kILL SAYS THE BIBLE!

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Since: Jun 08

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#1 Jul 13, 2008
You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.(Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Since: Jun 08

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#2 Jul 13, 2008
Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon.(Judges 20:48 NAB)

ALL CITIES THEY DESTROYED

Since: Jun 08

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#3 Jul 13, 2008
More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.(Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.(Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Since: Jun 08

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#4 Jul 13, 2008
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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#5 Jul 13, 2008
So you found a passage .. good on you ... but here is what your Quaran states, or is this lies as well???

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)..."

But of course there will be a come back to say that we have misunderstood what the Quaran was actually saying ... but we understand it fully.

Since: Jun 08

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#6 Jul 13, 2008
Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Since: Jun 08

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#7 Jul 13, 2008
AussieChristian wrote:
So you found a passage .. good on you ... but here is what your Quaran states, or is this lies as well???
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]
9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)..."
But of course there will be a come back to say that we have misunderstood what the Quaran was actually saying ... but we understand it fully.
i never said the Bible was lying and i never stated that to kill the believers of false gods was wrong, i said that they both say it(Bible and the Qur'an), because i was confronted with the hadith and the Qur'an where it says kill disbelievers, even though they were talking about the pagan arabs. and i provided more than one passage, so maybe you can read the others.

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Since: Jun 08

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#8 Jul 13, 2008
Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.(Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

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#9 Jul 13, 2008
Well its so nice that you are reading the bible to find these quotes... are you going to convert to being a christian ..
but if anything it really shows that all you are doing is finding death and destruction.. a true muslim who has that on there mind.

Love and peace, turn the other check, love thy neighbour etc etc etc

Since: Jun 08

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#10 Jul 13, 2008
Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Since: Jun 08

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#12 Jul 13, 2008
AussieChristian wrote:
Well its so nice that you are reading the bible to find these quotes... are you going to convert to being a christian ..
but if anything it really shows that all you are doing is finding death and destruction.. a true muslim who has that on there mind.
Love and peace, turn the other check, love thy neighbour etc etc etc
i didn't read the Bible to find these quotes, i used to be a christian so i already know these quotes. what has forced me to put them here is the fact that people claim Muhammad was not a prophet, and they say he raped and killed without just cause. he didn't rape anyone, but if he did or allowed it then so did your beloved Moses and thus God (of the Bible) was his accomplice

Since: Jun 08

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#15 Jul 14, 2008
JESUS IS wrote:
CRUELTY IN THE QURAN:
"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244
"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.(But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)" 2:191-2
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That is my whole point, you all keep trying to use these verses to promote your cause that the Qur'an cannot be from God Because it say kill the disbelievers and such, but the Bible has the same things and the verse you quote was meant for the pagan Arabs who had ran them out of Mecca and fought against them. you take the verses otu of context and if you look at any Tafsir of the Qur'an you will see it is not General, it is specific to the pagan arabs, it is only general when the same acts are committed against muslims.

Since: Jun 08

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#16 Jul 14, 2008
JESUS IS wrote:
"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89
"If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant." 4:91
my question was how can God and Moses approve of these actions no matter if it was a thousand years ago or now. If it is good to spread the authority over the land in the name of God in the old times then it is always. but that does not mean to kill innocents or non-believers, most of the Hadith you quote and Qur'anic verses are aimed at the Pagan Arabs of the time, not for everyone. never can a hadith be shown that Muhammad or Allah said to kill all people who are not Muslim and there are other Hadith and verses to coincide with this. it was aimed at the pagan arabs and specifically talks about them as:

The Qur'an:2.191: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith
And:

2.192 : But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
And:

002.193 : And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
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There are similar Hadith and verses to these. this says fight them if they fight you, but if they cease, then do not fight them.
Yankee Doodle

Hillsboro, MO

#17 Jul 14, 2008
If you want to argue with the Old Testament go to a Jewish site. Most of the people engaging you here are Christians.

We know that ancient Hebrew culture/religion was genocidal, violent, just like Islam today. That is why Jesus reformed and revolutionized our thinking and understanding of God.

If you want an ancient, violent, barbarian belief system, then stick with Islam, which is a retrograde apostatic sect of Judaism that restores all the things that Jesus removed like: stoning for adultery or for violation of the sabbath.

