Islam and Science:Road to Renewal

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THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined.

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mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#191 Feb 17, 2013
Sun with its Solar System also moving on a designated path and that's Quran Revealed this 1400 Years before...Science just proof it now ..
Ex Muslim

Terrace, Canada

#192 Feb 17, 2013
mICHEAL wrote:
Sun with its Solar System also moving on a designated path and that's Quran Revealed this 1400 Years before...Science just proof it now ..
The Qur'an states that the Sun moves around the earth in a "fixed path", and that the Earth is a "fixed abode" and the stars are "missiles that drive away Jinn", which are all completely ridiculous and childish conjectures.

Science proved that the Earth goes around the Sun more than 500 years ago, with the work of Copernicus (which was opposed by a lot of Muslims at the time even). Yet Muslims still reject a lot of what science has proved since then because the Qur'an tells them otherwise. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz, declared a fatwa that the Sun goes around the earth, and anyone who disagrees with the Qur'an is a kafir and infidel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_...

Too many muslims reject things like evolution and the Big Bang, even though there is a plethora of evidence and experiments that support these. Why? Because their Qur'an tells them it is wrong.
Khan

Wichita, KS

#193 Feb 18, 2013
mICHEAL wrote:
Sun with its Solar System also moving on a designated path and that's Quran Revealed this 1400 Years before...Science just proof it now ..
FULL - New - Dr. Zakir Naik - Quran & Modern Science
Please watch this UTUBE:

Religion without Science is Blind – Einstein.

Old Bible Proves Quran is Right
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Now we have proof that the Bible proves the Qur'an is true. This Bible is the Teachings of Jesus, and not stories about The teachings of Jesus. Jesus is not divine, nor the son of God. Truth
Tony Blair's sister converts to Islam. Subscribe Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
• Christianity, a Pagan religion will collapse but the Original teachings of Uncrucified Historical Jesus never collapse at all!
Big question is:
"Where are the Original Bible of Jesus? The Injeel?"
Where where? Muslims have the Original Quran in Muhammad's Language & we have no problems to refer to the actual Words of God! U pagans dont even have Original Sayings of Jesus in Aaremic! Put it this way Emily! Christianity is not the True Religion brought by Historical Uncrucified Jesus ok!

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#194 Feb 18, 2013
Khan wrote:
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FULL - New - Dr. Zakir Naik - Quran & Modern Science
Please watch this UTUBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r5h6CNhtVlsXX
Religion without Science is Blind – Einstein.
Old Bible Proves Quran is Right
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Now we have proof that the Bible proves the Qur'an is true. This Bible is the Teachings of Jesus, and not stories about The teachings of Jesus. Jesus is not divine, nor the son of God. Truth
Tony Blair's sister converts to Islam. Subscribe Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
• Christianity, a Pagan religion will collapse but the Original teachings of Uncrucified Historical Jesus never collapse at all!
Big question is:
"Where are the Original Bible of Jesus? The Injeel?"
Where where? Muslims have the Original Quran in Muhammad's Language & we have no problems to refer to the actual Words of God! U pagans dont even have Original Sayings of Jesus in Aaremic! Put it this way Emily! Christianity is not the True Religion brought by Historical Uncrucified Jesus ok!
Zakir Naik himself stated that evolution is just a "theory" and that Muslims shouldn't believe in it. The rest of the video is also filled with other scientific blunders.

Mr. Naik is not even close to being a scientist or even in expert in science, yet he runs around pretending he is and preaches more misinformation to Muslisms. I don't have much respect for the guy, as he is one of many so called "scholars" that have contributed to the growing rise of extremist Salafism, rejection of modern science and learning, and acceptance of backwards idealogies.

Do you not find it ironic that you continue to mock the Christians for believing in what you say is a false religion, and a distortion, and that they are being stubborn when they refuse to see the truth, yet you do the very same about your own religion?

I always find it amusing when Muslims (and any other religion actually) claim that people of other faiths refuse to analyze their own beliefs to see that they are lacking, or are too stubborn to admit it, yet the Muslims themselves commit the same act.

