Muslim views on apostasy - Shocking

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Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#1 Mar 3, 2013
So I decided to perform a little experiment today, the little scientist in me budding through. I visted Ummah.com , one of the largest Muslim forums on the internet. I thought, maybe it was time to reach out to a large sample of Muslims, and get their opinions on certain topics. I joined and posted a discussion asking about what they feel should happen to those who leave or criticize Islam... and let's say I'm pretty disgusted and horrified on what they said.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php...

Let me quote:
"According to sharia, they are to be tried by the leader and he deals with them in such a manner (execution according to the law of Allah)... I do believe they should be dealt with the way Allah and our Prophet told us to deal with them."

"I dont know what you trying to get from us, the rules on apostasy are crystal clear no matter how many "educated" westerns disagree with it Muslims will never changed or alter the divine teaching of Prophet Mohammad to please the kaffirs"

"Blasphemers are to be killed. Apostates are a controversial case. Some scholars advocate death after imprisonment for three days, others say they can only be killed if they cause fitna amongst Muslims."

"Thus, when people claim to be of it, then leave it, and then spread mischief callers others away from it, death is better to them then continued life.

It's a mercy, for If they continued, their place in hell would be lower, and lower, and lower.

We judge law by the belief of an afterlife 100% without a shadow of a doubt.

Thus, death is not a "bad" thing If it is done to pervent chaos."

My goodness... this idiot thinks it's a "mercy" to kill apostates. You can read more if you want, it just makes me so furious to see how backwards, violent, and brutal these people are.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#2 Mar 3, 2013
So Muslims living in the west really couldn't give a monkey's. The scary thing is, most of those posters live in the west.

Thanks for the eye opener Ex.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#3 Mar 3, 2013
All of the noisiest, most belligerent anti-Western muslim posters are living in the US, Canada, Australia or the UK.....Hmmm. Kind of makes you wonder about their credibility. Makes them seem a bit cowardly and hypocritical......But that is all part of the whole muslim thing.

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#4 Mar 3, 2013
It would be awesome if we could get some guys here to head on over and troll them.

Feel like we should distrub their little dream of Islam being a pure and perfect religion.
harrington mugglesworth

UK

#5 Mar 3, 2013
welcome to the real world, Ex muslim. take good care now.
gary

London, UK

#6 Mar 3, 2013
Is there one school of Islamic jurispudence that does not punish apostates? I do not know of one.
If not it proves there is no freedom in all of Islam.

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#7 Mar 3, 2013
gary wrote:
Is there one school of Islamic jurispudence that does not punish apostates? I do not know of one.
If not it proves there is no freedom in all of Islam.
Apparently all of them. One lady tried to defend that people should have a right to believe in what they want without fear of death, but she was quickly silenced bby the others who condemned her because she was inventing new ideas that "contradicted the divine laws of the prophet, the quran, the shariah, and the fiqh".

It's just disturbing to see how widespread this brutal mindset is amongst Muslims. They were lamenting the fact that more and more were turning away from Islam, and all I had to say was, "Good!".

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#8 Mar 3, 2013
Here’s a good one:
"basic human rights and freedom of religion belongs in the toilet."

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#9 Mar 3, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
It would be awesome if we could get some guys here to head on over and troll them.
Feel like we should distrub their little dream of Islam being a pure and perfect religion.
The majority of the Muslims who posted here while this particular topic was being discussed also agreed with death for apostates.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#10 Mar 3, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
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Apparently all of them. One lady tried to defend that people should have a right to believe in what they want without fear of death, but she was quickly silenced bby the others who condemned her because she was inventing new ideas that "contradicted the divine laws of the prophet, the quran, the shariah, and the fiqh".
It's just disturbing to see how widespread this brutal mindset is amongst Muslims. They were lamenting the fact that more and more were turning away from Islam, and all I had to say was, "Good!".
The entire concept of death for apostates of Islam contradicts Muslim claims that 'there is no compulsion in islam'.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#11 Mar 4, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
It would be awesome if we could get some guys here to head on over and troll them.
Feel like we should distrub their little dream of Islam being a pure and perfect religion.
Would love to, but I suspect the moderators would soon clamp down on us.
gary