You tu quoque reasoning is washed up and after so much back and forth, it is pathetic.
Yankee Doodle

Hillsboro, MO

#19 Jul 14, 2008
Abu Noah

A Muhmammadan only stops fighting when the other side agrees to be humiliated, pay the jizya or gets killed or converts. Otherwise, fighting is enjoined eternally on you Muhammadans.

The Jewish story is the story of a people and their "finite" piece of land. Jews are not enjoined to spread Judaism over the whole earth. Jews are not enjoined to fight and fight and be killed for Jehovah until there is no other religion on the earth but Judaism.

Now, with Islamic supremacism on the move, and the injunction on Muhammadans to keep metastasizing and reproducing, we see that the survival of Israel and the survival of Jews, is indeed the lynch pin for a harmonious world were people are forced to accept each other in spite of profound differences.

Since: Jun 08

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#21 Jul 14, 2008
Yankee Doodle wrote:
If you want to argue with the Old Testament go to a Jewish site. Most of the people engaging you here are Christians.
We know that ancient Hebrew culture/religion was genocidal, violent, just like Islam today. That is why Jesus reformed and revolutionized our thinking and understanding of God.
If you want an ancient, violent, barbarian belief system, then stick with Islam, which is a retrograde apostatic sect of Judaism that restores all the things that Jesus removed like: stoning for adultery or for violation of the sabbath.
You tu quoque reasoning is washed up and after so much back and forth, it is pathetic.
i know you don't like it but it's the Bible:

All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

“...the scripture cannot be broken.”--Jesus Christ, John 10:35


you say that you don't have to obey the OT, but the New Testament says otherwise.

Since: Jun 08

United States

#22 Jul 14, 2008
JESUS IS wrote:
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AND YOU QUOTE VERSES FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT WHICH IS ABOUT GOD'S FIRST COVENANT GIVEN TO MOSES, and always fail to use these quotes:
Ezekiel 33:11 I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live.
Ezekiel 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
YOU ALSO IGNORE THE FACT THAT GOD DELIVERED A NEW COVENANT WITH JESUS:
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Matthew

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers.
John 3:36 :He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
Yankee Doodle

Hillsboro, MO

#23 Jul 14, 2008
abu n

Get a copy of the Mishnah regarding the Sabbath and you will get a better feel for the bondage that the Pharisees had placed God's people under. Jesus put it this way: "You experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them" (Luke 11:46).

All of the conflicts that Jesus had with the Jews regarding the Sabbath related to these additions to the Word of God. Picking grain to eat with your hand was defined by the Pharisees as "reaping," therefore the Pharisees said, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath!" (Matthew 12:2). Unlawful? The only violation was the violation of their man-made additions to the law (see Mishnah, Sabbath 7:4; 7:2).

It is easy to mistake Jesus' attacks on the Pharisees' tradition, as attacks on God's Word. This is one of those cases. Another prime example is in the sermon on the mount where Jesus seems to be changing the Old Testament law. But what is really going on here is Jesus rebuking the Pharisee's misinterpretation and additions to the law. See Matthew 5:43 for instance. In each case (whether it is Sabbath controversies or Sermon on the Mount) Jesus is merely teaching the true meaning of Old Testament commands.

"Man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man" is not in conflict with Scripture and Mosaic law. It is only in conflict with the Pharisees' traditions. By means of their hairsplitting legalism the Pharisees were constantly burying God's law under the heavy load of their traditions and robbing men of the joy of Sabbath rest.

Jesus never violated any Old Testament Scripture regarding the Sabbath that I am aware of.
Yankee Doodle

Hillsboro, MO

#24 Jul 14, 2008
abu n

I think you're beginning to see the difference between Islam and Christianity.

Christianity is a collective, evolved, intelligent faith that deviated from its Jewish roots but flowered into a magnificent salvational vehicle thanks to its founder and inspiration Jesus.

Judaism is an archaic, stuck-in-the-mud collection of ritual and text. But it is harmless; or may be a great blessing to the world. Certainly Judaism gave great blessings to civilization.

Islam is an apostatic branch of Judaism with a supremacist and intolerant ideological foundation that is an EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO CIVILIZATION.
Superwit

Lancaster, PA

#25 Jul 14, 2008
hohohohohohoho dimwitsh in their millions hahahahhahaha

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