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#196 Feb 18, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
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I always find it amusing when Muslims (and any other religion actually) claim that people of other faiths refuse to analyze their own beliefs to see that they are lacking, or are too stubborn to admit it, yet the Muslims themselves commit the same act.
At times it is exasperating to see religious zealots use "logic" to denigrate other religions, without noting that the same "logic" applied to their own religion would expose the same flaws.
mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#197 Feb 18, 2013
Taking Lesson from biblical references for moern scinec
mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#199 Feb 18, 2013
Taking Lesson from biblical references for moDern science
proudredneck

Glendale, AZ

#200 Feb 18, 2013
Faith wrote:
"THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined. The world’s 1.6 billion Muslims have produced only two Nobel laureates in chemistry and physics. Both moved to the West: the only living one, the chemist Ahmed Hassan Zewail, is at the California Institute of Technology. By contrast Jews, outnumbered 100 to one by Muslims, have won 79. The 57 countries in the Organisation of the Islamic Conference spend a puny 0.81% of GDP on research and development, about a third of the world average. America, which has the world’s biggest science budget, spends 2.9%; Israel lavishes 4.4%."
Science is unislamic.
what you say is true...Muslims are indeed pretty stupid people...but why did the Jews vote for a Muslim ?...Obama hates Jews and yet they still vote for him...please explain ?...are Jews stupid too or just have a death wish ?
Khan

Wichita, KS

#201 Feb 18, 2013
Mi_nina wrote:
I would NEVER support a religion that insists on conquering the world, and killing apostates...God would not ask that, but Satan would.
Do you believe in a religion that believes in gang rape of innocent hindu women, Dowry burnings, SATI and child molestation?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14...

Rape and murder in Uttar Pradesh

A spate of exceptionally brutal rapes in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh has shocked India. Many of the victims were young girls. The BBC's Geeta Pandey reports from Lucknow.
For Sarika, 16, it was like any other day when she went out to the fields for her evening ablutions with her friend Chhaya.
It was a cold February evening and it was pitch dark. "I was feeling a little scared so I wanted to get back quickly," she tells me.
On the way back, she says, she was attacked by Shivam and three other men from the village.
"Shivam grabbed my hand and asked me to marry him. I said:'No, how can I marry you? We live in the same village, you are like my brother.' I kicked him and tried to run away.
Continue reading the main story
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These cases are so brutal - we thought such things happened only in novels and films”
End Quote Roop Rekha Verma Activist
"With the help of his friends, he dragged me to a secluded area and began to assault me with knives and axes. I was conscious for some time, but once they cut me on my head and neck, I fainted. When I became conscious, I was in hospital."
Sarika shows me her injuries - a fist-size wound on her scalp, her jaw which has been sewn together, her right hand which had to be re-attached, her right earlobe from where big chunks are missing, and long scars on her arms.
Shivam has been arrested, but the others are still free. One told the BBC he had been wrongly accused.
A terrified Sarika and her family have abandoned their home and land in Fatehpur district's Udrauli village to stay with relatives in another village nearly 45km (30 miles) away.
'Crimes escalating'
The assault on Sarika is one among the hundreds of rapes and attempted rapes this year in the state.
"It's a very difficult situation here," says Roop Rekha Verma of Sajhi Duniya (Shared World), a Lucknow-based organisation which works with women.
Sarika sustained multiple injuries
"There is a lot of violence: Crimes are escalating; gender problems are increasing; girls are being attacked, both in rural and urban areas," she says.
Uttar Pradesh is India's most populous state with 200 million people. It is also home to a staggering number of poor - official statistics show more than 60 million people here live on less than $1.25 (75p) a day.
Poverty also makes a community more vulnerable. Many victims were raped or assaulted when they went to the fields because, like millions of Indians, they have no access to toilets at home.
Uttar Pradesh has always had a high rate of crime, but it is the viciousness of the recent attacks that has stunned people most.
"These cases are so brutal that we wouldn't have believed that they could happen - we thought such things could happen only in novels and films," Mrs Verma says.
Ex Muslim

Terrace, Canada

#202 Feb 19, 2013
Khan wrote:
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Do you believe in a religion that believes in gang rape of innocent hindu women, Dowry burnings, SATI and child molestation?
Again Khan the irony is almost overwhelming, your own religion does the same.

Look at your own Islam to see how your own prophet sanctions the molestation of a 9 year old girl. In Ayesha's own words she recalled how she was playing with her dolls and Muhammad took her did things to her that she could not understand at the time.

Moreover it allows for the rape of those "whom your right-hand possesses) meaning it is permissible for Muslims to keep sex slaves they captured in war or battle.

Also, since the Qur'an demands that 4 witness be procured for a women to prove she was raped, often times women in Islamic society or raped and become pregnant, but because there were no people watching, she cannot prove she was raped. Thus the courts deem she instead commited zina and is sentenced to jail or death, while her rapists roam free. This happens too often in Pakistan as you may know.

