Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West

Sep 9, 2010 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.worthynews.com

The Middle East Media Research Institute has released excerpts from a transcript of a televised sermon by Egyptian cleric Salem Abu Al-Futuh. Airing on Al-Nas TV on August 18, Al-Futuh's predicted that Islam would conquer the entire West, starting with Italy and ending with the Americas ...

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Sermon Muslims never get to hear about Jesus Christ.
Repent your sins to Jesus Christ.
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from your link:
Quran:“When Allah was revealing to the angels,“I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so cut above the necks, and cut every finger of them!”– Quran 8:12.”
I challenge every muslim to refute and belie the above Quranic quote
When the message came to Mohammad he preached to his family and tribe, few agreed and the rest of Makkans denied and tortured his followers and abused him no end and decided to kill him so he ran to Madina where the people there welcomed him and his few people. They barred trading with muslims and marrying them and made their life hell and drove them to hunger for makkan had a clout with all tribes. In the first war Makkans sent 1000 well equiped fighters to finish the muslims who numbered about 300 hundred and had only 2 horses.Muslims were not out to fight but were forced to battle and they were scared because the numbers do not match. So God sent that verse tht he will support his faithful and HE did and muuslims won a battle that neither they prepared for nor wanted. All the wars were to defend muslims and protect the faithful. Is that different from Moses taking the mighty pharoes to task with God help or Joshwa entering Palestine and killing all inhabitants or Solomon conquering Yemen by threats and the help of JINN and God or David battles to protect the faith? When Islam was secure in Islam land God then said " fo not fight those who do not fight you or drive you ut of your homes" and then says- No compulsion is faith for the true path is clear and the wrong path is clear. So muslims are not clled to fight to spread the faith but as in any other law God or man made they can fightto defend themselves and God will help if they are defending themselves. God says do not transgress.
You can not pick and choose the verses without the context or to support a skewed point of view.
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please do not conveniently fail to explain , refute , belie this:
Quran:“When Allah was revealing to the angels,“I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so cut above the necks, and cut every finger of them!”– Quran 8:12.”
will you ?
you also conveniently failed to explain why Allah said one wife but muhammed changed it to.. 4 for others and as many as he liked for himself.:))
Part of the answer is given , see earlier post.
God permitted muslims to marry 4 provided they met conditions as to be absolutely just in all respects, that may disqualify many and God says if you can meet the conditions then only one is permitted.
Mohammad married more than 4 because God permitted him and many of them actually had no sexual angle to them for they were old for that. Some were to foster tribal relations as well and some were gifts by kings and it was considered not done to refuse. But having said that Mohammad is a mighty prophet and choosen by God and God can bestow upon him anything. Mohammad was distinquished among all other messengers by the boon to enact rules in the ame of God.
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like it or not.. you're getting aggressive.. however, you said it and for all I know you are not part of the american nation are you. You are Canadian no?
so .. why did you say it?
besides.. muslim is not an ethnicity. let's say...it's a philosophical approach to God.. now would you like all philosophical proponents of any philosophical theory calling for imposing their theories in the WH? or Akropolis?
how about christian praying in Mecca? and making a public call for it?
you seem to be avoiding answering my point.
are you american? why then talk about muslims praying in the WH?
I have been to the Akropolis and the thought did not occur to me. Thanks for the reminder. At least praying in te Akropolis may put to rest all those slave souls murdered there to please and entertain the blood thirsty populace of the time.
ProVeritas you know means truth, I call a spade a spade. When I concede a point to your liking I am accused of Taqqiya when I refute a point or mention a point you guys do not like I am agressive, make up your mind, which way it is? lololo
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Nowhere God says He dislikes women. They are held in high regard and when Mohammad was asked to whom ones love and loyality be he said to your mother three times then he said to your father.
You read too much into hates sites and hate propagada. Islam does not blame the raped or the victim of any crime. If one illiterate crazy imam says that he does not speak for islam. It is the rapist who is punished, period. Faith for example is christian, she calls for annihilation of all muslims , is that christian dogma? Or JAN hating ll muslims and Islam and judging them , is judging Christian dogma? The Quran states that the truth is clear and the wrong path is clear and one may choose. No compulsion in Faith. Muslims arenot out to conquer by force or threats but will invite and advice, if one accepts fine if not also fine, you do not answer to muslims you answer to God who will judge us all.
Why you do not take issue with many posters calling for droning and atom bombing and killing all muslims on this thread and find praying to God in the WH outrageous. This is extreme double standards.
No I dont have double standards at all. I cant possibly argue with every hostile comment here against islam especialy against muslim people I got tired. I have made very clear , I think , where I stand.

