islam, please take my poll on Jesus.

islam, please take my poll on Jesus.

Created by debunker on Nov 12, 2013

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i believe in jesus as a prophet.

i really believe in jesus as a prophet.

i mean i really believe in Jesus as a prophet

i do not believe in jesus as a prophet.

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#1 Nov 13, 2013
Jesus came to them again, with Thomas now present. Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
Kss

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#2 Nov 13, 2013
Allah Akbar

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#3 Nov 13, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Jesus came to them again, with Thomas now present. Jesus said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
Shamma where have you been ?!! Do you still hate Islam ?

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#4 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Shamma where have you been ?!! Do you still hate Islam ?
Hating an evil ideology is only reasonable.

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#5 Nov 13, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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Hating an evil ideology is only reasonable.
What do you know about the Islamic ideology ?!!

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Concord, CA

#6 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
What do you know about the Islamic ideology ?!!
the fruits taste foul

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#7 Nov 13, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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the fruits taste foul
what is that supposed to mean ?!

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#8 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
what is that supposed to mean ?!
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

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#9 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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What do you know about the Islamic ideology ?!!
Enough to know it's evil.

Muslims like you have been proving that to be the case on the islam forum. I don't' even need to bring up muslim terrorists who commit their crimes and justify their actions through islam.
American

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#10 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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Shamma where have you been ?!! Do you still hate Islam ?
Shamma does not hate Muslims- but she is a truth teller to the core.
Kss

Paris, France

#11 Nov 13, 2013
what truth and nothing but the truth, the whole truth?

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#12 Nov 13, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
do you really believe that the Bible is still the true word of god ?!! there are numerous contradictions in your holy Book
You should watch some of Ahmad Deedat videos on youtube , That old man knows the Bible more than most of the Priests

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#13 Nov 13, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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Enough to know it's evil.
Muslims like you have been proving that to be the case on the islam forum. I don't' even need to bring up muslim terrorists who commit their crimes and justify their actions through islam.
and how is it evil ?! do you really think its evil or just decided to put a label ?
anyways muslims cannot prove that Islam is Evil even if we wanted to
, we shouldn't harm those who we argue with not even with words because that would be a direct breach to god's order

16:125 (Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.)

and even if we were harmed in anyways the very next verse says

16:126 (And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient.)

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#14 Nov 13, 2013
American wrote:
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Shamma does not hate Muslims- but she is a truth teller to the core.
you can say she is telling her opinion because shes not even close to the truth, Shamma did a hell of an effort to take out numerous verses out of the original context.

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#15 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
do you really believe that the Bible is still the true word of god ?!! there are numerous contradictions in your holy Book
You should watch some of Ahmad Deedat videos on youtube , That old man knows the Bible more than most of the Priests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =LzmGLrTFtlsXX
It depends on what you mean by "True Word of God". There is no reason that truth must be revealed exact words by God inside a book.

Bible was written by mortal men who knows god, so in that sense I don't say Bible is "Word of God" the same way that muslims see Quran as "Word of God" (it can't be, or you'd be left with a book that makes people think "is that all god has?" - that same questioning was brought out even during Muhammad's time regarding Quran's literary merit)

My approach to truth isn't base on exact wordings or claims of one book, but based on my recognition of the match between the collective data throughout my humanly experience and the biblical description about human's nature that no other worldview offers (definitely not Islam, and we can discuss a lot about that... not today though).

I talked about Ahmad Deedat several times in this forum. I'll be happy to discuss that with you later. Actually I have listened to many muslim-christian debates, and if I were you I would stay away from Deedat-Naik line because only muslims would buy their claims - the only muslim debator I give some weight to when it comes to talks against Christianity is Shabir Ally. Do you know that Deedat's muslims supporters were disappointed by his accusations about Christianity that he couldn't back up by fact when asked?

I will watch your YouTube later, but I need to stop posting for now.

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#16 Nov 13, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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and how is it evil ?
I've listed this enough times, you've just missed it.

Why should I even bother, you're just like the next Muslim who refuses to accept it.

In my discussions with the many muslims here they have clearly answered for me what islam teaches. I've told them that I reject those teachings because they are evil and dangerous to liberty and justice. They disagree with me like you will, but that's not because I dont' understand them or islam it's because muslims refuse to believe that anyone can hold an opposing view of islam let alone condemn islam.

I am convinced after much study and discussion that islam is evil. muslims here have verified it for me you're just going to have to deal with it.

1. Islam in power has laws against apostates, adultery, homosexuality.
2. Islam is intolerance of other religious beliefs, intolerance for pagan beliefs.
3. Laws against Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Conscience.

Where Muslims come to gain power they restrict the freedoms and liberties that people of other religions might have. Non Muslims are not allowed to propagate and share their faith or try to convert muslims.

Muslims are considered traitors if they leave islam and then publicize their criticism of islam.

No one is allowed to speak their mind about mohammed if it's against what islam teaches.

Blasphemy laws are put in place...no freedom of expression.

I could go on and on. To me these and many other teachings and laws in islam prove it to be evil and a danger to the world. You don't have to like it but you sure as hell have to believe and understand this reality.

The reality is we know and understand islam, we not only reject it but we know it's a danger to our liberties....hence evil.

And those muslims who want to gain power and put islam's laws in place are an enemy.

“Tell it as it is.”

