separate lives that are completely and totally out of tune with western civilisation ...

Tell me now please ... Why exactly do you want to be in the west? I know it sounds horrible, even to my ears to say that .. but I really and truly do not understand why you would wish to live here when your entire basic outlook on life is in such total contrast to the country(ies) in which you live ...

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Apr 3, 2007
 
koranic law does not call for killing nonbelievers ........ get smarter

bin laden is not following quran ..... get smarter

quran does not forbid from having nonbelievers as friends ... get smarter

you are a racist and very stupid. i have been very clear from the start that the miracle of islam is quran. once we start changing in quran then we do not believe in the quran and thus we are not muslims.

islam does not forbid me from coexisting with nonmuslims. i can still coexist with nonmuslims without changing my beliefs.

i am not morally or ethically benefiting from the west. i am only benefiting by working and receiving salary. the west in return is benefiting from my service. i consider myself part of the society.

do not expect me to reach understanding by changing my beliefs. since you are the one who is practicing progressive reform then you are the one who can change his beliefs to find a common ground.

i live in the west because i like to. i have no problem with living with nonmuslims. i like the experience. you do not own the west. if you do not like my words, then move to a small village with your alike and practice whatever of religious intolerance you have.

this is my last post to you. you are here to confirm your prejudice. you said it yourself.
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Apr 4, 2007
 
sam_peace wrote:
koranic law does not call for killing nonbelievers ........ get smarter

bin laden is not following quran ..... get smarter

quran does not forbid from having nonbelievers as friends ... get smarter

you are a racist and very stupid. i have been very clear from the start that the miracle of islam is quran. once we start changing in quran then we do not believe in the quran and thus we are not muslims.

islam does not forbid me from coexisting with nonmuslims. i can still coexist with nonmuslims without changing my beliefs.

i am not morally or ethically benefiting from the west. i am only benefiting by working and receiving salary. the west in return is benefiting from my service. i consider myself part of the society.

do not expect me to reach understanding by changing my beliefs. since you are the one who is practicing progressive reform then you are the one who can change his beliefs to find a common ground.

i live in the west because i like to. i have no problem with living with nonmuslims. i like the experience. you do not own the west. if you do not like my words, then move to a small village with your alike and practice whatever of religious intolerance you have.

this is my last post to you. you are here to confirm your prejudice. you said it yourself.
A documentary about islam was shown on a very liberal channel a few months ago .. here in the UK.

UK is extremely liberal, has anti racist laws in place and is not "afraid of islam" in the least ...

Anyway, the documentary had been made by a team of muslims who were worried about what was going on in their midsts .. so secret filming was done in a number of large main stream mosques - who, by muslims, were held up as a shining light to understanding of islam and muslims.

The secret filming showed imams thundering against zionists, jews, christians .. "take them not as friends" .. "The Kuffars" were dirty and one should avoid them as far as possible .. as friends.

There was thundering speeches in general against the west ... there were calls for sharia law being implemented in the UK ... there were thundering speeches against western non muslim women ...

It was a scary one hour documentary .. and it opened the eyes of a lot of people.

You say you are co-existing, that you love it here, that you work and contribute. That is good. I have no problems, as hopefully no people have.

However, you can deny all you like those angry horrible words in koran and / or hadith ... they exist ... they are being preached in a lot of mainstream mosques ... I heard it. I saw it.

If koran and islam is so peaceful, why are muslims so fanatical and angry?

Why can there be no reforms to moderate things a bit? Not change the koran, just change the way it is being practised ...??

I dont understand the inability to even begin to understand and accept the reluctance of non muslims to "love and embrace islam" ...

Why cant you understand that, and take every criticism of islam as "hate" ...

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Apr 4, 2007
 
Danetoo wrote:
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A documentary about islam was shown on a very liberal channel a few months ago .. here in the UK.

UK is extremely liberal, has anti racist laws in place and is not "afraid of islam" in the least ...

Anyway, the documentary had been made by a team of muslims who were worried about what was going on in their midsts .. so secret filming was done in a number of large main stream mosques - who, by muslims, were held up as a shining light to understanding of islam and muslims.

The secret filming showed imams thundering against zionists, jews, christians .. "take them not as friends" .. "The Kuffars" were dirty and one should avoid them as far as possible .. as friends.

There was thundering speeches in general against the west ... there were calls for sharia law being implemented in the UK ... there were thundering speeches against western non muslim women ...

It was a scary one hour documentary .. and it opened the eyes of a lot of people.

You say you are co-existing, that you love it here, that you work and contribute. That is good. I have no problems, as hopefully no people have.

However, you can deny all you like those angry horrible words in koran and / or hadith ... they exist ... they are being preached in a lot of mainstream mosques ... I heard it. I saw it.

If koran and islam is so peaceful, why are muslims so fanatical and angry?

Why can there be no reforms to moderate things a bit? Not change the koran, just change the way it is being practised ...??

I dont understand the inability to even begin to understand and accept the reluctance of non muslims to "love and embrace islam" ...

Why cant you understand that, and take every criticism of islam as "hate" ...
those people are putting the Quran out of context because they hate jews and christians. their interpretations do not represent Islam. Only Quran and Hadith represent Islam. now that there is a proof of their hatred, take them to court and ban them from the country.

“Yabetcha”

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Apr 4, 2007
 
Dear Uncle.

I just heard that you killed people.
Dad says you had to so because they are evil and kill people too.
Mommy said that you are a herow and you did what had to be done.

Is religun really trying to kill religun? I thought God loved all of us so why is there killing for it?

I know I'm 9 and i know i'm not smart as you but still i'm scared of death and death making people. did god tell those people to kill me?

Alright you Muslim sonsabitches. How do I answer my nephew??????

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