I ve also expressed my repugnance to every barbaric attitude be it christian or muslim , sexist and hateful.

but when we talk about religions.. let's talk about religious attitudes and practices..

dont forget.. whoever feels being attacked and invades and overwhelmed.. will eventually grow hostile against the invader.

so no double standards at all.. just being able to look at both sides of a coin.

true.. I read terrible things about islam here. then again.. i make use of my god given gift.: my mind. so i read the ..propaganda as you call it then I wait for a muslim to refute it and what do I get? only a you tube vid with a muslim imam ,or expert whatever to confirm taht aysha was 9 years old and how to beat your wife without leaving marks on the body..

and then.. we have the muslim one killing two christians in the usa.. the quranic way.. "cut fingers and heads"| why?
see??

ProVeritas.. I m not talking about people who misinterpret and misapply Allah's word.. I m talking abouit Quran itself.

it's Quran that talks about beating wives it's Quran that talks about 2 women = 1 man in terms of credibility it's quran that says "cut heads and all fingers"

what do YOU have to say about what Quran says?
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No I dont have double standards at all. I cant possibly argue with every hostile comment here against islam especialy against muslim people I got tired. I have made very clear , I think , where I stand.
I ve also expressed my repugnance to every barbaric attitude be it christian or muslim , sexist and hateful.
but when we talk about religions.. let's talk about religious attitudes and practices..
dont forget.. whoever feels being attacked and invades and overwhelmed.. will eventually grow hostile against the invader.
so no double standards at all.. just being able to look at both sides of a coin.
true.. I read terrible things about islam here. then again.. i make use of my god given gift.: my mind. so i read the ..propaganda as you call it then I wait for a muslim to refute it and what do I get? only a you tube vid with a muslim imam ,or expert whatever to confirm taht aysha was 9 years old and how to beat your wife without leaving marks on the body..
and then.. we have the muslim one killing two christians in the usa.. the quranic way.. "cut fingers and heads"| why?
see??
ProVeritas.. I m not talking about people who misinterpret and misapply Allah's word.. I m talking abouit Quran itself.
it's Quran that talks about beating wives it's Quran that talks about 2 women = 1 man in terms of credibility it's quran that says "cut heads and all fingers"
what do YOU have to say about what Quran says?
Excellent post but the man has just defended rape and enslavement - just as long as it is carried out by invading muslims it's ok. He is just as brainwashed as all the other muslims.
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Excellent post but the man has just defended rape and enslavement - just as long as it is carried out by invading muslims it's ok. He is just as brainwashed as all the other muslims.
And why do you think that the opinion of a Tissekone is needed?
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I have been to the Akropolis and the thought did not occur to me. Thanks for the reminder. At least praying in te Akropolis may put to rest all those slave souls murdered there to please and entertain the blood thirsty populace of the time.
ProVeritas you know means truth, I call a spade a spade. When I concede a point to your liking I am accused of Taqqiya when I refute a point or mention a point you guys do not like I am agressive, make up your mind, which way it is? lololo
it's not a matter of a point being to my liking or not.. it's about being able to concede to the truth no matter who it comes from.

I m talking about 150,000 muslims all over Greece.. they asked for a mosque to be built in close proximity to the Akropolis.. I guess they chose the place for a reason. they must secretly long for Zeus eulogy who knows.. or else.. they did it to provoke ,, deeply provoke and challenge the host country's and people's culture.
see what I mean?

one muslim will not think of anything like this.. it's the big numbers that make them think.. they are in some kind of conquest expedition . sorry but in all honesty when muslims claim a mosque just near the Akropolis I only wish Zeus made use of his thunderbolt. at least he was less patient than Jesus.:))

there's a greek saying that says it all: "give liberties to the peasant and he will jump on your bed."
or " the wild animals came to chase away the domestic ones"
no offence. but whoever doesnt respect the host culture is a devious invader. And will eventually be treated as such.

Respect is a prerequisite owed to the host by the guest.

now how I want it to be.. I want it to be : call a spade a spade. yeah.

so .. can I call for christians to go and pray in Meccah? or build a church or Parthenon next to Kaaba?

you wouldnt like it now would you .. nor would you allow me this ..freedom would you . you would take it as a provocation wouldnt you .

