Jesus and his resurrection in the Quran.

Jesus and his resurrection in the Quran.

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Since: Nov 08

Jellystone National Park.

#1 Apr 7, 2009
I remember seeing these 2 threads regarding the ressurection of Jesus ... but then I decided to do some research for myself ... because all this Muslim kept referring to was things from the bible ... but seem to leave a very important detail out .... and because Easter is nearly upon us.

Bible's jesus's ressurection myth exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TFD...

Jesus's RESURRECTION myth of BIBLE Exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T36...

With the research I found information contained in the Quran ... regarding Jesus ... and his resurrection ...

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engag...
Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 19:
MARYAM (MARY)
019.033
YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
PICKTHAL: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.

and then this:

WHAT DOES THE QURAN SAY ON THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS?

In Surah 19, Maryam, verse 33, Jesus said shortly after his birth:

"So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"

A. Jusuf Ali wrote in the footnote number 2485 of his translation of the Holy Quran (1975): "...those who believe that he (Jesus) never died should ponder over this verse."

However, such revealing remarks made by this highly respected Muslim scholar were quickly expunged and replaced with the explanatory words "Jesus was not crucified (4:157)" by the editorial board of the new edition of "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an!" (Amana Publications, Beltsville, U.S.A., 1989)
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/easter.htm

Isnt that very very interesting ...
Joseph

Surbiton, UK

#2 Apr 7, 2009
It's good news. Muhammad was a christian.
Sarah

UAE

#3 Apr 7, 2009
that was said about the prophet Yahya as well and besides that all humans in Islam will be resurrected for Judgment

019.012
YUSUFALI:(To his son came the command): "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,
PICKTHAL:(And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold fast the Scripture. And we gave him wisdom when a child,
SHAKIR: O Yahya! take hold of the Book with strength, and We granted him wisdom while yet a child

019.013
YUSUFALI: And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
PICKTHAL: And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout,
SHAKIR: And tenderness from Us and purity, and he was one who guarded (against evil),

019.014
YUSUFALI: And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
PICKTHAL: And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious.
SHAKIR: And dutiful to his parents, and he was not insolent, disobedient.

019.015
YUSUFALI: So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!
PICKTHAL: Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on him on the day he was born, and on the day he dies, and on the day he is raised to life
rezasantorini

Skokie, IL

#4 Apr 7, 2009
I don't care what religion you are, as long as you let everyone choose their own and you respect it. So far I've never read anything by a Muslim that wasn't full of hate toward Jews and a desire to get the Americans to stop supporting Israel. That of course would make it easy to kill them off.
Buford Hayse

Ithaca, NY

#5 Apr 7, 2009
AthiestOz wrote:
I remember seeing these 2 threads regarding the ressurection of Jesus ... but then I decided to do some research for myself ... because all this Muslim kept referring to was things from the bible ... but seem to leave a very important detail out .... and because Easter is nearly upon us.
Bible's jesus's ressurection myth exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TFD...
Jesus's RESURRECTION myth of BIBLE Exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T36...
With the research I found information contained in the Quran ... regarding Jesus ... and his resurrection ...
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engag...
Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 19:
MARYAM (MARY)
019.033
YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
PICKTHAL: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.
and then this:
WHAT DOES THE QURAN SAY ON THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS?
In Surah 19, Maryam, verse 33, Jesus said shortly after his birth:
"So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"
A. Jusuf Ali wrote in the footnote number 2485 of his translation of the Holy Quran (1975): "...those who believe that he (Jesus) never died should ponder over this verse."
However, such revealing remarks made by this highly respected Muslim scholar were quickly expunged and replaced with the explanatory words "Jesus was not crucified (4:157)" by the editorial board of the new edition of "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an!" (Amana Publications, Beltsville, U.S.A., 1989)
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/easter.htm
Isnt that very very interesting ...
The Islamic spin is that Jesus, who wasn't crucified but was spirited away to Paradise, will return in our future to serve as a cheerleader to al-Mahdi. He will marry, have a family, and eventually die. In due course he will be resurrected with everyone else.

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Since: Nov 08

Jellystone National Park.

