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Why do muslims call Jesus "Isa Al Masih"?

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popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#1 Nov 21, 2007
Why do muslims call Jesus "Isa Al Masih"?

Masih means Messiah

If you believe Jesus was just a prophet, why call him Messiah?

If he is so special, why do you say that Muhammad was a far better human being than him? You call Muhammad the perfect man.

Was Jesus an imperfect man?

Jesus never molested children
Jesus never killed anyone
Jesus never kept slaves
Jesus never kept sex slaves
Jesus never married multiple wives
Jesus never raided caravans for loot and slaves

he did these things though:

Jesus healed the sick and the lame and the blind
Jesus raised lazarus from the dead
Jesus spread peace and love
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#2 Nov 21, 2007
I guess that if molesting children, killed people,keeping, marrying multiple wives and raiding caravans for loot and slaves are considered moral behaviour, the Muhammad was perfect.

But it's very topsy turvy don't you think?

Since: Nov 07

Tehran

#3 Nov 21, 2007
I ask this question and one Rouhani answer my question.

ISA equal JESUS (J) in some languages sound (e) and (I) and (Y). english see Jesus but they do not know

what is pronunciation so they pronunciation like this:
Gesoos or some europe people pronunciation KHesoos.

Since: Nov 07

Tehran

#4 Nov 21, 2007
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popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#5 Nov 21, 2007
YaMahdiAdrekni wrote:
I ask this question and one Rouhani answer my question.
ISA equal JESUS (J) in some languages sound (e) and (I) and (Y). english see Jesus but they do not know
what is pronunciation so they pronunciation like this:
Gesoos or some europe people pronunciation KHesoos.
Thanks, I know that muslims call Jesus "Isa", I was asking about the "messiah" or "mesih" part.
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#6 Nov 21, 2007
Muslims also believe the Jesus will come back before the end times and unify all the muslims.

If muhammad is a better human being, why doesn't allah use him instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih
"After he has destroyed al-Dajjal, his final task will be to become leader of the Muslims. Isa will unify the Muslim Ummah under the common purpose of worshipping Allah alone in pure Islam, thereby ending divisions and deviations by adherents"
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#7 Nov 21, 2007
popsicles wrote:
Muslims also believe the Jesus will come back before the end times and unify all the muslims.
If muhammad is a better human being, why doesn't allah use him instead?
One of the reason might be to break the cross. And Allah knows best
chris

Austin, TX

#8 Nov 21, 2007
popsicles wrote:
Muslims also believe the Jesus will come back before the end times and unify all the muslims.
If muhammad is a better human being, why doesn't allah use him instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih
"After he has destroyed al-Dajjal, his final task will be to become leader of the Muslims. Isa will unify the Muslim Ummah under the common purpose of worshipping Allah alone in pure Islam, thereby ending divisions and deviations by adherents"
because Pop, both Sunni and Shi'i Muslims recognize Jesus as the messiah. Sunni eschatology states that it will be Jesus who returns to earth to usher in the end of days(just as in Christian mythology--- I don't use the term mythology in a derogatory sense, but in the sense that it is a shared, deeply held belief). As for the Shi'i, they maintain that Jesus will be accompanied by the Mahdi- at least in ithnat'ashur shi'ism, the most populous branch of shi'ism.
Muhammad was only a messenger and a warner--Jesus is the messiah, the manifestation of the Way. Christ holds a special position in Muslim theology, and an incredibly important one in Sufi theosophy.

why dont we have actual theological, cosmological,or cosmogonical discussions rather than nit-picking at inane details--the question, "why would Islam pick Jesus ifMuhammad was so special??" Would seem absurd to a Muslim-- for one, to them, Islam didn't "pick" Jesus, God willed it. So the question would seem to them as asking why did God... and any answer not firmly routed in the Qur'an, Hadith, or tradition of ijma, would be innovation. Or at least, a question one cannot really answer.
you aren't looking for insight, you're trying to find holes in the logic of, OF ALL THINGS, religion!-- not a very difficult task...
chris

Austin, TX

#9 Nov 21, 2007
the answer you will almost always get with these questions, from a Muslim, is the standard murjia/mutazilah response: Allah knows best.
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#10 Nov 21, 2007
Ha Ha wrote:
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One of the reason might be to break the cross. And Allah knows best
how are you going to recognise Isa?

