Honor-Killing Awareness - It Is Islamic!
Timesten

Pittsfield, MA

#118 Jul 30, 2012
When you keep throwing strawman arguments like this, you're telling us that you have nothing to respond to the real topic here

That didn't answer my Q' tin can
Are Americans military honorable when they kill innocent people?

Yes or No.

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#119 Jul 30, 2012
Ah, a new page, so I'll just repost:

When you keep throwing strawman arguments like this, you're telling us that you have nothing to respond to the real topic here.

Do you have any source that instructs American military to kill innocent people? If thats the case the war would be much simpler to "win", we didn't have to spend tons of money developing pin-point weapons to reduce civilian deaths and in many cases we don't need ground troops at all. Have you seen better effort not to harm civilians in the history of wars?(compare that to Muhammad's beheading of every post-puberty jews after the infamous genocidal battle)

If that is the best you have (since you kept repeating the nonsense to distract from the topic), do you have a way to fight a war without causing collateral damage?

Unless you have a realistic way of fighting those cowards without harming any civilians, you're just telling us not to fight those terrorists - and you're also telling us to let terrorists win by enslaving their civilians (with or without their knowledge). So let me ask you from a reverse direction: Would American military be honorable to let the terrorists win that way by doing whatever they want because we can't find a sure way to fight without causing civilian deaths?

And more innocent muslims are killed in the hands of muslims, you never seem to mention that, why?

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#120 Jul 30, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
When you keep throwing strawman arguments like this, you're telling us that you have nothing to respond to the real topic here.
Do you have any source that instructs American military to kill innocent people? If thats the case the war would be much simpler to "win", we didn't have to spend tons of money developing pin-point weapons to reduce civilian deaths and in many cases we don't need ground troops at all. Have you seen better effort not to harm civilians in the history of wars?(compare that to Muhammad's beheading of every post-puberty jews after the infamous genocidal battle)
If that is the best you have (since you kept repeating the nonsense to distract from the topic), do you have a way to fight a war without causing collateral damage?
Unless you have a realistic way of fighting those cowards without harming any civilians, you're just telling us not to fight those terrorists - and you're also telling us to let terrorists win by enslaving their civilians (with or without their knowledge). So let me ask you from a reverse direction: Would American military be honorable to let the terrorists win that way by doing whatever they want because we can't find a sure way to fight without causing civilian deaths?
And more innocent muslims are killed in the hands of muslims, you never seem to mention that, why?
And YES, knowing that their missions only target terrorists, knowing that they risk their own lives to fight for justice, knowing that they have the courage to pull the trigger despite the risk have lifelong remorse if any innocents might be killed - something you and I wouldn't have to even think of... our military is honorable and have my full support.
Timesten

Pittsfield, MA

#121 Jul 30, 2012
That didn't answer my Q' either tin can
Are Americans military honorable when they kill innocent people?

Yes or No.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#122 Jul 30, 2012
Rustly talking to Tommy is like talking to a chicken.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#123 Jul 30, 2012
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
<quoted text>
nice and peaceful, but here the rest of the answer goes:
www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TISO03D56S...
Here's the flip side to yours..

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T4M...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TTS...
.
That's your honor huh?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Didsbury, Canada

#124 Jul 30, 2012
Trisha wrote:
Rustly talking to Tommy is like talking to a chicken.
Made out of rocks;-)

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#126 Jul 30, 2012
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>
Y/w..
""Women in Pakistan face all kinds of gross violence and abuse at the hands of the male perpetuators family members and state agents."
Now read here
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TLM...
Thanks for pointing that out, but I didn't write that. The article is from one of the most highly regarded muslim apologetic web site.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#127 Jul 30, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for pointing that out, but I didn't write that. The article is from one of the most highly regarded muslim apologetic web site.
And you also didn't write a reply to this one above either..
That didn't answer my Q' either tin can
Are Americans military honorable when they kill innocent people?

Yes or No.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#128 Jul 30, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
And YES, knowing that their missions only target terrorists, knowing that they risk their own lives to fight for justice, knowing that they have the courage to pull the trigger despite the risk have lifelong remorse if any innocents might be killed - something you and I wouldn't have to even think of... our military is honorable and have my full support.
That is a fact, a reality he cannot deal with.

Odd considering he claims to have served in the military.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#129 Jul 30, 2012
You just don't give up your ignorance do you. Isaid I was a DJ for 4 years and you said Iwasn't. Knw how would you know that miss denialist?
.
And as far as the Military connection goes..
Trisha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a fact, a reality he cannot deal with.
Odd considering he claims to have served in the military.
US ARMY Big Red One 52nd battalion
ADA Specialist 4th class
Hawk Missle Division
DMZ Pobwroni South Korea 1972-1974
.
I worked with these
Hawk Missiles
https://www.google.com/search...
.
https://www.google.com/search...
.
Would you like to know my CO's name also?
Now tell me I didn't do that either.

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/1...
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Why don't you go take a walk in the mountains and smell the scenery. It might do you a bit of good..