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#18 Nov 13, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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I've listed this enough times, you've just missed it.
Why should I even bother, you're just like the next Muslim who refuses to accept it.
In my discussions with the many muslims here they have clearly answered for me what islam teaches. I've told them that I reject those teachings because they are evil and dangerous to liberty and justice. They disagree with me like you will, but that's not because I dont' understand them or islam it's because muslims refuse to believe that anyone can hold an opposing view of islam let alone condemn islam.
I am convinced after much study and discussion that islam is evil. muslims here have verified it for me you're just going to have to deal with it.
1. Islam in power has laws against apostates, adultery, homosexuality.
2. Islam is intolerance of other religious beliefs, intolerance for pagan beliefs.
3. Laws against Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Conscience.
Where Muslims come to gain power they restrict the freedoms and liberties that people of other religions might have. Non Muslims are not allowed to propagate and share their faith or try to convert muslims.
Muslims are considered traitors if they leave islam and then publicize their criticism of islam.
No one is allowed to speak their mind about mohammed if it's against what islam teaches.
Blasphemy laws are put in place...no freedom of expression.
I could go on and on. To me these and many other teachings and laws in islam prove it to be evil and a danger to the world. You don't have to like it but you sure as hell have to believe and understand this reality.
The reality is we know and understand islam, we not only reject it but we know it's a danger to our liberties....hence evil.
And those muslims who want to gain power and put islam's laws in place are an enemy.
A calm and tempered response. Cannot help but compare it to what some "defenders of islam" post when inconvenient facts and contradictions are listed.

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#19 Nov 14, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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I've listed this enough times, you've just missed it.
Why should I even bother, you're just like the next Muslim who refuses to accept it.
In my discussions with the many muslims here they have clearly answered for me what islam teaches. I've told them that I reject those teachings because they are evil and dangerous to liberty and justice. They disagree with me like you will, but that's not because I dont' understand them or islam it's because muslims refuse to believe that anyone can hold an opposing view of islam let alone condemn islam.
I am sure that my muslim brothers explained Islam perfectly, please accept my sincere apology if anyone of them harmed you in any way, regarding Liberty or what is called Freedom in our modern societies have been applied wrongly because we all forgot the actual essence of freedom or liberty…!!,“ you freedom simply ends where another’s begin “, I recently had a long discussion with someone who said that Islam shouldn’t interfere in his sex life and its nobody’s business to tell him to do this or not to do that, and its only up to him to have sex with whom he wants and where he wishes, I told him that it’s certainly not up to him to spread STDs , and it’s not up to him to throw a child in the orphanage to get rid of the responsibility or force his girlfriend to make abortion and kill an innocent soul just to get rid of the mistake he did, and it’s certainly not up to him to trick girls into bed for a one night stand, not to mention the numerous damages could do to the society, we should always look at the big picture and sometimes what appears to be okay can actually destroy others around us.

Regarding the Justice; believe it or not Islam was found to spread justice and guarantee humans, environment and even animals’ rights.
Trisha wrote:
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I am convinced after much study and discussion that islam is evil. muslims here have verified it for me you're just going to have to deal with it.
1. Islam in power has laws against apostates, adultery, homosexuality.
2. Islam is intolerance of other religious beliefs, intolerance for pagan beliefs.
3. Laws against Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Conscience.
Where Muslims come to gain power they restrict the freedoms and liberties that people of other religions might have. Non Muslims are not allowed to propagate and share their faith or try to convert muslims.
1- Islam has numerous laws against apostates, adultery and homosexuality
But Why ?!! Apostates should be dealt with under the proper sharia law, where everybody gets his rights and under the full applying of Islam laws and teachings, apostates wouldn’t have the right to convert to other religions and may got some punishment because someone cannot change his religion after seeing the truth and the authentic teachings of Islam (under the proper Sharia law) apostates may got relegated to another country, go to prison or got killed, Islam laws are flexible and may vary according to the society and the country.
-Adultery may lead to very bad consequences to the whole community like STDs, ruining families, adultery may lead to different psychological aspects (intense guilt or depression in the person who has committed adultery, deep distress in the 'betrayed' partner, violence (people still do sometimes kill unfaithful partners!, marriage break-up, unhappiness for the children of the people involved.) Not to mention the numerous medical consequences beside STD’s ….and the list goes on
Please tell me what solutions does atheism or any other religion offer to the modern world problems ?!!

Prevention is always better than treatment; Yet Islam offers prevention and treatment,

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#20 Nov 14, 2013
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....
-how many alcoholics are there in the world ?!!
There are very few alcoholic people in the Islamic nations compared to western countries although we are not applying Sharia law.
-how many orphans are mistreated ?!
Most of the orphans in this world are the result of adulteries , Islam prevented us from such problems and still if happened orphans should be treated like brothers and sisters and get to have a specific amount from Muslims wealth (&#1604;Google Zakkah )
-how many people are starving to death ?!
There is a specific amount of money should be paid by Muslims every year to guarantee justice and good living to different people in the community , Islam economical laws comes somewhere between Capitalism and Socialism .

2:177 “…. in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.“

13:22 “…..spend from what We have provided for them secretly and publicly and prevent evil with good - those will have the good consequence of [this] home –“

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#21 Nov 14, 2013
I wasn't wrong you're just repeating the same thing your fellow muslim have, exactly like I expected you to. You're just missing the point. And why is it you're missing the point of my post? Is it so hard for you to believe you could be wrong?

I don't care if you want to follow Islam, just don't try to make it a law in any country. And where it's a law now it should be changed because it is unjust.

The apostasy and blasphemy laws alone are enough to condemn Islam. Those laws prove beyond a doubt islam and muslims duplicity. You cannot have apostasy laws and then claim that 'there is no compulsion in islam'.

Please understand this, I and tens of millions of people in this world reject islam and most of us realize it's a danger to our freedoms and our liberties.

So keep your religion to yourself and out of politics maybe we'll get along.

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