proof muhammed saw a demon not an angel

proof muhammed saw a demon not an angel

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Native

Greens Fork, IN

#1 Oct 3, 2009
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied,'I do not know how to read.'

Of ALL the angels in the Bible NOT ONE OF THEM ever laid a hand on a person. THIS PROVES muhammed could NOT have seen Gabriel because angels do NOT hurt people and force people to read because he should have known muhammed was ILLITERATE and this angel DID NOT know this.
Native

Greens Fork, IN

#2 Oct 3, 2009
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied,'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied,'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot.

NOW does this sound like a ANGEL from the Bible?
this was NOT an angel it was a DEMON from hell
STUPID MUSLIMS we are NOT made from a clot. A clot cannot form anything its a CLOT. We are made from the dust of the ground NOT a clot.

“Terrorism has no religion!”

Since: Jul 09

Saint Catharines, Canada

#3 Oct 3, 2009
More insults I see.
Dharma

Mississauga, Canada

#4 Oct 3, 2009
MsDefendIslam wrote:
More insults I see.
What do you mean 'insults'? don't you have any thing to argue against? If you think Mohamed faced the real angel of god,then give your proof to that. Just brushing aside with words like"insult' or 'lies' or attacking with vile language-all are weapons ,Muslims often use.
Iskandri

Mississauga, Canada

#5 Oct 3, 2009
Muhammad saw those Jinns and demons quiet often as is clear from the following hadithes:

Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1106

Abu Darda' reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up (to pray) and we heard him say:" I seek refuge in Allah from thee." Then said:" curse thee with Allah's curse" three times, then he stretched out his hand as though he was taking hold of something. When he finished the prayer, we said: Messenger of Allah, we heard you say something during the prayer which we have not heard you say before, and we saw you stretch out your hand. He replied: Allah's enemy Iblis came with a flame of fire to put it in my face, so I said three times:" I Seek refuge in Allah from thee." Then I said three times:" I curse thee with Allah's full curse." But he did not retreat (on any one of these) three occasions. Thereafter I meant to seize him. I swear by Allah that had it not been for the supplication of my brother Sulaiman he would have been bound, and made an object of sport for the children of Medina.

“Terrorism has no religion!”

Since: Jul 09

Saint Catharines, Canada

#6 Oct 3, 2009
Dharma wrote:
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What do you mean 'insults'? don't you have any thing to argue against? If you think Mohamed faced the real angel of god,then give your proof to that. Just brushing aside with words like"insult' or 'lies' or attacking with vile language-all are weapons ,Muslims often use.
Have I used vile language? I'm not going to start an argument with someone who insults me even before I've posted something.

"STUPID MUSLIMS we are NOT made from a clot."

Stupid Muslims is in fact an insult.
Rafat Amari

Mississauga, Canada

#7 Oct 3, 2009
Mohammed and the Angel Gabriel

Mohammed said that the angel Gabriel appeared to him. Is this true?

We read that this angel Gabriel appeared to him, squeezed, scared him and sent him home frightened.(The whole story written in Bukhari" volume 9, book 87, Hadith number 111).

In the Bible we have a totally different picture of the angel Gabriel who appeared to many people before Mohammed. Let us look at some examples:

Gabriel appeared to Mary, the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:26-33),

“The angel Gabriel was sent from God to a virgin name Mary and said,‘Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!’ But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and the angel said to her,‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.’”

The Son of the Most High God became the Son of Man (Son of Mary) in order to give his life at the cross for the sinful world that,“All who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God.”(John 1:12)

Paul the apostle wrote these words years after Jesus had finished the work of salvation and said,“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed”(Galatians 1:8).

So what kind of a message did this strange spirit who called himself Gabriel deliver to Mohammed? He said,“The Christians call Christ the son of Allah… Allah's curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the Truth!”(Sure 9:30).

When Gabriel appeared to Mary as we read before, he told her that Jesus “will be called the Son of the Most High.”(Luke 1:35) Now that same angel reveals himself to our new prophet and tells him that “Allah's curse be on them, those who call Christ the son of Allah.” It seems that either the angel Gabriel was getting old in age and now was cursing himself, or simply that the angel Gabriel did not make this visitation.

Was this then the angel Gabriel, or another spirit?