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#130 Jul 30, 2012
Trisha wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a fact, a reality he cannot deal with.
Odd considering he claims to have served in the military.
He can only repeat the same sentence that even a kindergarten kid would find flaw. Did you hypnotize him into a broken vinyl record that keeps looping back to the same locked groove?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#131 Jul 31, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>He can only repeat the same sentence that even a kindergarten kid would find flaw. Did you hypnotize him into a broken vinyl record that keeps looping back to the same locked groove?
The troll didn't get the answer he wanted so he ignores the answer you gave him.

Just another of his dishonest tactics used to hold his fantasy world intact.
george whyte

Barking, UK

#133 Jul 31, 2012
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
This paragraph taken from one of the most scholary muslim web site islamawareness.net :
Article 340 of the Jordan Penal Code, reads in part,“Anyone catching his wife or one of his immediate family in a flagrant act of fornication with another person, and kills, injures or harms both or either of them, will benefit from the exculpating excuse…” In response to recent moves by King Abdullah II of Jordan to eliminate this part of the code, one “Islamic” group responded,“those who are voicing their concern for the lives of a group of women, they ought to show concern for their lives as chaste women with their honor protected, otherwise, what is life worth for a woman who profaned her honor and stained the reputation of everyone related to her? Who would repair the moral damage that she has inflicted upon her family? Her killing would probably be a salvation for her from the misery of living with her sin.”
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/h...
and for that, the author decided to take on this research regarding this confusing issue "Islamic ruling on the matter of honor killings", which in his words are "usually applied one-sidedly to women, but rarely if ever to men." (muslims own word, not Pawn's... Pawn was told that muslims treat their women fairly)
And in another article, a fatwa states:
It’s a well-known fact that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. In the Glorious Qur’an, Allah, Most High, says,“Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.”(An-Nisa’: 93)
but then it immediately followed:
Abdullah ibn Masud, may Allah be pleased with him, reported that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three instances: the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
To confuse you further, it claims next:
“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.
If you're as unconvinced as I am (regarding Islam's prohibition of honor killing), the author's ultimate answer should convince you NEVER to allow Islamic Law to take root in America:
"First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court."
(but isn't that exactly what the "authoritative law court" allowed in their Penal Code to excuse the killer? So basically islamawareness is saying that honor-killing is ok if muslim authority says so.)
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/f...
the topic of this thread

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#134 Jul 31, 2012
passerby wrote:
Even more for those misogynistic islamic ilk to swallow.
Women;s IQ higher than men
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/smarter-sex-womens-a...
My pet rock is smarter than you..
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#135 Aug 3, 2012
"LONDON (AP)— A British court has found a mother and father guilty of murdering their teen-age daughter in a so-called honor killing.
The Chester Crown Court found that Iftikhar and Farzana Ahmed, both originally from Pakistan, suffocated their 17-year-old daughter, Shafilea, in 2003.
During the trial in northern England, Shafilea's sister Alesha told the jury that her parents pushed Shafilea onto the couch and she heard her mother say "just finish it here" as they forced a plastic bag into the girl's mouth.
She said her parents thought that Shafilea was too westernized. She also said Alesha refused an arranged marriage."

They killed their own child because they thought she was too "westernized"....... .Think about this.......

These filthy animals have no conscience. Islam renders its followers mentally ill.....

Their own child.

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#138 Dec 1, 2012
Some pre-2009 list from North America:

Victim: Palestina Isa (16)
Where: 1989 St. Louis, MO
By: Maria & Zein Isa, parents, sisters also encouraged it / West Bank
Why: "Too American," refused to travel with her father, a member of the Abu Nidal Palestinian terrorist group, as "cover."
How: Stabbed 13 times by father as her mother held her down.
__________

Methal Dayem (22)
1999, Cleveland, OH
Yezen Dayem, Musa Saleh, cousins / West Bank
Refused to marry cousin; attended college; sought independent career; drove car; too independent; turned back on culture.
Two cousins allegedly shot her, choked on own blood.
__________

Lubaina Bhatti Ahmed (39)
1999, St. Clairsville, OH
Nawaz Ahmed, estranged husband / Pakistan
Filed for divorce.
Throat cut; her father, sister and sister's young child's throat also cut.
__________

Farah Khan (5)
1999, Toronto, Canada
Muhammed Khan, father, and Kaneez Fatma, stepmother / unknown region.
Suspected child was not his biologically.
Father and step-mother cut her throat, dismembered her body.
__________

Shahpara Sayeed (33)
2000, Chicago, IL
Mohammad Harroon, husband / Pakistan
Motive is unclear. But they had been fighting for months.
Burned alive
__________

Marlyn Hassan (29)
2002, Jersey City, NJ
Alim Hassan, husband / Guyana (Hindu wife)
His wife refused to convert from Hinduism to Islam.
Husband, an auto mechanic, stabbed wife (and the twins in her womb), the wife's sister, and the wife's mother.
__________

Hatice Peltek (39)
2004, Scottsville, NY
Ismail Peltek, husband / Turkey (M)
Had been molested by brother-in-law
Stabbed, bludgeoned with hammer along with daughters.
__________