#6 Apr 7, 2009
Sarah wrote:
that was said about the prophet Yahya as well and besides that all humans in Islam will be resurrected for Judgment
019.012
YUSUFALI:(To his son came the command): "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,
PICKTHAL:(And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold fast the Scripture. And we gave him wisdom when a child,
SHAKIR: O Yahya! take hold of the Book with strength, and We granted him wisdom while yet a child
019.013
YUSUFALI: And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,
PICKTHAL: And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout,
SHAKIR: And tenderness from Us and purity, and he was one who guarded (against evil),
019.014
YUSUFALI: And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
PICKTHAL: And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious.
SHAKIR: And dutiful to his parents, and he was not insolent, disobedient.
019.015
YUSUFALI: So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!
PICKTHAL: Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on him on the day he was born, and on the day he dies, and on the day he is raised to life
In the Quran Yahya is john the baptist .. um was he the son of Mary???? No they were cousins. And it is talking about Jesus ..... and his resurrection .... telling John to hold fast of all the scriptures after Jesus has passed on...

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Since: Nov 08

Jellystone National Park.

#7 Apr 7, 2009
Buford Hayse wrote:
<quoted text>The Islamic spin is that Jesus, who wasn't crucified but was spirited away to Paradise, will return in our future to serve as a cheerleader to al-Mahdi. He will marry, have a family, and eventually die. In due course he will be resurrected with everyone else.
But what gets me is ... does it say in the Quran that he wasnt killed in any way shape or form ... considering the Quran is suppose to be the final wording from God ... and with that bit of really big info ... you think it would have been added to it .. instead it doesnt bother to make any statement regarding it ....(and you reckon it would considering it was a big thing to happen in history .. or did 'Allah' forget to tell Gabriel to mention it .. and to put it into the book???)
Jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#8 Apr 9, 2009
FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONVINCED THAT THE CRUCIFIXION DESCRIPTIONS IN THE BIBLE WERE ALL MADE-UP BY CHRISTIANS:

Why would anyone trying to promote a belief in Jesus of Nazareth as God's Messiah, not write that the Hero was saved from torture and death?

Why would a Christian want to prove that Jesus doubted when he said: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME"?

If the Bible was tampered with and the Gospels were corrupted, why didn't they make sure every verse said exactly the same thing?

If the Quran is God's final word and confession that Jesus was really saved, why didn't He say why He let everyone be deceived?

“I love my total freedom..do u?”

Since: Nov 08

Jellystone National Park.

#9 Apr 9, 2009
Jesus is wrote:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONVINCED THAT THE CRUCIFIXION DESCRIPTIONS IN THE BIBLE WERE ALL MADE-UP BY CHRISTIANS:
Why would anyone trying to promote a belief in Jesus of Nazareth as God's Messiah, not write that the Hero was saved from torture and death?
Why would a Christian want to prove that Jesus doubted when he said: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME"?
If the Bible was tampered with and the Gospels were corrupted, why didn't they make sure every verse said exactly the same thing?
If the Quran is God's final word and confession that Jesus was really saved, why didn't He say why He let everyone be deceived?
Cause didnt you realise .. that on that day .. Allah was having a bad hair day and forgot to Gab to tell Muhammad that ....!!!1
debunker

United States

#10 Apr 10, 2009
AthiestOz wrote:
<quoted text>
But what gets me is ... does it say in the Quran that he wasnt killed in any way shape or form ... considering the Quran is suppose to be the final wording from God ... and with that bit of really big info ... you think it would have been added to it .. instead it doesnt bother to make any statement regarding it ....(and you reckon it would considering it was a big thing to happen in history .. or did 'Allah' forget to tell Gabriel to mention it .. and to put it into the book???)
the reason it says that is b ecause mohammed had knowlege of the gnostic gospel of peter and worked it into the quran
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#11 Apr 11, 2009
AthiestOz wrote:
I remember seeing these 2 threads regarding the ressurection of Jesus ... but then I decided to do some research for myself ... because all this Muslim kept referring to was things from the bible ... but seem to leave a very important detail out .... and because Easter is nearly upon us.
Bible's jesus's ressurection myth exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TFD...
Jesus's RESURRECTION myth of BIBLE Exposed
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T36...
With the research I found information contained in the Quran ... regarding Jesus ... and his resurrection ...
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engag...
Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 19:
MARYAM (MARY)
019.033
YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
PICKTHAL: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
SHAKIR: And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.
and then this:
WHAT DOES THE QURAN SAY ON THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS?
In Surah 19, Maryam, verse 33, Jesus said shortly after his birth:
"So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"
A. Jusuf Ali wrote in the footnote number 2485 of his translation of the Holy Quran (1975): "...those who believe that he (Jesus) never died should ponder over this verse."
However, such revealing remarks made by this highly respected Muslim scholar were quickly expunged and replaced with the explanatory words "Jesus was not crucified (4:157)" by the editorial board of the new edition of "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an!" (Amana Publications, Beltsville, U.S.A., 1989)
http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/easter.htm
Isnt that very very interesting ...
U pagan christian in the veil of atheist ... spends a lot of time by copy pasting and typing.... by bringing a old refuted topix which even do not used by any pagan christian debater in any dialogue.