London, UK

#12 Mar 4, 2013
Ex Muslim wrote:
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Apparently all of them. One lady tried to defend that people should have a right to believe in what they want without fear of death, but she was quickly silenced bby the others who condemned her because she was inventing new ideas that "contradicted the divine laws of the prophet, the quran, the shariah, and the fiqh".
It's just disturbing to see how widespread this brutal mindset is amongst Muslims. They were lamenting the fact that more and more were turning away from Islam, and all I had to say was, "Good!".
I thought as much. How can a religion progress when its ideology is the word of god. The word of god is immovable unless you have a fickle god who changes his mind from day to day.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#13 Mar 4, 2013
Why is it those who live in the US, Canada, Europe, who are not Muslims, are so ignorant of what Islam really teaches. So many would read that thread and think 'oh those are only a few Muslims who do not understand it'.....

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#14 Mar 4, 2013
Islamic group Hizb ut Tahrir. They exist and operate in many western countries including the US and Canada.

In 2009, their conference here promoted literature on their website calling for the death of anyone who leaves islam.

"The Hizb ut-Tahrir web site promoting the July 31 event in Canada also promotes a pamphlet (page 62) that supports killing those individuals who leave Islam as guilty of “treason and a political attack on the Khilafah.”

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#15 Mar 4, 2013
Trisha wrote:
Why is it those who live in the US, Canada, Europe, who are not Muslims, are so ignorant of what Islam really teaches. So many would read that thread and think 'oh those are only a few Muslims who do not understand it'.....
Because their minds are brainwashed with thinking that criticizing anything islamic goes against multiculturalism and inclusiveness, or they're just plain dumb and ignorant of what islam really means and intends.

So many people think, "oh not all muslims are like that" or "I know many good muslims and you're being unfair " etc...but that does not give islam a pass since it breeds countless of nutty anti-west and deadly ideologies and groups.

(I know you know this, I just got to rant eh...lol)

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#16 Mar 4, 2013
Naturally Wired wrote:
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Because their minds are brainwashed with thinking that criticizing anything islamic goes against multiculturalism and inclusiveness, or they're just plain dumb and ignorant of what islam really means and intends.
So many people think, "oh not all muslims are like that" or "I know many good muslims and you're being unfair " etc...but that does not give islam a pass since it breeds countless of nutty anti-west and deadly ideologies and groups.
(I know you know this, I just got to rant eh...lol)
I appreciate your rant.

:)

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#17 Mar 5, 2013
Trisha wrote:
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The entire concept of death for apostates of Islam contradicts Muslim claims that 'there is no compulsion in islam'.
I agree completely!

The Muslims response is always:
"Our Holy Islam is beyond your petty laws and morals. We are the truth. No one should be allowed to leave the truth."

It's quite bewildering how that passes as a valid argument for them.

Since: Feb 13

Terrace, Canada

#18 Mar 5, 2013
Trisha wrote:
Why is it those who live in the US, Canada, Europe, who are not Muslims, are so ignorant of what Islam really teaches. So many would read that thread and think 'oh those are only a few Muslims who do not understand it'.....
As a person who still has many "moderate" (I prefer the term "ignorant about Islam") friends, I can fully relate.

I often subtly sneak in some of the outrageous laws and practices about Islam in conversations with them. First they try to protest "I don't believe that!, "That's not TRUE Islam bro". Then I just show them the words of the Qur'an, Hadith, or respected sheikhs who said them and they go quiet. Then they just try to ignore it.

As Nietzshe once said,“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”
george whyte

Market Rasen, UK

#19 Mar 5, 2013
Muslim-American Group Affirms Death Penalty for Leaving Islam

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2013/0...

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