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REAL AGE OF AISHA: A Clarification from Muslims

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ISLAM WORLD

UAE

#1 Nov 18, 2007
NOTE:

Aisha RA has never been mentioned in the HOLY QURAAN except for generalization...To refer to verses that talk about Women in Islam, see this

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/177.html

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There is material from both these hadith writers and earlier Islamic histories suggesting Aisha must have been older than nine when married.

According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE.However, because no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.

Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.

Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.

Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.

According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at fifty-two.

Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn Urwa reporting on the authority of his father. All the narratives of this event have been reported through narrators from Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have shifted after living in Madinah for seventy-one years.

It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Muhammad reports that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said,“narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”.

It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.
PQS

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#2 Nov 18, 2007
It does not matter whatever you say. The nonbelivers would try to belittle the Holy Prophet (PBUH). We know that the prophet was right even if he marries a six year girl. He is perfact and righteous. He is the Alla's messenger.

Chant:
LA ILAHA ILLALLAHU MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH.

Meaning:
There is no God but Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) is the messenger of Allah.

He is the perfact.

He is a perfact husband.
Perfact father.
Perfact son.
Perfact soldier.
Perfact staesman.
Perfact neighbour.
Perfact nephew.
Perfact colleague.
Perfact teacher.

Indeed he is a Perfact human being superior to all from Adam to the last man to come.

Evil Christian and Jews if you want to get rid of hell accept ISLAM
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#3 Nov 18, 2007
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
NOTE:
Aisha RA has never been mentioned in the HOLY QURAAN except for generalization...To refer to verses that talk about Women in Islam, see this
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/177.html
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There is material from both these hadith writers and earlier Islamic histories suggesting Aisha must have been older than nine when married.
According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE.However, because no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.
Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.
Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.
According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at fifty-two.
Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn Urwa reporting on the authority of his father. All the narratives of this event have been reported through narrators from Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have shifted after living in Madinah for seventy-one years.
It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Muhammad reports that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said,“narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”.
It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.
are you saying that bukhari is unreliable?

Since: Nov 07

TEXAS

#4 Nov 18, 2007
Alhamdillalah
May Allah bless you, Islam world. Great post.
Everything good comes from Allah (God).

La Ilaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasululullah!
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#5 Nov 18, 2007
For those of you wishing to disregard Muhammad'd and aisha's words in Bukhari:

[3.32] Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

see the 26 verses that tell you to obey muhammad:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-i...
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#6 Nov 18, 2007
The quran tells you to obey muhammad, why are you trying to disprove muhammad's words in SAHIH(authentic) BUKHARI ?
ISLAM WORLD

UAE

#7 Nov 18, 2007
popsicles wrote:
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are you saying that bukhari is unreliable?
No am saying, please explain this from your Bible first before you talk about Aisha
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
In your bible:
Numbers 31:17-18

"all the young girls, who have not known a man by lying with him" be kept alive for the Israelites.
Since the only females left fit for marriage and wholesome relations were prepubescent virgins, a Jewish law concerning child marriage was enacted.

That law is found in the Babylonian Talmud:
"Rabbi Joseph said,'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught:'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.'
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#8 Nov 18, 2007
PQS wrote:
It does not matter whatever you say. The nonbelivers would try to belittle the Holy Prophet (PBUH). We know that the prophet was right even if he marries a six year girl. He is perfact and righteous. He is the Alla's messenger.
Chant:
LA ILAHA ILLALLAHU MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH.
Meaning:
There is no God but Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) is the messenger of Allah.
He is the perfact.
He is a perfact husband.
Perfact father.
Perfact son.
Perfact soldier.
Perfact staesman.
Perfact neighbour.
Perfact nephew.
Perfact colleague.
Perfact teacher.
Indeed he is a Perfact human being superior to all from Adam to the last man to come.
Evil Christian and Jews if you want to get rid of hell accept ISLAM
your chanting is equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and saying "LALALALALALAL I can't hear you! LALALALALALALALALALALALA"
Meme

Ortovero, Italy

#9 Nov 18, 2007
Narrated 'Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.(The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

-http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/f undamentals/hadithsunnah/bukha ri/073.sbt.html#008.073.151

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

-http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/f undamentals/hadithsunnah/musli m/008.smt.html#008.3311

Regardless of what you think, Muslims back then considered her to be 'pre-pubescent', in Islam it is correct to say they view Aisha as pre-pubescent at the time of having sex with Muhammad.

