REAL AGE OF AISHA: A Clarification fr...
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#79 Mar 2, 2013
And Muhammed was so desperate to produce son that survived,(all of his sons died in infancy), that he tried a young girl as mother. BUT AISHA DIDN'T PRODUCE A CHILD!
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#80 Mar 2, 2013
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WHETHER SHE WAS 9, 12, 18,......
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#81 Mar 2, 2013
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE.However, because no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
WHEN WAS THIS LAW PASSED?
From the earlist biography of Muhammed by Ibn Ishaq:

'According to Aisha,‘When the apostle of Allah was about to depart on a journey, he used to throw lots to decide which of his wives he would take with him. Before an expedition against the Banu Mustaliq, my lot came out; so the apostle of Allah took me with him. In those days women used to eat only the necessities of life, and did not become strong and heavy on meat. When my camel was ready, I would seat myself in the howdah, which my attendants would then lift on to the back of the camel; then they would attach it to the beast and we could set off.'
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#82 Mar 2, 2013
jesus is wrote:
It is easy for God. Even your Quran says that.
In the Quran when Mary asked Allah how she could have a son when no man had touched her, he replied "It is easy for me". Then Allah states that he can't beget a son. Why would he do that?
Why would God tell us what he can't do?
I asked you to explain it from the Bible not the Quran. Now suddenly you begin to believe the Quran when it suits you. Don't be such a hypocrit.

In case you don't know google beget and see what you beget!!!

Tell me how the Holy Spirit did it to a 11 -12 year old Mary?

Was that pedophilia?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#83 Mar 2, 2013
jesus is wrote:
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WHETHER SHE WAS 9, 12, 18,......
From what I see on this Board it is you and people like you who are making the age an issue. The Muslims never had a problem but you Christians do in order to malign the Muslims. live up to your name and ask yourself would Jesus approve of your behaviour? Before you start criticizing others try to look into your own backyard and see if there is any dirt you can dig up.

It seems the Muslims did a better job of documenting the detailed life of Muhammad. Whether some of it is true or not. So tell me how many total days of the life of Jesus are documented in the Bible. Even with their Hadith literature you can find the names of the transmitters and info about whether they were reliable or not. Do you have the chain of transmitters of the Gospels? Whilst you are at it see Who it is that gave you the means of documenting.....who introduced paper and ink to the west?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#84 Mar 2, 2013
jesus is wrote:
And Muhammed was so desperate to produce son that survived,(all of his sons died in infancy), that he tried a young girl as mother. BUT AISHA DIDN'T PRODUCE A CHILD!
So was your God also that desperate to have a son by a11-12 year old Mary so that your sins would be washed away? And did have to abuse his son on the cross with torture so that your pathetic sins would be forgiven. Is your God a child abuser for doing that to his son?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#85 Mar 3, 2013
jesus is wrote:
And Muhammed was so desperate to produce son that survived,(all of his sons died in infancy), that he tried a young girl as mother. BUT AISHA DIDN'T PRODUCE A CHILD!
Where do you get such nonsense from? Muhammad said Prophets do not leave heirs.

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets, and Allah has knowledge of all things.(Quran 33:40)

Yes he had many sons. One of them was named Ebrahim born to him and Maria Qutaib. This lady was gifted to him by the Christian bishop. Now you need to question why was one your Christian leaders giving a girl to someone else? Especially to some one you really despise so much. Did the Holy Spirit or Satan make him do that?

Here is what Ibn Khathir says about that event and also answers your desperation....if anyone is desperate its you.

"Maria al-Qibtiyya (may Allah be pleased with her) is said to have married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and certainly everyone gave her the same title of respect as the Prophet's wives,'Umm al Muminin''Mother of the Believers'. Maria was born in upper Egypt of a Coptic father and Greek mother and moved to the court of the Muqawqis when she was still very young. She arrived in Medina to join the Prophet's household just after the Prophet returned from the treaty with Quraish which was contracted at al-Hudaybiyya. Maria gave birth to a healthy son in 9 AH, the same year that his daughter Zaynab died, and the Prophet named his new son Ibrahim, after the ancestor of both the Jews and the Christians, the Prophet from whom all the Prophets who came after him were descended. Unfortunately, when he was only eighteen months old, Ibrahim became seriously ill and died. Even though he knew that his small son would go to the Garden, the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) could not help shedding some tears. When some of his Companions asked him why he was weeping, he replied, "It is my humanness."

