Muslim made bomb threat to English Defence League "for a laugh"

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“CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS or british
“1) Theologically-no…Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
“2) Religiously-no…Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam.(Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
“3) Scripturally-no…Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the
Firstly, I don't know anyone in British that says they love England and that if they could they wouldn't jump on the first flight out of here. plus, God and a bit of land? God who made the land? Or the land that is easily destroyed...hmmm.
Secondly, just because we believe that Islam is the only true religion now we can't be British?
Thirdly, what does being British scriptually even mean what on earth.
Quadruply (:o?), once again this makes no sense as how can some one be geographically tied to there country. People leave to go to other countries for a reason because they prefer them. No one has holidays in Britain anymore, hardly anyone so are they now not geographically allied? On top of that we turn to Mecca to pray to the qibla, does that mean we fly to it daily? Allah has asked us to do that so we do. Your actually so gassed its unbelievable.
socially, actually if we aren't allowed to make friends with them how are we supposed to give dawah. Its only for our own good because they may start to affect seen but at the same time the prophet (saw) not all his companions were Muslim. On top of that, Muslims are supposed to treat their neighbours like they are family, even the non Muslim ones, at the end of the day I love my best friend but it doesn't mean I love it if she smokes etc. Same way I love my other friend doesn't mean I love it when she prays to Jesus etc. We are just not to get to influenced by them. We are allowed to be friends with them as men are allowed to marry them.
6. Politcally, we are only supposed to submit to Allah and we bow down to nobody except Allah. Islamic law is something in the religion and it is a fair and just law that is punishable if need be. For example a rapist would be killed, people see this as too much but if you set the example who's going to do it in the end. Nobody should be raped and its because people don't crack down on these little minor crimes like theft that they allow big ones to happen. Also, just because we are Muslim we still are supposed to blend in. So we do vote for who our country leader will be because at the end of the day we live here and we want a say. I don't believe Allah will punish us for that.
Domestically, yes , because he can only marry 4 wives if he can treat them all equally and fairly and he is instructed to treat his wife with the utmost respect and that word what people translate as beat is not beat at all but the English language is limited.
Intellectually, knowledge is knowledge, which we are encouraged to gain. don't be fooled, the countries are more athiest han christian.
9. I dont even know what your on about.
10. The 99 names of Allah are just the one mentioned in the Quran. Also, Al- wadud. A.k.a the loving one.
After much study? Right. You didn't even know his 99 names, I bet you haven't even read them. Please.
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Having read the koran along with a few of the innumerable haiths it is obvious that islam ticks all the boxes for "hate speech".
Objecting against a cult which kills even members of differing sections within it as apostates is not racist, it is common sense and survival.
It would seem you know less about yopur own religion than many of those protesting against it.
Whether you have read the Qur'an or not, unless you can read Arabic, means nothing. Things in the Qur'an that can be expressed in Arabic cannot be expressed in the English language and so the translation is usually incorrect or at least not getting and coveying the TRUE meaning. You have probably also approached the Qur'an with an already closed mind. Please present some "hate speech" verses to me please.
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A BOMB hoaxer sparked a security alert days before a controversial right-wing group marched through Bristol.
A court heard Sakander Mahmood sent a message to the English Defence League saying: "Fourteenth July in Bristol – You are getting bombed."
The threat to bomb the demonstration was made "just for a laugh", it is claimed – but was taken "very seriously" by police and the EDL, a volunteer for the organisation has told a jury.
The EDL march from Redcliffe Wharf to Queen Square, staged to protest at what it called the "Islamification" of Bristol, was the focus of a huge police operation to keep supporters of the right-wing group and anti-fascist counter demonstrators apart.
More than 1,000 officers from forces across the UK were on the streets of the city and two were injured in violent clashes. The operation cost the taxpayer about Ł500,000.
Police estimated about 300 EDL took part, with about 500 attending a counter-demonstration called We Are Bristol.
Yesterday a court heard that 26-year-old Mahmood, who lives in Sheffield, South Yorkshire, had the idea of making the threat after reading online that a car containing explosives had been intercepted on its way to another EDL rally.
Samuel Green, prosecuting, told the city's Crown Court how Mahmood told police who came to his home: "Yes. Hands up. Just for a laugh. They've got a march. I've put on a bomb threat."
He said the defendant claimed he got the idea for the bomb threat as he was on the internet and saw a news item, dated July 10, about the bomb found in a car on the motorway.
Mr Green said there was no suggestion the defendant was connected in any way to the motorway incident.
But Helen Gower, the personal assistant of EDL leader Tommy Robinson, told the court she was "very distressed" when the email sent to the group's website was forwarded to her on July 11, the day after Mahmood sent it.
Asked how seriously the organisation took the threat, Mrs Gower said: "Very seriously."
Mrs Gower, who gave evidence over a videolink from Kent, said she was concerned because the style of the email was similar to that used by Muslim hacking groups who had attacked the EDL website before.
She said she also feared for EDL supporters due to gather in Bristol.
Mrs Gower was asked about the news reports of a car stopped on the M1, a week before the threat was received. The car reportedly contained a nail bomb intended for use against the EDL.
Mrs Gower said the organisation decided that bomb threats should always be reported to police after the incident on the M1. She added that the EDL had received between 15 and 20 bomb threats through its website since 2010.
Mr Green told the jury it was irrelevant whether they agreed with the EDL and said the issue they had to decide was Mahmood's state of mind when he sent the email. He said he defendant must have realised the message would cause "fear, inconvenience and panic".
No doubt that was the idea.
Mahmood denies a charge of communicating a bomb hoax....
Are his parents first cousins? It would explain a lot.

