REAL AGE OF AISHA: A Clarification fr...
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#127 Mar 4, 2013
HE WAS NAMED YESHUA:

The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin Iesus. Now Greek has no "y" sound, but the Latin "i" is both an "i" and a "j" (i.e., it can have a consonantal force in front of other vowels), the latter of which is properly pronounced like the English "y" (which explains the German Jesu, "YAY-su")That is why we spell Jesus as we do, taking it straight from Latin, but we pronounce the name with a soft "j" sound because that is what we do in English with the consonantal "j".

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#128 Mar 4, 2013
Aisha was 14 years old when prophet signed his marriage to her

She was married when she was 17 years old

Some people would say that 17 years is too much young for marriage, Look back century behind to explore in which ages girls were married

From catholic sources: Mary was 12 years old when she was got married to Joseph the carpenter (90 years old guy)

Mary had jesus before 12 years old, means" when she was about 10 years old, she was pregnant of jesus"

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History of scotland:

Girls at 12 years old were married before 1929:

http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_ma...

Until 1929, a girl could legally get married at the age of 12 or above and a boy at 14 though marriage at such a young age was extremely rare.

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The Age of Consent in the Middle Ages:

http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/noble-women-in-...

it was legal for boys to marry at fourteen and girls at twelve

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#129 Mar 4, 2013
ppl compare the modern age to the previous ages, complete different

men too used to mary multi wives, christians themselves used to have numerous wives

Only todays, polygamy was stopped by churches to be unique and different than other and so it fits the modern ages

Explore something about the past
george whyte

London, UK

#130 Mar 4, 2013
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
george whyte

London, UK

#131 Mar 4, 2013
Some Islamic sources say Aisha was aged 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 21 when Muhammad had sex with her
All authentic sources of Aisha’s own testimony confirm she was aged nine at the time. These alternate ages have been derived from misquotations, indirect sources, fuzzy dating techniques, and slander, in an attempt to cast doubt upon facts which have been unquestionably accepted by Muslims for almost 1,500 years.
Even today, the vast majority of the world's Muslims acknowledge and accept Aisha's young age and many of these honest Muslims take offense to these lies propagated by western Muslim apologists who are embarrassed by their own prophet's actions. In fact, Islamic scholar and teacher of Fiqh at Sunnipath.com and Livingislam.org , Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad's work has been referenced in our refutation to all these claims, which you can read here.

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Responses_to_Ap...
george whyte

London, UK

#132 Mar 4, 2013
All religious founders were products of their time. We cannot judge Muhammad by today's standards

Most Muslims clearly disagree with this statement. Unlike other faiths, in Islam, Muhammad is the "uswa hasana, al-Insān al-Kāmil" (the perfect human, whose example is worthy of imitation). The Qur'an even refers to his morality as “sublime”,[56] and as the Qur'an is believed by Muslims to be the literal and final words of God, they are beyond the constraints of time.
All mainstream Muslims consider Muhammad to be the perfect example to follow. For them to suggest otherwise (thereby conceding that Muhammad's actions are immoral when compared to today's standards) would constitute apostasy via blasphemy in belief[57] and would make them liable for the death sentence under Islamic law.
They do not judge morality by "today's" standard, but by Muhammad's standard. Hence millions of young girls today are forced into pedophilic child marriages by individuals, and even entire countries, who explicitly use Muhammad and Aisha's relationship as justification.[4][5][6][7][8]
Muhammad and Aisha's relationship is also used to hinder attempts by developing countries to move forward by banning child marriages. For example; in countries like Yemen, Bangladesh, Iran, and Northern Nigeria, recent attempts at reforming laws and banning child marriages have been opposed and stopped on the grounds that such a ban would be "un-Islamic".[58][59 ][60][61]
In some cases, Muhammad and Aisha's relationship is used to effectively "turn back the clock" by legalizing child marriages in places they were previously illegal. For example; in 2010, the Malaysian State of southern Malacca legalized child marriages specifically between adult Muslim men and young Muslim girls below the age of 16. Ivy Josiah, the executive director of the Women's Aid Organisation, noted "Child marriage amounts to paedophilia ... It is really a regressive move. It is turning back the clock."[62]
The Islamic texts themselves specifically destroy any appeals to cultural relativism that could be otherwise aimed at Muhammad's marriage. In Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad claimed it was Allah's will (through a dream)[63] that he marry Aisha. Thus, it was not the primitive Arabian culture that led to his marriage, but the "timeless" morality of Allah.

