To Muslims Who Claim Hitler Was Chris...

To Muslims Who Claim Hitler Was Christian

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Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#1 Feb 10, 2011
How often have we noticed muslim posters trying to associate Hitler with Christianity? Hitler killed christians in addition to Jews.

Some muslims may have delibrately distorted the fact, but many may have just believed everything they heard circulating in their community.

Here's quotes from Hitler that proves he was anything but Christian.(In fact, he's more 'islamic' in his hatred of both Jews and Christians)

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We are the joyous Hitler youth,
We do not need any Christian virtue
Our leader is our savior
The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
We want to be pagans once again.”

- Song sung by Hitler youth

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“The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.”

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans.,(Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 7

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“The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”

- Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans.,(Oxford, 1953), Hitler's Table-Talk, p. 51

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Pawn-King-Nine

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#3 Feb 11, 2011
Super Saiyajin 4 Gogeta wrote:
Definition of table talk:
"conversation during a meal
conversation - the use of speech for informal exchange of views or ideas or information etc".
Last time, after the meal,I cursed My Grand Ma twice, It doesn't mean I hate her.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm
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We know Hitler paid lip services to christian community to rise to power. You judge a man by what he ultimately do, not what he portray himself to be. He had declared goal to destroy christian faith and executed many pasters. What kind of christian did that make him?

I disagree with you on discrediting his "table talks". Those talks provided more accurate reflection of one's view than those speeches he used publicly with a purpose.

http://answering-islam.org/Q-A-panel/hitler.h...
http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hitlerisla...
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Inquiries/Jesus/...
Super Saiyajin 4 Gogeta wrote:
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All right, you win, kid...

I wasn't aware that I was in a competition
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#4 Feb 11, 2011
I just downloaded this ebook (over 700 pages) that records all Hitler's table talks:

http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/english/Adolf%2... 's%20Table%20Talk-1941-1944.pd f

You don't have to read ver7y far to know the he (and his dinner guests) are anti-Christians. Some examples from beginning of the book:

Page 78 (of the pdf)
The Slav peoples are not destined to live a cleanly life. They
know it, and we would be wrong to persuade them of the contrary.
It was we who, in 1918, created the Baltic countries
and the Ukraine. But nowadays we have no interest in maintaining
Baltic States, any more than in creating an independent
Ukraine. We must likewise prevent them from returning to
Christianity. That would be a grave fault, for it would be
giving them a form of organisation.

Page 95: 10th October 1941, midday
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest
against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity
would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

Page 103:
14th October 1941, midday
SPECIAL GUEST: REICHSFUEHRER HIMMLER
"Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid
of things that can't, or can't yet, be explained—that is to say,
of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature,
I can't satisfy them with the Party's programme. Time will go
by until the moment when science can answer all the questions.
So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle
with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a
natural death. A slow death has something comforting about
it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the
advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more
concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is
to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic
and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has
become widespread, when the majority of men know that the
stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited
worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted
of absurdity.

Page 104:
Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in
this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse.
Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the
more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will
decline.

Page 122:
It's striking to observe that Christian ideas, despite all St.
Paul's efforts, had no success in Athens. The philosophy of the
Greeks was so much superior to this poverty-stricken rubbish
that the Athenians burst out laughing when they listened to the
apostle's teaching. But in Rome St. Paul found the ground prepared
for him. His egalitarian theories had what was needed to
win over a mass composed of innumerable uprooted people.
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#5 Feb 11, 2011
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
I just downloaded this ebook (over 700 pages) that records all Hitler's table talks:
http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/english/Adolf%2... 's%20Table%20Talk-1941-1944.pd f
You don't have to read ver7y far to know the he (and his dinner guests) are anti-Christians. Some examples from beginning of the book:
Page 78 (of the pdf)
The Slav peoples are not destined to live a cleanly life. They
know it, and we would be wrong to persuade them of the contrary.
It was we who, in 1918, created the Baltic countries
and the Ukraine. But nowadays we have no interest in maintaining
Baltic States, any more than in creating an independent
Ukraine. We must likewise prevent them from returning to
Christianity. That would be a grave fault, for it would be
giving them a form of organisation.
Page 95: 10th October 1941, midday
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest
against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity
would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.
Page 103:
14th October 1941, midday
SPECIAL GUEST: REICHSFUEHRER HIMMLER
"Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid
of things that can't, or can't yet, be explained—that is to say,
of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature,
I can't satisfy them with the Party's programme. Time will go
by until the moment when science can answer all the questions.
So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle
with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a
natural death. A slow death has something comforting about
it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the
advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more
concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is
to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic
and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has
become widespread, when the majority of men know that the
stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited
worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted
of absurdity.
Page 104:
Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in
this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse.
Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the
more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will
decline.
Page 122:
It's striking to observe that Christian ideas, despite all St.
Paul's efforts, had no success in Athens. The philosophy of the
Greeks was so much superior to this poverty-stricken rubbish
that the Athenians burst out laughing when they listened to the
apostle's teaching. But in Rome St. Paul found the ground prepared
for him. His egalitarian theories had what was needed to
win over a mass composed of innumerable uprooted people.
well, Topix broke the PDF link, but fear not, just go to one directory above and click the 4th link (7.0 mb)

http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/english/

and there are many more PDFs about hitler for you to check.