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Whether you have read the Qur'an or not, unless you can read Arabic, means nothing. Things in the Qur'an that can be expressed in Arabic cannot be expressed in the English language and so the translation is usually incorrect or at least not getting and coveying the TRUE meaning. You have probably also approached the Qur'an with an already closed mind. Please present some "hate speech" verses to me please.
So since i have been brought up with english as my first language, even if i learn Arabic i still wouldnt understand the quran, well if the words dont translate into english how would i understand in arabic when you clearly say there is no possibility to translate it. So since it was my first of the 3 holy books i read, i had a close mind to it??? Talk about presumptuous. And to top it off it wasnt even translated right. odd they couldnt find a word closer to what it is supposed to mean with a language that has over 150,000 words, not including obsolete words or slang.
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I see you are heavily indoctrinated.
Why is the book not titled "Muslims being being kind and gentle to non-muslims"?
"Cause they're only kind and gentle to each other - sometimes. Ever notice that muslims brag about their charitable giving but only give to muslim causes? Only westernized muslims occasionally give to causes that don't benefit fellow muslims.

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george whyte wrote:
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“CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS or british
“1) Theologically-no…Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
“2) Religiously-no…Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam.(Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
“3) Scripturally-no…Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
“4) Geographically-no…Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
“5) Socially-no…Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
George you might have to redo this so that one person can understand what you meant. since by it's answers it has no clue exactly what you meant. or unless it intentionally replied that way.
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<quoted text> So since i have been brought up with english as my first language, even if i learn Arabic i still wouldnt understand the quran, well if the words dont translate into english how would i understand in arabic when you clearly say there is no possibility to translate it. So since it was my first of the 3 holy books i read, i had a close mind to it??? Talk about presumptuous. And to top it off it wasnt even translated right. odd they couldnt find a word closer to what it is supposed to mean with a language that has over 150,000 words, not including obsolete words or slang.
Why bother translating the koran? If anyone is truly interested in what it says they should put in the time to learn arabic first. So, we should assume that new muslim girl has put in the time because if she doesn't know arabic she converted on 'hear say'. Why would anyone convert without studying the koran in arabic? According to NMG all translations are flawed. I don't think I'd gamble my salvation on a flawed translation.

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<quoted text>Why bother translating the koran? If anyone is truly interested in what it says they should put in the time to learn arabic first. So, we should assume that new muslim girl has put in the time because if she doesn't know arabic she converted on 'hear say'. Why would anyone convert without studying the koran in arabic? According to NMG all translations are flawed. I don't think I'd gamble my salvation on a flawed translation.
I wont accept any religion so you dont have to worry about that from me. And i have no intention on learning arabic, even though i would love to study some ruins in thier countries, and when i do go to another country i learn the language and the laws of the land, and try to fit in. But i rarely see that from people that want into the country i was born in.
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<quoted text> I wont accept any religion so you dont have to worry about that from me. And i have no intention on learning arabic, even though i would love to study some ruins in thier countries, and when i do go to another country i learn the language and the laws of the land, and try to fit in. But i rarely see that from people that want into the country i was born in.
I have no interest in arabic either. There is no reason for me to visit the middle east - what used to appear exotic has turned unappealing in recent years. I have no interest in that violent and hate filled region.

“Tell it as it is.”

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Whether you have read the Qur'an or not, unless you can read Arabic, means nothing. Things in the Qur'an that can be expressed in Arabic cannot be expressed in the English language and so the translation is usually incorrect or at least not getting and coveying the TRUE meaning. You have probably also approached the Qur'an with an already closed mind. Please present some "hate speech" verses to me please.
Only one link in a chain has to be broken to set you free.

Consider..

By definition "God" is all knowing and all-powerful.
Such a god would be able to send a message to mankind that was clear, explicit, incapable of being misinterpreted, and internally consistent.
There would be no internal contradictions or need to have agents to interpret it.

Such a message would be easily translated into any language.