whatever the fact is that i dnt have that much time to write the whole issue. Instead i am giving a link where an Islam Scholar Ibn Anwar refuter this so called claim on the face of an Israeli christian evangelicals. Here the mail dialogue copy is also posted which that pgan Israeli evangelicals tried to bring.

The link is as below. Here Ibn Anwar dedicated the whole link to unveil pagan christianity.

Please go there n see how pagan christianity has been unveiled.

http://unveiling-christianity.com/2008/01/20/...

N for the jesus resurrection Myth those articles were really nice n exposed the jesus's resurrection myth. There ABCD did not continue the debate but i will in the upcoming days. Those 2 thread is really a jam to expose pagan Christianity n uproot its myth altogether.

enjoy http://unveiling-christianity.com :).
Fred

Elkton, VA

#12 Apr 11, 2009
Keep in mind that Jesus Christ has died for us all and is risen from the dead on the third day. He is our saving Lord, He is Joy for all ages...

If you die with Him, you will Live with Him.

By dying on the cross, He took all our sins and cast them behind his back, gaining the forgiveness of God for all of us, and redeeming us from the just punishment that we deserved.. those who will listen to Him, and follow all His commands will be saved....

The Love of Jesus is the love of the friend who dies for His friends..Our sinful nature calls on the justice of God for punishment, but only Jesus Christ has gained us our pardon, our redemption...... Mohammed cannot save you, only Jesus Christ, the Son of God saves..
Jamal

Liverpool, UK

#13 Apr 11, 2009
Jesus is eisa in islam and in the quran it talks about him coming back before judegment day when dajal comes just like in the bible.

But we see jesus peace be upon him eisa as a prophet and mohamed as the last prophet.
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#14 Apr 11, 2009
Fred wrote:
***When did Jesus ascend into heaven?

1.On the day of his resurrection. Luke 24:1-51 & Mark 16:9-19
2.At least eight days after his resurrection. John 20:26
3. Many days after his resurrection. Acts 13:31
4. Forty days after his resurrection. Acts 1:2-3, 9
6. Not mentioned by Paul ( at least 6 months after resurrection ) 1 Corinthians 15 5-8.

If any 1 look all these stuff together they will find it out that none of this account matches with 1 another. They differ to a wide extant.

Now the question is y??

If we like 2 find it out then we need to look from paul's letter as he was the 1st myth maker regarding this resurrection myth.

But lets start with gospel of mark.

Gospel of mark is later corrupted version say that jesus ascended to heaven in the day of his resurrection.

This is clearly contradictory to rest of gospel and book of acts myth.

But interesting part is that in reality gospel of mark dnt have any resurrection story at all. It was a clear forgery . In the real version there is no mark 16:9-18 part. This myth making part is added later.

Gospel of Luke 24:1-51 in its myth said that jesus ascended to the heaven on the day of his resurrection.

Now if we look at Matthew then we find it out that this gospel made a radical new myth. This gospel took jesus to gallile instead of Jerusalem.

This clearly demonstrating the fact to what extant ppl has no idea about jesus's resurrection and ascending myth.

Now the question is y the stories are different in Mathew and Luke?

We all know that gospel of Mathew and Luke is copy paste version of gospel of mark and q gospel.

When this two gospel is written they did not have any resurrection story as gospel of mark has none and most likely q gospel had also none.

So to make their own myth they made their own version of myth n as both of then did not have their copy available there is this difference of story and Mathew made that big myth by taking jesus to gallie.