Since: Nov 07

Tehran

#11 Nov 21, 2007
popsicles wrote:
Muslims also believe the Jesus will come back before the end times and unify all the muslims.
If muhammad is a better human being, why doesn't allah use him instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih
"After he has destroyed al-Dajjal, his final task will be to become leader of the Muslims. Isa will unify the Muslim Ummah under the common purpose of worshipping Allah alone in pure Islam, thereby ending divisions and deviations by adherents"
I wrote this in other comment but write again:

By order of Allah some men are sacrosanct.
They can do miracle. now the great miracle man is Imam Mahdi. he is about 1200 years old.

Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.

When Muslims of the world see many miracle from Imam mahdi it is posible Jesus get permision from Imam Mahdi for do Miracle.

Do not forgot Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.
Muslims divided 2 sect Shia and Sunni.

All muslims must become shia because God say Shia is Truth and Sunni is False.
Many leader of Sunni will sent to hell because they are usurper.
chris

Austin, TX

#12 Nov 21, 2007
popsicles wrote:
Muslims also believe the Jesus will come back before the end times and unify all the muslims.
If muhammad is a better human being, why doesn't allah use him instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih
"After he has destroyed al-Dajjal, his final task will be to become leader of the Muslims. Isa will unify the Muslim Ummah under the common purpose of worshipping Allah alone in pure Islam, thereby ending divisions and deviations by adherents"
oh and muhammad wasn't a better human being. Both were liminal figures-- Muhammad was chosen for (or created with: depending on your view of determinism) certain attributes; inner piety, magnanimity, strength, etc... Jesus was similarly liminal, but with different characteristics to suit the both the message he delivered(was) and to whom it was addressed. Also, one might argue he has a higher standing, as he was created by God, i.e.immaculately conceived.
rOGER

Irvington, NJ

#13 Nov 21, 2007
u mean he would break the cross better than mohammed?
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the reason might be to break the cross. And Allah knows best
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#14 Nov 21, 2007
chris wrote:
the answer you will almost always get with these questions, from a Muslim, is the standard murjia/mutazilah response: Allah knows best.
Why u want to go to mutazilah all?
How do you except muslims to make prediction about things which they dont have knowledge about?
Only Allah knows what is going to happen in the future.
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#15 Nov 21, 2007
popsicles wrote:
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how are you going to recognise Isa?
He would come to earth at fajr(early morning) prayer and would kill dajjal after the prayer. Imam Mahdi alayhis salam would already be known to the muslims and he would recognise Isa alayhis salam and offer to let Isa alayhis salam lead the prayer but Isa alayhis salam would decline

Allah knows best
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#16 Nov 21, 2007
YaMahdiAdrekni wrote:
<quoted text>
I wrote this in other comment but write again:
By order of Allah some men are sacrosanct.
They can do miracle. now the great miracle man is Imam Mahdi. he is about 1200 years old.
Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.
When Muslims of the world see many miracle from Imam mahdi it is posible Jesus get permision from Imam Mahdi for do Miracle.
Do not forgot Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.
Muslims divided 2 sect Shia and Sunni.
All muslims must become shia because God say Shia is Truth and Sunni is False.
Many leader of Sunni will sent to hell because they are usurper.
Assalamu alaikum,
All are muslims. Why must u bring up sunni shia divide?
chris

San Marcos, TX

#17 Nov 21, 2007
YaMahdiAdrekni wrote:
<quoted text>
I wrote this in other comment but write again:
By order of Allah some men are sacrosanct.
They can do miracle. now the great miracle man is Imam Mahdi. he is about 1200 years old.
Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.
When Muslims of the world see many miracle from Imam mahdi it is posible Jesus get permision from Imam Mahdi for do Miracle.
Do not forgot Jesus is subordinate of Mahdi.
Muslims divided 2 sect Shia and Sunni.
All muslims must become shia because God say Shia is Truth and Sunni is False.
Many leader of Sunni will sent to hell because they are usurper.
ya mahdi, one should ask what hanafi wrote in his epistle to...shit, forgot his name... anyhow, you cannot really call the sunnis usurpers-- was Mulawiya a usurper??

ali called the syrians he was fighting believers, and yet he spilled their blood, and they his-- who was in the right?
If you say Ali, that the syrians were grave sinners, then you're guilty of innovation. If you say the syrians, and that Ali had sinned, you've also innovated. But if you say God knows best--that is, He will judge, for it is only his place to do so, then you have hit the mark.
i would assume you have read Hanafi before.

and sorry if my definitions/perceptions of Islam seem askew, i'm not a muslim.

Since: Nov 07

Tehran

#18 Nov 21, 2007
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Assalamu alaikum,
All are muslims. Why must u bring up sunni shia divide?
SalamuAlaikum ya Akhi

Allah said only Shia is real Islam other sect created by help of Satan.

Abubakr and Omar and Osamn usurper Govern by help of Satan.