Take a dispassionate look at whichever of the 70 plus sects you belong to. How does it stack up?

“Alea iacta est!”

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Whether you have read the Qur'an or not, unless you can read Arabic, means nothing. Things in the Qur'an that can be expressed in Arabic cannot be expressed in the English language and so the translation is usually incorrect or at least not getting and coveying the TRUE meaning. You have probably also approached the Qur'an with an already closed mind. Please present some "hate speech" verses to me please.
You make the usual case without realizing it, that your 'allah' has defeated himself.

Any real God would not put so many barriers up for the creatures he created to find him know him love him and worship him.

Only the imagined allah does this.

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At the time of Muhammad, poetry was highly revered.

When he wrote the Koran he used poetry. Apparently it is very good poetry!

When some people hear music, they can be “moved”. When some hear poetry they can be “moved”.

Not everybody is “moved” but some are.

The comment:“You cannot understand the Koran except in its original Arabic” is Muslim propaganda. Nothing but propaganda.

Muslims want you to learn Arabic and then read the Koran. Some people will be “moved” and convert to Islam.

I would have thought that a god could get his message across in any language.

“M.A....Rise”

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At the time of Muhammad, poetry was highly revered.
When he wrote the Koran he used poetry. Apparently it is very good poetry!
When some people hear music, they can be “moved”. When some hear poetry they can be “moved”.
Not everybody is “moved” but some are.
The comment:“You cannot understand the Koran except in its original Arabic” is Muslim propaganda. Nothing but propaganda.
Muslims want you to learn Arabic and then read the Koran. Some people will be “moved” and convert to Islam.
I would have thought that a god could get his message across in any language.
Joe: you must be a muslim....try to live as muslim for time and u will taste a great difference
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Whether you have read the Qur'an or not, unless you can read Arabic, means nothing. Things in the Qur'an that can be expressed in Arabic cannot be expressed in the English language and so the translation is usually incorrect or at least not getting and coveying the TRUE meaning. You have probably also approached the Qur'an with an already closed mind. Please present some "hate speech" verses to me please.
Oh horseshit.
You can translate the meaning.
So "new muslim girl" you know Arabic do you?
Like I suspected, you're not a "new muslim girl".
You're a muztard bullshit artist.

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Unloved?

Feeling picked on?

People always having a go at you?

Useless & smelly?

Time to look in the mirror and ask yourself "Am I a Muslim?"
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Joe: you must be a muslim....try to live as muslim for time and u will taste a great difference

“Alea iacta est!”

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Oh horseshit.
You can translate the meaning.
So "new muslim girl" you know Arabic do you?
Like I suspected, you're not a "new muslim girl".
You're a muztard bullshit artist.
Good point.

The whole 'arabic' issue is another nail in Islam's coffin. How can anyone with a semblance of reason believe a god would only convey it's message to one language?

Why do more Muslims not ask themselves about this obvious elephant in the room?
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<quoted text> So since i have been brought up with english as my first language, even if i learn Arabic i still wouldnt understand the quran, well if the words dont translate into english how would i understand in arabic when you clearly say there is no possibility to translate it. So since it was my first of the 3 holy books i read, i had a close mind to it??? Talk about presumptuous. And to top it off it wasnt even translated right. odd they couldnt find a word closer to what it is supposed to mean with a language that has over 150,000 words, not including obsolete words or slang.
And do you know how many words Arabic has? Like I said, as a language English is inferior. They need multiple words to explain one Arabic word. That's where meaning gets lost. That's why its so important for a Muslim to understand the language of our book so we can grasp the full context.
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<quoted text>"Cause they're only kind and gentle to each other - sometimes. Ever notice that muslims brag about their charitable giving but only give to muslim causes? Only westernized muslims occasionally give to causes that don't benefit fellow muslims.
A true Muslim wouldn't tell others of the charity that they give.
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<quoted text>Why bother translating the koran? If anyone is truly interested in what it says they should put in the time to learn arabic first. So, we should assume that new muslim girl has put in the time because if she doesn't know arabic she converted on 'hear say'. Why would anyone convert without studying the koran in arabic? According to NMG all translations are flawed. I don't think I'd gamble my salvation on a flawed translation.
I always turn to tafsir, tafsir that uses the Arabic as a explanation tool, for my understanding of Qur'an and I am learning about the Arabic language.
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You make the usual case without realizing it, that your 'allah' has defeated himself.
Any real God would not put so many barriers up for the creatures he created to find him know him love him and worship him.
Only the imagined allah does this.
What barriers? A language barrier? How hard is it to learn a language? At the same time, understanding Qur'an is easy if you have a heart that believes. Which is easily attainable with obeidience to Allah. There are no barriers.being able to worship Allah is a gift, if you walk towards him he will run towards you and he makes anything for his sake, easy, unless he is testing your faith

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