As Ibrahim's body was being buried, the sun was eclipsed and it grew dark and gloomy. Some people thought this was connected with Ibrahim's death, but the Prophet soon clarified this. "The sun and the moon are two of Allah's signs," he said, "they are not eclipsed because of anyone's birth or death. When you see these signs, make haste to remember Allah in prayer." Although the kafirun used to mock the Prophet Muhammad because he had no sons, and say that he was 'cut off', Allah made it clear in the following surah that the station of the Prophet Muhammad was far above that of any other man;

In the name of Allah, The Merciful, the Compassionate: Surely We have given you AL Khawthar, so pray to your Lord and offer sacrifice. Surely he who mocks you is the one cut off.(Quran 108:1-3)

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets, and Allah has knowledge of all things.(Quran 33:40)"
Wassa

London, UK

#86 Mar 3, 2013
Muhammad was desperate for a son. That was why he married so many women. He did have a son so that is proof he desired but the son died because God did not want any more Muhammads.
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#88 Mar 3, 2013
Wassa wrote:
Muhammad was desperate for a son. That was why he married so many women. He did have a son so that is proof he desired but the son died because God did not want any more Muhammads.
Looks like you are not a good reader. Your nonsensical whims were addressed centuries ago. Believe it or not there were people like you even then. Here is what was included in my previous post......so read again:

." Although the kafirun used to mock the Prophet Muhammad because he had no sons, and say that he was 'cut off', Allah made it clear in the following surah that the station of the Prophet Muhammad was far above that of any other man;

In the name of Allah, The Merciful, the Compassionate: Surely We have given you AL Khawthar, so pray to your Lord and offer sacrifice. Surely he who mocks you is the one cut off.(Quran 108:1-3)

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets, and Allah has knowledge of all things.(Quran 33:40)"
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#89 Mar 3, 2013
Giish wrote:
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From what I see on this Board it is you and people like you who are making the age an issue. The Muslims never had a problem but you Christians do in order to malign the Muslims. live up to your name and ask yourself would Jesus approve of your behaviour?
I think he would. Did Jesus steal a girls childhood?
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>Before you start criticizing others try to look into your own backyard and see if there is any dirt you can dig up.
Hang on..........No, Nobody having sex with a child back there.
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>It seems the Muslims did a better job of documenting the detailed life of Muhammad.
AND IGNORED THE DETAILS THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
Giish wrote:
<quoted text> Whether some of it is true or not.
Why wouldn't it be. Alot of the unsavory reports call him a prophet and and are favorable towards him.
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>So tell me how many total days of the life of Jesus are documented in the Bible.
The days that mattered!!!!!!
NO AUTHENTIC GOSPEL AUTHOR KNEW HIM AS HE WAS GROWING UP, SO ONLY TWO BRIEFLY MENTIONED HIS BIRTH, WHICH THEY WERE LIKELY TOLD ABOUT BY EYEWITNESSES.