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#133 Mar 4, 2013
It wouldn't take much to erase the number one in the age of 16.
Besides the Jews say 3 year olds are fair game.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TFU...
george whyte

London, UK

#134 Mar 4, 2013
The Jewish Talmud says sex with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age
The claim that the Talmud says "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age," is an antisemitic lie. Yevamot 11b, the citation provided with this claim, has no relevant passage.

Whilst the language used is very crude, the discussion relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. It has nothing to do with what acts are allowed, encouraged, forbidden, or discouraged. It is ironic that this passage has been manipulated from its original context of a financial discussion into one of a religious discussion. While there are numerous Talmudic passages of a religious nature, this one discusses dowries and not forbidden and permitted relations.[64]

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#135 Mar 4, 2013

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#136 Mar 4, 2013
And what do you say about this mr Hindu george
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T20...
Why are you using a Jewish name such as george whyte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Whyte

Trying to hide the fact that you are a Hindu huh?
george whyte

London, UK

#137 Mar 4, 2013
Mary married 90-year-old Joseph when she was only 12, so Joseph was a pedophile too
Everyone who makes this claim, cite the same New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page.[65] What they do not mention is that this page begins by warning readers, "the apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents".[66]
According to Wikipedia, apocrypha is defined as "spurious", "of questionable authenticity", and "Christian texts that are not canonical."[67] Thus they can be considered as the Christian equivalent of da`if (weak) or maudu (fabricated) hadith.
Something that is non-canonical is not binding on a follower and can be ignored. There is no authoritative Christian text which state Mary's age. Claims about her age are, at best, educated guesses, but guesses none-the-less. Bukhari and Muslim, on the other hand, are canonical Islamic writings of the utmost religious authenticity, accepted by approximately 90 percent of the world's Muslims.
Even if we do accept this tu-quoque logical fallacy as a valid argument, there remains several problems. The first being the fact that the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page does not say Mary married Joseph when she was aged only 12.
What it actually says, after warning readers once again that the stories are "unreliable", is that Mary was 12 to 14 at the time of the choosing of candidates, and the Annunciation (the announcement by the angel Gabriel to the virgin called Mary, that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus)[68] took place two years later.[69] This would make Mary 14 to 16 at the time of her marriage, not 12, or 9, as was the case between Muhammad and Aisha. She would have been a teenager of child-bearing age, not a pre-pubescent pre-teen child.
Another problem is that the theological significance of Joseph and Muhammad to the Christian and Islamic faiths are incomparable. Unlike the Muslim view of Muhammad, Christians do not consider Joseph to be an uswa hasana (excellent model of conduct). Joseph's moral character holds no importance within Christian theology. He could have been insane and it would not matter to a Christian.
Then there is the fact that, according to both the Christian scriptures and the Islamic ones, Mary was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to Jesus; therefore, her relationship with Joseph could not have been a sexual one until after Jesus' birth, making her possibly 17 years of age at the time the marriage was eventually consummated, if ever.
Indeed, the same New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page continues the narrative of Joseph's life by stating both Mary and Joseph entered the marriage with the understanding that it was never to be consummated.[70]
Mary's Perpetual virginity, the belief that Mary remained a virgin her entire life, is an essential article of faith for the majority of the worlds Christians (including the Roman Catholic, Anglo-Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Christians). It is even held by some Muslims.[71]
Finally, the most decisive argument against the claim that Joseph was a pedophile is the fact that the same non-canonical writings which are used to gather information on Joseph and Mary's age, also confirm Mary's status as "ever virgin" (in The History of Joseph the Carpenter, Jesus says on Joseph's death "my mother, virgin undefiled").[72]
george whyte