“Why are you so serious?”

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#8 Oct 24, 2011
Ha...well down he sounds like a pagan! It turn out to be holocast of jews AND CHRISTIANS.

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#10 Jun 30, 2012
This needs to be seen again.

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#14 Sep 25, 2013
Hitler was born Catholic just as Stalin was born into the Russian Orthodox Church and Mao was raised as a Buddhist. These facts prove nothing as many people reject their religious upbringing, as these three men did... historian Allan Bullock writes, Hitler “had no time at all for Catholic teaching, regarding it as a religion fit only for slaves and detesting its ethics.”

Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.

He called Christianity one of the great “scourges” of history, and said of the Germans,“Let’s be the only people who are immunized against this disease.”(Sounds like you and Bob?)

He promised that “through the peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity.” In fact, he blamed the Jews for inventing Christianity. He also condemned Christianity for its opposition to evolution.

Hitler reserved special scorn for the Christian values of equality and compassion, which he identified with weakness. Hitler’s leading advisers like Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich and Bormann were atheists who hated religion and sought to eradicate its influence in Germany.

During his ascent to power, Hitler needed the support of the German people—both the Bavarian Catholics and the Prussian Lutherans—and to secure this he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work.” To claim that this rhetoric makes Hitler a Christian is to confuse political opportunism with personal conviction.

Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.

Richard Evans writes that “the Nazis regarded the churches as the strongest and toughest reservoirs of ideological opposition to the principles they believed in.” Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, they launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken the Christian churches in Germany. Evans points out that after 1937 the policies of Hitler’s government became increasingly anti-religious.

The Nazis stopped celebrating Christmas, and the Hitler Youth recited a prayer thanking the Fuhrer rather than God for their blessings. Clergy regarded as “troublemakers” were ordered not to preach, hundreds of them were imprisoned, and many were simply murdered. Churches were under constant Gestapo surveillance. The Nazis closed religious schools, forced Christian organizations to disband, dismissed civil servants who were practicing Christians, confiscated church property, and censored religious newspapers.

As historian Richard Weikart documents, both Hitler and Himmler were admirers of Darwin and often spoke of their role as enacting a “law of nature” that guaranteed the “elimination of the unfit.” Weikart argues that Hitler himself “drew upon a bountiful fund of social Darwinist thought to construct his own racist philosophy” and concludes that while Darwinism is not a “sufficient” intellectual explanation for Nazism, it is a “necessary” one. Without Darwinism, there might not have been Nazism.

The Nazis also drew on the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, adapting his atheist philosophy to their crude purposes. Nietzsche’s vision of the ubermensch and his elevation of a new ethic “beyond good and evil” were avidly embraced by Nazi propagandists. Nietzsche’s “will to power” almost became a Nazi recruitment slogan.

http://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2...

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#15 Sep 25, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
He called Christianity one of the great “scourges” of history, and said of the Germans,“Let’s be the only people who are immunized against this disease.”(Sounds like you and Bob?)
forget that "Sound like you and Bob" part... I copy/paste from my response to some super nice atheists from another planet.

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#16 Sep 25, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
forget that "Sound like you and Bob" part... I copy/paste from my response to some super nice atheists from another planet.
oops... I meant "from another thread"

“... truth will out.”

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#17 Sep 26, 2013
Trisha wrote:
This needs to be seen again.
Saw it and posted it to the main page with artwork.

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#19 Sep 29, 2013
Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
<quoted text>
We know Hitler paid lip services to christian community to rise to power. You judge a man by what he ultimately do, not what he portray himself to be. He had declared goal to destroy christian faith and executed many pasters. What kind of christian did that make him?
I disagree with you on discrediting his "table talks". Those talks provided more accurate reflection of one's view than those speeches he used publicly with a purpose.
http://answering-islam.org/Q-A-panel/hitler.h...
http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hitlerisla...
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Inquiries/Jesus/...
<quoted text>
All right, you win, kid...
I wasn't aware that I was in a competition
What a load of bull. Then we could just say Osama wasn't Muslim because Al-Qaeda killed far more Muslims than non-Muslims. The fact is Hitler made it really obvious that he was Christian and now you're searching the depths of the Internet for sources saying he wasn't Christian. History has written him as a Christian and you can't deny the harsh reality.

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#20 Sep 29, 2013
Hitler was not a Christian.

'Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Various scholars consider Hitler's final religious position to be one of deism. Some have used the terminology that he did not "believe in God", others that he was "atheist". The question is debated. During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, he made various comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik") movements, and in favour of so-called positive Christianity (a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy). In private, confidantes such as Martin Bormann, Joseph Goebbels and Albert Speer noted that he was hostile to Christianity (though Speer also wrote that he never formally left the Church).

In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and supportive of the separation between church and state, while criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s, Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted a persecution of the Catholic Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...

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