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#203 Feb 19, 2013
Khan wrote:
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Do you believe in a religion that believes in gang rape of innocent hindu women, Dowry burnings, SATI and child molestation?
I think Mi_nina does not believe in that religion either. Oddly, it looks like you want to make islam look better by pointing to others you think are even worse!
mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#205 Feb 19, 2013
Dear its always people who are responsible for bad image

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#206 Feb 21, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
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The Qur'an states that the Sun moves around the earth in a "fixed path", and that the Earth is a "fixed abode" and the stars are "missiles that drive away Jinn", which are all completely ridiculous and childish conjectures.
Science proved that the Earth goes around the Sun more than 500 years ago, with the work of Copernicus (which was opposed by a lot of Muslims at the time even). Yet Muslims still reject a lot of what science has proved since then because the Qur'an tells them otherwise. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz, declared a fatwa that the Sun goes around the earth, and anyone who disagrees with the Qur'an is a kafir and infidel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_...
Too many muslims reject things like evolution and the Big Bang, even though there is a plethora of evidence and experiments that support these. Why? Because their Qur'an tells them it is wrong.
of course fixed by allah , do you think earth orbit changes its shape to square and traingle , its oval or ellipse .thats fixed.

then scientist can project the path of earth for the near future because they assume it to be standard , fixed so that they can project easily ..
if earth has to change its course then scientist wouldnt be able to project.

and you believe in evolution, not even science believes in it.. because by science its theory of evolution. theory not fact.
just imagine by evolution its says humans came from great apes. with stage to stage.

the origin form such as: apes exist and end form such as :humans exist by now date.

where are the middle staged figures in the evolution.

and as for big bang,Q 21:31. big bang is still theory not fact,some theory goes with quran some theory goes other way.. but as for fact
its goes with quran.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#207 Feb 22, 2013
prasad wrote:
<quoted text>chritianity is first hand religion and came from the mind of paul who goes against jesus sayings.
DID PAUL INVENT CHRISTIANITY?

The book of Acts claims that Paul, having already persecuted some believers in Jesus, has a visionary encounter with the risen Christ. WHO WERE THESE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS?

Acts agrees with Paul that the new apostle turned for support to a community of believers that already resided in Damascus.
IF PAUL INVENTED CHRISTIANITY WHO WHERE THESE BELIEVERS IN DAMASCUS? AND WHY WERE THEY TARGETED IF THEY WHERE AN INSIGNIFICANT FEW?

Following Jesus's death communities of his followers were spreading beyond Judea and Galilee into Samaria, Syria and other parts of the ancient Mediterranean world.

Since: Feb 13

Houston, Canada

#208 Feb 22, 2013
Irzath wrote:
<quoted text>of course fixed by allah , do you think earth orbit changes its shape to square and traingle , its oval or ellipse .thats fixed.
then scientist can project the path of earth for the near future because they assume it to be standard , fixed so that they can project easily ..
if earth has to change its course then scientist wouldnt be able to project.
and you believe in evolution, not even science believes in it.. because by science its theory of evolution. theory not fact.
just imagine by evolution its says humans came from great apes. with stage to stage.
the origin form such as: apes exist and end form such as :humans exist by now date.
where are the middle staged figures in the evolution.
and as for big bang,Q 21:31. big bang is still theory not fact,some theory goes with quran some theory goes other way.. but as for fact
its goes with quran.
What are you talking about? Science does not believe in it?
In science a theory is not just some random guess made by a bunch of people trying desperately to disprove or prove something. It is a model based on hard facts, evidence, and experiments. Moreover, the purpose of a theory is to explain mechanisms by which a process occurs, and thus a lot of refinement and work goes into it in a continual process.

There is a theory of gravity, it doesn't mean you can go floating around whenever you don't feel like believing in it. Gravity is a fact, and the theory of gravity is developed to explain it. Similarly evolution is a fact, and can be demonstrated through genetic, fossil, and molecular evidence. The "theory" of evolution is trying to explain how it occurs, through proccesses like natural selection, genetic drift, etc.

If you are looking for middle stage figures then there are plenty. Go on over here to get a timeline of human evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Evolution is a fundamental part of modern science and biology. It has been worked on and developed for the past 150 years by scientists all over the world. It is supported by an overwhelming majority of scientists, there is no such major controversy at all amongst scientists as Muslims try to assert.