In gospel of john we find couple of more myth. It made a myth regarding thomas, appeared to jesus later. But if we look goepael of luke or Matthew then we find a narrative that states jesus meet with its disciple al together. Not part by part.

This is clearly understandable that as gospel of john is written in the early 2nd century there was a need of making more myth regarding jesus's ascending to heaven story to make it more reliable to the audience.

Thats the reason y whole john's 21st chapter is added later to make the myth more attractive as real gospel of john was ended in the 20th chapter.

CONTINUE..........
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#15 Apr 11, 2009
Continue from msg no. 13
Fred wrote:
According to paul jesus was floating here n there n he was meeting with many ppl and meet even 500 ppl at a time according to him and later appeared b4 him. But it is interesting there is no description of his conversion myth as appeared in the book of acts.

If that stuff really would have happened paul would have surely responded to that .

Book of acts is nothing but a propaganda and myth making manifesto . It is written in the 2nd century at a time when there was desperate attempt by the early pagan christian writers to make jesus's resurrection story more interesting snd to show that paul really was a disciple of jesus and converted by him as jerusalem church clearly rejected myth maker paul as they from the beginning was aware of his myth.

Another interesting point to be notes n that is paul wrote jesus meet even 500 ppl at a time but none of the gospel even mentioned any thing like that. It raise a question if anything big like that really happened y gospel writers were not aware of it? Answer is simple. All those stuff really did not happened.

If all the book is really inspired by holy spirit y such a big difference?

If u say all those were account of different writers than how can u say that word of god n blah blah blah... as we knw 4 sure if that can be account of different ppl those who are not eye witness than the books can contain many error, contradiction as there are many .. in the mean time the whole book can be full of myth?

If jesus really was meeting so many ppl(through there is no historical evidence of that) n even met with 500 ppl at once than y jesus did not appeared b4 the jews n roman leader what he promised will do?

Dnt u think after resurrection a god supposed to meet or appeared in front of the ppl 4 whom he came 2 earth?

But nothing happened like that.

Last of all can u belief such a story which has no reliability in modern time and in the bible bible itself as none of the account matches with 1 other?

N lastly if u agree that all those are accounts of different ppl n thats y there could be difference ,then how can u say it word of god n inspired by holy spirit .If it would be really inspired by holy spirit y there is so much contradiction???? N if it written by different ppl who were non eye witness then how u deny the fact that there could be no error, contradiction n myth by those writer,when there is clear cut contradiction in the biblical story description ,especially of the resurrection which is the crown jewel of Christianity.
george whyte

London, UK

#16 Apr 11, 2009
these are all i have ,if its any help.

The family of Imran chapter (Surat Al-Imran) 54, 55 “And they (the Jews) plotted, and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the Best of the plotters. Allah said: "O 'Iesa! I will amortize you and raise you to myself and clear you of those who disbelieve

The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah') 117:”when you amortize me, you were the watcher over them

Mary chapter (Surat Maryam) 33:“And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"

Wahab said, "He was dead three hours and then was raised." Muhammad Ibn Ishaq said, "He was dead seven hours, then god raised Him to life and took Him to heaven, Al-Rabia Ibn Uns said that God caused Him to die when He raised Him to heaven. God says, "The Lord 'gathers' souls at death, and they do not die in their sleep

Surah Al-i `Imran (3:144)- And Muhammad is but a messenger. Verily all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he dies or is slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm ALLAH at all. And ALLAH will certainly reward the grateful.
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#18 Apr 11, 2009
george whyte wrote:
***When did Jesus ascend into heaven?

1.On the day of his resurrection. Luke 24:1-51 & Mark 16:9-19
2.At least eight days after his resurrection. John 20:26
3. Many days after his resurrection. Acts 13:31
4. Forty days after his resurrection. Acts 1:2-3, 9
6. Not mentioned by Paul ( at least 6 months after resurrection ) 1 Corinthians 15 5-8.

If any 1 look all these stuff together they will find it out that none of this account matches with 1 another. They differ to a wide extant.

Now the question is y??

If we like 2 find it out then we need to look from paul's letter as he was the 1st myth maker regarding this resurrection myth.

But lets start with gospel of mark.

Gospel of mark is later corrupted version say that jesus ascended to heaven in the day of his resurrection.