London, UK

#138 Mar 4, 2013
Mary married 90-year-old Joseph when she was only 12, so Joseph was a pedophile too
Everyone who makes this claim, cite the same New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page. What they do not mention is that this page begins by warning readers, "the apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents".
According to Wikipedia, apocrypha is defined as "spurious", "of questionable authenticity", and "Christian texts that are not canonical." Thus they can be considered as the Christian equivalent of da`if (weak) or maudu (fabricated) hadith.
Something that is non-canonical is not binding on a follower and can be ignored. There is no authoritative Christian text which state Mary's age. Claims about her age are, at best, educated guesses, but guesses none-the-less. Bukhari and Muslim, on the other hand, are canonical Islamic writings of the utmost religious authenticity, accepted by approximately 90 percent of the world's Muslims.
Even if we do accept this tu-quoque logical fallacy as a valid argument, there remains several problems. The first being the fact that the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page does not say Mary married Joseph when she was aged only 12.
What it actually says, after warning readers once again that the stories are "unreliable", is that Mary was 12 to 14 at the time of the choosing of candidates, and the Annunciation (the announcement by the angel Gabriel to the virgin called Mary, that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus)[68] took place two years later. This would make Mary 14 to 16 at the time of her marriage, not 12, or 9, as was the case between Muhammad and Aisha. She would have been a teenager of child-bearing age, not a pre-pubescent pre-teen child.
Another problem is that the theological significance of Joseph and Muhammad to the Christian and Islamic faiths are incomparable. Unlike the Muslim view of Muhammad, Christians do not consider Joseph to be an uswa hasana (excellent model of conduct). Joseph's moral character holds no importance within Christian theology. He could have been insane and it would not matter to a Christian.
Then there is the fact that, according to both the Christian scriptures and the Islamic ones, Mary was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to Jesus; therefore, her relationship with Joseph could not have been a sexual one until after Jesus' birth, making her possibly 17 years of age at the time the marriage was eventually consummated, if ever.
the same New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia page continues the narrative of Joseph's life by stating both Mary and Joseph entered the marriage with the understanding that it was never to be consummated.
Mary's Perpetual virginity, the belief that Mary remained a virgin her entire life, is an essential article of faith for the majority of the worlds Christians (including the Roman Catholic, Anglo-Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Christians). It is even held by some Muslims.
Finally, the most decisive argument against the claim that Joseph was a pedophile is the fact that the same non-canonical writings which are used to gather information on Joseph and Mary's age, also confirm Mary's status as "ever virgin" (in The History of Joseph the Carpenter, Jesus says on Joseph's death "my mother, virgin undefiled").

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#139 Mar 4, 2013
Mary married 90-year-old Joseph when she was only 12, so Joseph was a pedophile too

Maybe she was 120 lol
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#140 Mar 4, 2013
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the same David who according to your Bible committed adultery and the same fella who was given many wives by God? And you folk worry about the many wives of Muhammad. There are some strange fellas in the genealogy of Jesus given in the Bible. Look them up.
AND LOOK AT HOW DAVID WAS PUNNISHED FOR THOSE SINS:

1 CHRONICALS 22:7

'7 David said to Solomon:“My son, I had it in my heart to build a house for the Name of the Lord my God. 8 But this word of the Lord came to me:‘You have shed much blood and have fought many wars. You are not to build a house for my Name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight. 9 But you will have a son who will be a man of peace and rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side. His name will be Solomon, and I will grant Israel peace and quiet during his reign. 10 He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’
george whyte

London, UK

#141 Mar 4, 2013
The Qur'an does not say Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sex with her when she was 9
The Qur'an is not a biography of Muhammad. By name, he is only mentioned 4 times in the Qur'an.[1] The Qur'an is not a historical narrative and without the Hadiths and Sirat (which are accepted by the majority of the world's Muslims and Islamic scholars) there would be no Five Pillars, Islam as Muslims know it would be unrecognizable, and there would be little[2] to no historical evidence that a person known as Prophet Muhammad ever existed. Therefore they cannot be ignored.