I think you need to learn more about the scientific method, and the very definition of a scientific theory, as well as more research into evolutionary studies and the Big Bang.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang
mICHEAL

Karachi, Pakistan

#210 Feb 22, 2013
Christian mythology is the body of myths associated with Christianity. In the ... their sacred stories with "myths", by which they meant false and pagan stories...... created the conditions for modern ideas of scientific and technological progress

Lets divert some attention what Catholic Teaches about science or its just their own MYTHS
Asif Iqbal

Arlington, TX

#211 Feb 22, 2013
Khan wrote:
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I am sorry to see you are in such a deep sense of denial.
Are you a neurotic hatemonger Hindu, Christian or Yiddish?
Here is an American who embraced Islam. If you have any guts, please read what he has to say:
MUHAMMAD ALEXANDER RUSSEL WEBB
(1846 - 1916)
Books and E-Books
On Muslim History and Civilization
The following is Muhammad Webb's account of his journey to Islam as reported in the abridged version of "Islam - Our Choice" published by Begum Aisha Bawani Wakf, Karachi, 1970.
I have been requested to tell you why I, an American, born in a country which is nominally Christian, and reared under the drippings, or more properly perhaps the driveling, of an orthodox Presbyterian pulpit, came to adopt the faith of Islam as my guide in life.
I might reply promptly and truthfully that I adopted this religion because I found, after protracted study, that it was the best and only system adapted to the spiritual needs of the humanity. And here let me say that I was not born as some boys seem to be, with a fervently religious strain in my character. When I reached the age of twenty, and became practically my own master, I was so tired of the restraint and dullness of the Church, that I wandered away from it and never returned to it...
Fortunately I was of an enquiring turn of mind - I wanted a reason for everything, and I found that neither laymen nor clergy could give me any rational explasm and monads (explanation of this faith), and yet not one of them could tell me what were mysterious or that they were beyond my comprehension.
About eleven years ago I became interested in the study of Oriental religions... I read Mill and Locke, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Huxley, and many other more or less learned writers discoursing with a great show of wisdom concerning protoplasm and monads, and yet not one of them could tell me what the soul was or what became of it after death...
I have spoken so much of myself in order to show you that my adoption of Islam was not the result of misguided sentiment, blind credulity, or sudden emotional impulse, but it was born of earnest, honest, persistent, unprejudiced study and investigation and an intense desire to know the truth.
The essence of the true faith of Islam is resignation to the will of God [Allah] and its corner stone is prayer. It teaches universal fraternity, universal love, and universal benevolence, and requires purity of mind, purity of action, purity of speech and perfect physical cleanliness. It, beyond doubt, is the simplest and most elevating form of religion known to man.
May God help the hatemongers to regain and retain common sense and fairness. Ameen.
Asif Iqbal

Arlington, TX

#212 Feb 23, 2013
Khan wrote:
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Professor Alfred Kroner is one of the world's well-known geologists. He is a Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Mainz, Germany. He said, "Thinking where Muhammad came from .. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advance technological methods that this is the case." (From 'This is the Truth'[video]). Also he said, "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin."
http://www.scienceislam.com/quran_miracles.ph...
Hindus say they invented zero. What a mighty poor lie !
Even if they did, they are still zero.

Since: Feb 13

Houston, Canada

#213 Feb 24, 2013
Asif Iqbal wrote:
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Hindus say they invented zero. What a mighty poor lie !
Even if they did, they are still zero.
The Indian mathematicians were the first ones to invent the zero, as in the works of Pingala or Aryabhata. Even Al-Khawarzmi, the famous Persian mathematician called them Indian numerals and had a great deal of respect for their work. He called their numeral system "more superior to the Roman one" and decided to use them in his own mathematical treatise 'The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing', which extensively praised and built upon the Indians (and Greeks) for their mathematical prowess. To his credit, he built upon their knowledge and invented Al-Jabr (what we now clall Algebra) and solved basic quadratic functions.

Both Persian and Indian scientists accomplished a lot. Give praise where it is due, and do not belittle the accomplishments of other peoples just because you have an irrational hatred of them.
Thinking

Shaftesbury, UK

#214 Feb 26, 2013
Make your mind up, fuckwit. Is it a lie or not?

You make no sense whatsoever.
Asif Iqbal wrote:
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Hindus say they invented zero. What a mighty poor lie !
Even if they did, they are still zero.

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