If they didn't interview someone like Mary, why didn't they try to detail all of his growing years?
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>Even with their Hadith literature you can find the names of the transmitters and info about whether they were reliable or not.
If the transmitters were willing to put their names to the hadith, WHY WOULD ANY OF THEM BE UNRELIABLE?
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have the chain of transmitters of the Gospels?
YES!
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#90 Mar 3, 2013
WHEN WERE THE GOSPELS WRITTEN AND BY WHO:
http://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and...
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#91 Mar 3, 2013
ANSWERING ISLAM - WHO WROTE THE GOSPELS?:
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thomps...
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#92 Mar 3, 2013
Giish wrote:
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I asked you to explain it from the Bible not the Quran. Now suddenly you begin to believe the Quran when it suits you. Don't be such a hypocrit.
Don't be such an idiot!
I agree and the Bible agrees only that anything is easy for God!
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>In case you don't know google beget and see what you beget!!!
Tell me how the Holy Spirit did it to a 11 -12 year old Mary?
Was that pedophilia?
NO IT WASN'T PEDOPHILIA! Mary was at the average age that a female menstruates. All Jewish girls at that age were married off after spending their entire childhood years preparing for it!
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#93 Mar 3, 2013
I point things out from the Quran to show you why you shouldn't argue with whatever point I'm making.
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#94 Mar 3, 2013
jesus is wrote:
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I think he would. Did Jesus steal a girls childhood?
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Hang on..........No, Nobody having sex with a child back there.
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AND IGNORED THE DETAILS THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
<quoted text>
Why wouldn't it be. Alot of the unsavory reports call him a prophet and and are favorable towards him.
<quoted text>
The days that mattered!!!!!!
NO AUTHENTIC GOSPEL AUTHOR KNEW HIM AS HE WAS GROWING UP, SO ONLY TWO BRIEFLY MENTIONED HIS BIRTH, WHICH THEY WERE LIKELY TOLD ABOUT BY EYEWITNESSES.
If they didn't interview someone like Mary, why didn't they try to detail all of his growing years?
<quoted text>
If the transmitters were willing to put their names to the hadith, WHY WOULD ANY OF THEM BE UNRELIABLE?
<quoted text>
YES!
Anyone can put up stuff like you do . So similarly there were people in the hadith who did that. yet they were unreliable and had thier agendas like you do. So are you reliable? I would say not judging by all your false comments.

Regarding Jesus being proud of you you certainly are in for a surprise when you do get to meet him. Now what did he say about certain people?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#95 Mar 3, 2013
jesus is wrote:
I point things out from the Quran to show you why you shouldn't argue with whatever point I'm making.
And I am showing you your double standards and unrelability....you ain't making any pointing out anything.. It's all hogwash.

So how exactly according to your holy bible did the Holy Spirit do it to a young11-12 year old Mary.?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#96 Mar 3, 2013
jesus is wrote:
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Don't be such an idiot!
I agree and the Bible agrees only that anything is easy for God!
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NO IT WASN'T PEDOPHILIA! Mary was at the average age that a female menstruates. All Jewish girls at that age were married off after spending their entire childhood years preparing for it!
So the why do you worry about Aisha? I have already pointed out what her age most likely was. I suggest you go and educate yourself on the science of Hadith before you blabber.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#97 Mar 3, 2013
Giish wrote:
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So was your God also that desperate to have a son by a11-12 year old Mary so that your sins would be washed away?
God is never desperate but He planned it.

OLD TESTAMENT JERAMIAH 31:31
'31 "Behold, days are coming," declares Yahweh, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares Yahweh. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares Yahweh, "I will put my Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying,'Know Yahweh,' for they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares Yahweh, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Giish wrote:
<quoted text>And did have to abuse his son on the cross with torture so that your pathetic sins would be forgiven. Is your God a child abuser for doing that to his son?
THAT WAS GOD'S SACRIFICE FOR US!!!!!!
And God was showing us that He is greater than all the torture, suffering and rejection that other humans could dish out for a person put together. WHY WOULD HE RUN LIKE A COWARD?
Giish

Cimahi, Indonesia

#99 Mar 3, 2013
jesus is wrote:
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God is never desperate but He planned it.
OLD TESTAMENT JERAMIAH 31:31
'31 "Behold, days are coming," declares Yahweh, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares Yahweh. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares Yahweh, "I will put my Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying,'Know Yahweh,' for they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares Yahweh, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
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THAT WAS GOD'S SACRIFICE FOR US!!!!!!
And God was showing us that He is greater than all the torture, suffering and rejection that other humans could dish out for a person put together. WHY WOULD HE RUN LIKE A COWARD?
What has running like a coward to do with anything?

Why does God have to be a child abuser and abuse and torture his so called son so that your puny sins are forgiven? Maybe people like you are happy and take pride in such abuse. I don't.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#100 Mar 3, 2013
Giish wrote:
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Tell me how the Holy Spirit did it to a 11 -12 year old Mary?
Was that pedophilia?
GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT LIKE GOD'S CREATIONS!!!!!The Holy Spirit placed the fertilized egg inside of her!

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