The Bible tells us about some fallen angels who lost their positions in heaven because an act of rebellion against God.and joined hands with satan. Probably one such fallen angel might have cheated Mohamed as angel Gabriel


Yaacob Ibrahim

Tampa, FL

#8 Oct 3, 2009
Yeah sure. That filthy bastard had his innards cleansed by ZAM ZAM water and lived to tell more tall tales for his Quran.
mouss

Montargis, France

#12 Nov 6, 2009
MsDefendIslam wrote:
More insults I see.
tu es EGARE
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#13 Nov 6, 2009
Who are you foolin! yourself? ANGELS HAVE HURT PEOPLE!! ever heard of the ANGEL OF DEATH?!!!(researchresearchrese arch).
christuntiltheen d

Leduc, Canada

#14 Nov 20, 2009
okay first of all angels do not hurt people, they do god's will do you really think that god wants his own children to suffer? and if that had been a angel it was a fallen angel and not gabriel. in my opinion mohammed did NOT see angel gabriel he saw a demon. and think about it muslims how could you create someone from a clot? that doesn't even make any sense we were created from dust as the bible says. and jesus is the son of god as it was predicted long before his date of birth.
satan used mohammed to get people against jesus, dont listen to that
DARWINS-SON

AOL

#15 Nov 20, 2009
christuntiltheend wrote:
okay first of all angels do not hurt people, they do god's will do you really think that god wants his own children to suffer? and if that had been a angel it was a fallen angel and not gabriel. in my opinion mohammed did NOT see angel gabriel he saw a demon. and think about it muslims how could you create someone from a clot? that doesn't even make any sense we were created from dust as the bible says. and jesus is the son of god as it was predicted long before his date of birth.
satan used mohammed to get people against jesus, dont listen to that
oh you have so much proof dont you?what the hell evidence do you have that we are from dust?you spoke as if you have video evidence or something better.your explanation is as crappy as any explanation.
truth

United States

#16 Nov 20, 2009
christuntiltheend wrote:
okay first of all angels do not hurt people, they do god's will do you really think that god wants his own children to suffer? and if that had been a angel it was a fallen angel and not gabriel. in my opinion mohammed did NOT see angel gabriel he saw a demon. and think about it muslims how could you create someone from a clot? that doesn't even make any sense we were created from dust as the bible says. and jesus is the son of god as it was predicted long before his date of birth.
satan used mohammed to get people against jesus, dont listen to that
hahaha and we are to believe the self proclaimed apostle paul had a vision from Jesus(pbuh)?lol.just an excuse to profit from his own creation which is christianity.since when were we God's children?and yes we do suffer,this is a life and reality not a fantasy.think about it christians,how does God eat,walk and die?what is Jesus' date of birth?
Sam

Seoul, Korea

#17 Nov 20, 2009
truth wrote:
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hahaha and we are to believe the self proclaimed apostle paul had a vision from Jesus(pbuh)?lol.just an excuse to profit from his own creation which is christianity.since when were we God's children?and yes we do suffer,this is a life and reality not a fantasy.think about it christians,how does God eat,walk and die?what is Jesus' date of birth?
Paul did not collect any 20 percent booty, land deeds, titles, and numerous women Allah promised muhammad so how do you figure that he profit from preaching the word of God? This apostle, like many others got themselves killed for christianity, including Jesus.
truth

United States

#18 Nov 20, 2009
Sam wrote:
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Paul did not collect any 20 percent booty, land deeds, titles, and numerous women Allah promised muhammad so how do you figure that he profit from preaching the word of God? This apostle, like many others got themselves killed for christianity, including Jesus.
he got himself killed for nothing,what was he going to do?tell them he lied?as if thats what wouldve stoped them from chopping his head.Jesus was never there for christianity,it was created by paul.the real apostles didnt approve of this self proclaimed apostle,man never even met Jesus and yet he is an apostle?
DARWINS-SON

AOL

#19 Nov 20, 2009
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul did not collect any 20 percent booty, land deeds, titles, and numerous women Allah promised muhammad so how do you figure that he profit from preaching the word of God? This apostle, like many others got themselves killed for christianity, including Jesus.
paul couldnt collect booty,land deeds or women because his followers were never that significant.how about your prophet Moses?did he do most of the above?and yet you accept him and accept that it was promised to him?lol.
joe

Miami, FL

#20 Mar 30, 2010
MsDefendIslam wrote:
More insults I see.
Is that not what the "prophet" wrote? Didnt Muhammed himself think he saw a demon at first?
Joe

Kuching, Malaysia

#21 Mar 30, 2010
Native wrote:
Of ALL the angels in the Bible NOT ONE OF THEM ever laid a hand on a person.
Really?

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out.(Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Joe

Kuching, Malaysia

#22 Mar 30, 2010
Is that true?

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead.(2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

Since: Sep 09

Hollywood, FL

#23 Mar 30, 2010
Native wrote:
The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied,'I do not know how to read.'
Of ALL the angels in the Bible NOT ONE OF THEM ever laid a hand on a person. THIS PROVES muhammed could NOT have seen Gabriel because angels do NOT hurt people and force people to read because he should have known muhammed was ILLITERATE and this angel DID NOT know this.
Not true...in the old testament of the bible Jacob fought with an angel...Genesis 32:22-32
..... The person who wrestled with an angel was Jacob, son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham.

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