The evidence supports this.
ISLAM WORLD

UAE

#10 Nov 18, 2007
popsicles wrote:
<quoted text>
your chanting is equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and saying "LALALALALALAL I can't hear you! LALALALALALALALALALALALA"
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
In your bible:
Numbers 31:17-18

"Rabbi Joseph said,'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught:'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.'
Almost because you can't refute what is written in your bible and talk about Others without enough knowledge...

Because you don't want to hear, I gave you a reason

Since: Nov 07

TEXAS

#11 Nov 18, 2007
popsicles wrote:
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your chanting is equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and saying "LALALALALALAL I can't hear you! LALALALALALALALALALALALA"
Popsicles you are very close. You have the FIRST part down fine. LA LA LA LA LA LA

Now the second part- La Illaha
La Illaha La Illaha La Illaha

Almost there....
and finally- La illaha illallah!
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#12 Nov 18, 2007
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Almost because you can't refute what is written in your bible and talk about Others without enough knowledge...
Because you don't want to hear, I gave you a reason
I've told you in another thread, these are paedos too. Are you comparing muhammad to them?

Well I do too!

The only difference is that I don't look up to these people, Jesus is my only example. He wasn't a pervert.

You look up to a pervert.

do you get it now?
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#13 Nov 18, 2007
It does not matter if Aisha radiallahu anha was 6 0r 15 years of age. Majority of sources say she was 6 years and we shd take it as that. We shd not compromise or change some age because the non muslims say this is wrong and that is wrong. Non muslims made halal what Allah had made haram and they made haram what Allah had made halal.
Meme

Ortovero, Italy

#14 Nov 18, 2007
Rayn wrote:
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Popsicles you are very close. You have the FIRST part down fine. LA LA LA LA LA LA
Now the second part- La Illaha
La Illaha La Illaha La Illaha
Almost there....
and finally- La illaha illallah!
Ululating to the Moon God!
You seem an expert in dog's language.
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#15 Nov 18, 2007
Ha Ha wrote:
It does not matter if Aisha radiallahu anha was 6 0r 15 years of age. Majority of sources say she was 6 years and we shd take it as that. We shd not compromise or change some age because the non muslims say this is wrong and that is wrong. Non muslims made halal what Allah had made haram and they made haram what Allah had made halal.
you stand firm 'ha ha'!
most muslims are crumbling under the pressure. They'd rather believe that their holy books are wrong than believe that muhammad was a kiddy-lover.
Ha Ha

Singapore, Singapore

#16 Nov 18, 2007
popsicles wrote:
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you stand firm 'ha ha'!
most muslims are crumbling under the pressure. They'd rather believe that their holy books are wrong than believe that muhammad was a kiddy-lover.
Sorry popsicle, I reject the last part of your comment.
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#17 Nov 18, 2007
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry popsicle, I reject the last part of your comment.
I know you think a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl is OK, a lot of muslims, like most non-muslims, DO have a problem with that.
ISLAM WORLD

UAE

#18 Nov 19, 2007
popsicles wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you think a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl is OK, a lot of muslims, like most non-muslims, DO have a problem with that.
When you explain this,
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
"Rabbi Joseph said,'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught:'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.
We will be able to explain Why Mohamed got married with Khadija and Aisha.Give us a reason why your bible condones "peodohilia" .Infact Aisha is not even mentioned in the Quraan.

How does your Bible accept "bethrothing" 3 year Olds leave alone talking about 6/9 year olds.
popsicles

Falkirk, UK

#19 Nov 19, 2007
ISLAM WORLD wrote:
<quoted text>
When you explain this,
<quoted text>
We will be able to explain Why Mohamed got married with Khadija and Aisha.Give us a reason why your bible condones "peodohilia" .Infact Aisha is not even mentioned in the Quraan.
How does your Bible accept "bethrothing" 3 year Olds leave alone talking about 6/9 year olds.
Rabbi Joseph ,Mishnah and Gemara were sick perverts if what you say is true.

Muhammad was a sick pervert too.

Rabbi Joseph ,Mishnah and Gemara are not considered to be "perfect men", muhammad is the "perfect men".

That is the difference my friend
ISLAM WORLD

UAE

#20 Nov 19, 2007
popsicles wrote:
<quoted text>
Rabbi Joseph ,Mishnah and Gemara were sick perverts if what you say is true.
Muhammad was a sick pervert too.
Rabbi Joseph ,Mishnah and Gemara are not considered to be "perfect men", muhammad is the "perfect men".
That is the difference my friend
You have not explained to me why your Bible accepts bethrothing 3 years olds.You are talking about people.But do u know what you call a pedophile?...

See My new Topic for discussion.

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