Furthermore, the Qur'an itself permits pedophilia in verse 65:4

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Responses_to_Ap...
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#142 Mar 4, 2013
george whyte wrote:
<quoted text>Mary married 90-year-old Joseph when she was only 12, so Joseph was a pedophile too
GEORGE 12.5 WAS AND STILL IS THE AVERAGE AGE A FEMALE STARTS OVULATING (gets her first period).
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#143 Mar 4, 2013
MOHAMMED’S MARRIAGE WITH AISHA A HEAVENLY DECREE

Glory be to Allah, the most Merciful and gracious. Praise for Mohammed {SAW} the Messenger of Allah the Almighty God..

Who Mengal
"LO; Man has jumped all bounds, By bringing false frivolous and invented, Lied material against His Messenger Mohammed {SAW} the most praise worthy person on face of earth”.

Glory to Allah the creator of universe And Certainly the Lord fully acquaint of such type of His men and appointed their destination or place well- before in His final Book, the Holy Quran revealed to His Messenger and Servant Mohammed {SAW}. The Quran says, S. xx1-Verse-6

But there are, among men
Those who purchase idle
Tales
Without Knowledge
To misled [men] from Path
Of Allah and throw ridicule
{On the path}; for such
There will be a humiliating
Penalty-

Thus,
Infallible is saying of Holy Quran that man is created by Allah Almighty in good and beautiful manner, but later on he thrown himself lower stage. Factually.

I have noticed my life that a miser used to blame a generous person as miser, While a liar always I have noticed claim himself truthful but blames other for lying. A sorcery used to say others magicians, this proverb is correct that in our age the name of honesty known as dishonesty and dishonest person treated and assumed most honest one, a poet of east also has noticed this phenomena saying the name of Intellect known as insane while people used to call insane the intelligent one. Thus today atheist and corrupt people from west is doing same thing. The worlds most honest person on earth was Prophet Mohammed (saw). Admittedly he among his enemies became famous for his honest y and truthfulness. People instead of his name used to call him, as the honest one and the truthful..He brought a religion in which a rapist is punished for death. His mission was to eradicate the fornication, rape dishonesty, fraud, lying and every kind of evil. He promoted honesty, generosity. Help to poor, giving alms and all kind of virtues in his teachings. He even 1400years after his death observed by his opponents the worlds most affected and high person. While, admittedly worlds most corrupt, dishonest, persons like the above, proverb blaming most honest prophet. Admittedly prophets marriage was predestined by almighty Allah like the original sin of Adam, because through this marriage the lord has to give teachings for woman folk to protect them from slander of dishonest persons, if marriage of Aisha would not happen than definitely Quran which claims himself as complete code would be empty from any law for any slanderer. Though it has fully established that Aisha’s marriage happened in age if 17 or18 or seventeen /eighteen as same is evident from these facts.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#145 Mar 5, 2013
Mengal wrote:
MOHAMMED’S MARRIAGE WITH AISHA A HEAVENLY DECREE
AISHA NEVER HAD MUHAMMED'S CHILD!!!!!!!
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gary

London, UK

#146 Mar 5, 2013
Read your own books.. Aisha was six years old when she married Muhammad and nine years old when she had sex. It's in Bukhari's hadiths and bukhari is recognised by all islamic schools. If you deny Bukhari you must bne an heretic and not a true muslim.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#147 Mar 5, 2013
....Not only that but they are the words of Aisha, herself. But Muslims choose to ignore them because they can!

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