Many Sunni people do not know shia is real Islam but when Imam Mahdi come for reverting World to Pure Mohammadic Islam if any Sunni person reject his order and do not convert to Shia will kill by order of Imam Mahdi.
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#19 Nov 21, 2007
YaMahdiAdrekni wrote:
<quoted text>
SalamuAlaikum ya Akhi
Allah said only Shia is real Islam other sect created by help of Satan.
Abubakr and Omar and Osamn usurper Govern by help of Satan.
Many Sunni people do not know shia is real Islam but when Imam Mahdi come for reverting World to Pure Mohammadic Islam if any Sunni person reject his order and do not convert to Shia will kill by order of Imam Mahdi.
I have a few questions:

1) where did Allah say shia are the only true muslims?

2) Abu Bakr Siddique radiallahu anho gave away all his wealth for the sake of islam. How can he be somebody you describe to be?

3) Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam married 2 of his daughter to Uthman radiallahu anho and he was the only one who married 2 of prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam's daughter. Uthman radiallahu anho was called Dhul Nurain.
Would Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam marry not one but 2 of his daughter to a usurper?
3) When the muslims migrated to medina, there was only one drinking water well. When Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam said that the person who offer to buy the well for the sake of muslims will be guaranteed Jannah, it was Uthman radiallahu anho who bought the well. When prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam said that the one who buy the land surrounding Masjid-un-nabawi, Allah Subhaanahu taala will build a palace for the person in Jannah, it was Uthman radiallahu anho who bought the land.

4)Abu Bakr, Umar Ibn Khattab and Uthman Ibn Affan Radiallahu anhum,also helped to compile the Noble Quran. Abu Bakr radiallahu anho was the first among men to become muslim.

Ask yourself whether are you a better person than Abu Bakr Siddique, Uthman Ibn Affan and Umar Ibn Khattab radiallahu anhum before you label them as usurper?

Wassalam and Take care

Since: Nov 07

Tehran

#20 Nov 22, 2007
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a few questions:
1) where did Allah say shia are the only true muslims?
2) Abu Bakr Siddique radiallahu anho gave away all his wealth for the sake of islam. How can he be somebody you describe to be?
3) Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam married 2 of his daughter to Uthman radiallahu anho and he was the only one who married 2 of prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam's daughter. Uthman radiallahu anho was called Dhul Nurain.
Would Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam marry not one but 2 of his daughter to a usurper?
3) When the muslims migrated to medina, there was only one drinking water well. When Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam said that the person who offer to buy the well for the sake of muslims will be guaranteed Jannah, it was Uthman radiallahu anho who bought the well. When prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhis salam said that the one who buy the land surrounding Masjid-un-nabawi, Allah Subhaanahu taala will build a palace for the person in Jannah, it was Uthman radiallahu anho who bought the land.
4)Abu Bakr, Umar Ibn Khattab and Uthman Ibn Affan Radiallahu anhum,also helped to compile the Noble Quran. Abu Bakr radiallahu anho was the first among men to become muslim.
Ask yourself whether are you a better person than Abu Bakr Siddique, Uthman Ibn Affan and Umar Ibn Khattab radiallahu anhum before you label them as usurper?
Wassalam and Take care
In Ghadir Khom Mohammad Salalah spok to Muslims:

"man konto molaho fahaza Alion Molaho"
meaning:
everybody accepted i am his chief must accept Ali alayheSalam is his chief"

when Mohammad died 3 Khalife beguile by Satan and
usurp Govern of Muslims

By order of Allah real king and real leader of Islam are:
Mohammad Sallalah
Imam Ali AlayheSalam
Imam Hasan Alayhesalam
Imam Hosain AlayheSalam
Imam Zeynolabedin AlayheSalam
Imam Imam Bagher AlayheSalam
Imam Sadegh AlayheSalam
Imam Kazem AlayheSalam
Imam Reza AlayheSalam
Imam Taghi AlayheSalam
Imam Hadi AlayheSalam
Imam Askari AlayheSalam
Imam Mahdi AlayheSalam

Imam Mahdi's epithet is SahebalZaman.
Sahebal Zaman meaning: Lord of Time

He has 1200 years old and live in Iran in Jamkaran.
Ayatolah Khamenei is secondbest in Iran.
He live in Jamkaran but everyday travel to many countries for inspecting because world is belong to Imam mahdi and all people of the world are his slave or his brother by order of Allah.

In Iran Agent and soldier of Inteligent service of Iran call "Soldirs of Imam Mahdi".

Iranian people love this soldiers because they find enemy of Islam and kill them.

when we say Sunni is False it is mean leader of sunni show bad way to peoples.

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