This is clearly contradictory to rest of gospel and book of acts myth.

But interesting part is that in reality gospel of mark dnt have any resurrection story at all. It was a clear forgery . In the real version there is no mark 16:9-18 part. This myth making part is added later.

Gospel of Luke 24:1-51 in its myth said that jesus ascended to the heaven on the day of his resurrection.

Now if we look at Matthew then we find it out that this gospel made a radical new myth. This gospel took jesus to gallile instead of Jerusalem.

This clearly demonstrating the fact to what extant ppl has no idea about jesus's resurrection and ascending myth.

Now the question is y the stories are different in Mathew and Luke?

We all know that gospel of Mathew and Luke is copy paste version of gospel of mark and q gospel.

When this two gospel is written they did not have any resurrection story as gospel of mark has none and most likely q gospel had also none.

So to make their own myth they made their own version of myth n as both of then did not have their copy available there is this difference of story and Mathew made that big myth by taking jesus to gallie.

In gospel of john we find couple of more myth. It made a myth regarding thomas, appeared to jesus later. But if we look goepael of luke or Matthew then we find a narrative that states jesus meet with its disciple al together. Not part by part.

This is clearly understandable that as gospel of john is written in the early 2nd century there was a need of making more myth regarding jesus's ascending to heaven story to make it more reliable to the audience.

Thats the reason y whole john's 21st chapter is added later to make the myth more attractive as real gospel of john was ended in the 20th chapter.

CONTINUE..........
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#19 Apr 11, 2009
Continue from message number 18
george whyte wrote:
According to paul jesus was floating here n there n he was meeting with many ppl and meet even 500 ppl at a time according to him and later appeared b4 him. But it is interesting there is no description of his conversion myth as appeared in the book of acts.

If that stuff really would have happened paul would have surely responded to that .

Book of acts is nothing but a propaganda and myth making manifesto . It is written in the 2nd century at a time when there was desperate attempt by the early pagan christian writers to make jesus's resurrection story more interesting snd to show that paul really was a disciple of jesus and converted by him as jerusalem church clearly rejected myth maker paul as they from the beginning was aware of his myth.

Another interesting point to be notes n that is paul wrote jesus meet even 500 ppl at a time but none of the gospel even mentioned any thing like that. It raise a question if anything big like that really happened y gospel writers were not aware of it? Answer is simple. All those stuff really did not happened.

If all the book is really inspired by holy spirit y such a big difference?

If u say all those were account of different writers than how can u say that word of god n blah blah blah... as we knw 4 sure if that can be account of different ppl those who are not eye witness than the books can contain many error, contradiction as there are many .. in the mean time the whole book can be full of myth?

If jesus really was meeting so many ppl(through there is no historical evidence of that) n even met with 500 ppl at once than y jesus did not appeared b4 the jews n roman leader what he promised will do?

Dnt u think after resurrection a god supposed to meet or appeared in front of the ppl 4 whom he came 2 earth?

But nothing happened like that.

Last of all can u belief such a story which has no reliability in modern time and in the bible bible itself as none of the account matches with 1 other?

N lastly if u agree that all those are accounts of different ppl n thats y there could be difference ,then how can u say it word of god n inspired by holy spirit .If it would be really inspired by holy spirit y there is so much contradiction???? N if it written by different ppl who were non eye witness then how u deny the fact that there could be no error, contradiction n myth by those writer,when there is clear cut contradiction in the biblical story description ,especially of the resurrection which is the crown jewel of Christianity.
george whyte

London, UK

#20 Apr 11, 2009
Salman, so your jesus is alive in heaven is he eating and drinking and defecating up there.
Salman

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#21 Apr 11, 2009
george whyte wrote:
Salman, so your jesus is alive in heaven is he eating and drinking and defecating up there.
same is also to your christian pagan jesus... who is alive up in the heaven after rising from dead... also a god waiting 4 second coming n rule the world 4 1000 years, also seats at the right hand of god :P , despite he is a god n blah, blah, blah... ohhh lastly he lied to the chief priest and lied to the crowd that they will see his 2nd coming ... but may be he forgot what he said. As 100s of generation has been passed away but none has seen his 2nd coming. Dnt u think that this forgetting and lying is too much 4 a god :P.

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