Aqsa Parvez (16)
2007, Toronto, Canada
Muhammad Parvez. father, Waqas Parvez, brother
Refusing to wear hijab.
Strangled
__________

Amina Said (17)
2008, Irving, TX
Yaser Said, father; mother assisted / Egypt
Upset by her "Western" ways.
Shot
__________

Sarah Said (18)
2008, Irving, TX
Yaser Said, father; mother assisted / Egypt
Upset by her "Western" ways
Shot
__________

Fauzia Mohammed (19)
2008, Henriettta, NY
Goaded by mother, Waheed Allah Mohammed, brother / Afghanistan
Too "Western," immodest clothing, planned to attend college in New York City
Stabbed
__________

Sandeela Kanwal (25)
2008, Atlanta, GA
Chaudry Rashid, father / Pakistan
Filed for divorce after arranged marriage
Strangled

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#139 Dec 1, 2012
Pre-2009 list from Europe:

Rukhsana Naz (19)
1999 England
Brother and mother / Pakistan
Refused arranged marriage; pregnant with boyfriend's baby.
Strangled by brother while held down by mother
__________

Fadime Sahindal (32)
2002 Sweden
Father and brother / Kurds from Turkey
Rejected arranged marriage; dated non-Muslim; sought higher education; sought legal remedy against father and brother.
Shot
__________

Heshu Yones (16)
2002 England
Abdalla Yones, father / Iraq
Dating a Christian; too Western.
Stabbed, throat cut
__________

Sohane Benziane (17)
2002 France
Jamal Derrar, ex-boyfriend and schoolmates / Algeria
Too Western
Raped, tortured, and burned alive
__________

Anooshe Sediq Ghulam (22)
2002 Norway
Nasruddin Shamsi, husband / Afghanistan
Failure to listen to her husband, divorce.
Shot
__________

Maja Bradaric (16)
2003 The Netherlands
Nephew and 3 others / Bosnia
Using Internet to find a boyfriend
Burned to death
__________

Sahjda Bibi (21)
2003 England
Rafaqat Hussain, cousin / Pakistan
Refused arranged marriage
Stabbed 22 times
__________

Shafilea Ahmed (16)
2003 England
Parents suspected / Pakistan
Opposed her parents' plans for an arranged marriage
Strangled or smothered
__________

"Gul" (32)
2004 The Netherlands
Husband/Afghanistan
Sought divorce
Shot
__________

Hatin Surucu (23)
2005 Germany
Three brothers / Turkey
Fled forced marriage; did not wear scarf.
Shot
__________

Rudina Qinami (16)
2005 Albania
Father / Albania
Accepted ride by male, non-relative.
Shot
__________

Banaz Mahmod (20)
2006 England
Mahmod Mahmod, father, her uncle Ari Mahmod / Kurds from Iraq
Having an "affair".
Raped, strangled
__________

Samaira Nazir (25)
2006 England
Azhar Nazir, brother and cousin / Pakistan
Fell in love with Afghan refugee; refused to consider arranged marriage in Pakistan
Stabbing, throat cut
__________

Sazan Bajez-Abdullah (24)
2006 Germany
Kazim Mahmud, husband / Iraq
Acting in an "immodest "way.
Stabbed, set on fire
__________

Sabia Rani (19)
2006 England
Shazad Khan, husband and in-laws / Pakistan
Wanted divorce
Beaten
__________

Ghazala Khan (18)
2006 Denmark
Brother, father and other family members / Pakistan
Family did not approve of husband
Shot
__________

Caneze Riaz (39)
2006 England
Mohammed Riaz, husband / Pakistan
Too westernized
Immolated
__________

Sayrah Riaz (16)
2006 England
Mohammed Riaz, father / Pakistan
Too westernized
Immolated
__________

Sophia Riaz (15)
2006 England
Mohammed Riaz, father / Pakistan
Too westernized
Immolated
__________

Alicia Riaz (10)
2006 England
Mohammed Riaz, father / Pakistan
Too westernized
Immolated
__________

Hannah Riaz (3)
2006 England
Mohammed Riaz, father / Pakistan
Too westernized
Immolated
__________

Hina Saleem (21)
2006 Italy
Father and brother-in-law / Pakistan
Did not respect Pakistani culture, divorced, wore clothing that showed her midriff
Stabbed
__________

Sana Ali (17)
2007 England
Husband / Pakistan
Not known, but detectives consider honor motive
Stabbed
__________

Morsal Obeidi (16)
2008 Germany
Ahmad Obeidi, brother, and cousin / Afghanistan
Wanted too much freedom; did not appreciate Muslim values
Stabbed

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#141 Dec 1, 2012
I-hate-kafir

Northmead, Australia

#142 Dec 2, 2012
why won't you idiots also talk about the same treatments among the Hindus? they do basically the same thing, like acid throwing and burning one alive for dowery. honor killing is not part of Islam but some people's strange customs. a person who has premarital sex under Islam gets whipped not killed that is only for adulterous. i said under islam not cultural customs.

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