because it would be a provocation now let's call a spade a spade. shall we :)
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No I dont have double standards at all. I cant possibly argue with every hostile comment here against islam especialy against muslim people I got tired. I have made very clear , I think , where I stand.
I ve also expressed my repugnance to every barbaric attitude be it christian or muslim , sexist and hateful.
but when we talk about religions.. let's talk about religious attitudes and practices..
dont forget.. whoever feels being attacked and invades and overwhelmed.. will eventually grow hostile against the invader.
so no double standards at all.. just being able to look at both sides of a coin.
true.. I read terrible things about islam here. then again.. i make use of my god given gift.: my mind. so i read the ..propaganda as you call it then I wait for a muslim to refute it and what do I get? only a you tube vid with a muslim imam ,or expert whatever to confirm taht aysha was 9 years old and how to beat your wife without leaving marks on the body..
and then.. we have the muslim one killing two christians in the usa.. the quranic way.. "cut fingers and heads"| why?
see??
ProVeritas.. I m not talking about people who misinterpret and misapply Allah's word.. I m talking abouit Quran itself.
it's Quran that talks about beating wives it's Quran that talks about 2 women = 1 man in terms of credibility it's quran that says "cut heads and all fingers"
what do YOU have to say about what Quran says?
Nowhere the Quran says the woman is worth 1/2 the man. Period.
Any Imam who confrim something he does not know does not represent Islam. Majortiy of muslim schoolars believe that Ayesha was about 13-14 years when Mohammad consumated marraie to her, at that time that was the age girls married as they developed early.
The other guestions I answered early.
The Quran is the word of God preserved by HIM , if some choose to intreprete the Quran in self serving manner that is their choice and their sin. Nuslims who understand the Quran can easily detect the faulty intrepretation whether coming from illiterates or from so called Imams who are not well vrsed or are deviants. Imams in Islam are not unfallibale and muslims are not bound to listen to them if they state things that can conform to Quranic verses and Hadeeth. Nowadays with anynody able to start a TV station and broadcast to the world through satellite and hiring a so called Imam it is easy to distort facts
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<quoted text>And why do you think that the opinion of a Tissekone is needed?
and how are you doing Spathis?:)
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When the message came to Mohammad he preached to his family and tribe, few agreed and the rest of Makkans denied and tortured his followers and abused him no end and decided to kill him so he ran to Madina where the people there welcomed him and his few people. They barred trading with muslims and marrying them and made their life hell and drove them to hunger for makkan had a clout with all tribes. In the first war Makkans sent 1000 well equiped fighters to finish the muslims who numbered about 300 hundred and had only 2 horses.Muslims were not out to fight but were forced to battle and they were scared because the numbers do not match. So God sent that verse tht he will support his faithful and HE did and muuslims won a battle that neither they prepared for nor wanted. All the wars were to defend muslims and protect the faithful. Is that different from Moses taking the mighty pharoes to task with God help or Joshwa entering Palestine and killing all inhabitants or Solomon conquering Yemen by threats and the help of JINN and God or David battles to protect the faith? When Islam was secure in Islam land God then said " fo not fight those who do not fight you or drive you ut of your homes" and then says- No compulsion is faith for the true path is clear and the wrong path is clear. So muslims are not clled to fight to spread the faith but as in any other law God or man made they can fightto defend themselves and God will help if they are defending themselves. God says do not transgress.
You can not pick and choose the verses without the context or to support a skewed point of view.
true . out of context things can take any meaning.

However, seems that Allah changed his own word according to circumstances...... and I cant help focusing on the words:

Quran:“When Allah was revealing to the angels,“I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so cut above the necks, and cut every finger of them!”– Quran 8:12.”

I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror

unbelievers? terror?? mama mou, what kind of God is he to want to willy nilly impose himself on humans? sounds very ..humanlike to me .

and it scares me and it appals me. and then I see in the 21st century some muslims apply Allah's message so...OUT OF CONTEXT.

so what am I to make of it?

please dont argue with me using the OT. you're losing the argument before you even start. You only prove that the only justification of the Quranic content is the similarities to the OT.

so why bother with the Quran if we have it all in the OT?
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it's not a matter of a point being to my liking or not.. it's about being able to concede to the truth no matter who it comes from.
I m talking about 150,000 muslims all over Greece.. they asked for a mosque to be built in close proximity to the Akropolis.. I guess they chose the place for a reason. they must secretly long for Zeus eulogy who knows.. or else.. they did it to provoke ,, deeply provoke and challenge the host country's and people's culture.
see what I mean?
one muslim will not think of anything like this.. it's the big numbers that make them think.. they are in some kind of conquest expedition . sorry but in all honesty when muslims claim a mosque just near the Akropolis I only wish Zeus made use of his thunderbolt. at least he was less patient than Jesus.:))
there's a greek saying that says it all: "give liberties to the peasant and he will jump on your bed."
or " the wild animals came to chase away the domestic ones"
no offence. but whoever doesnt respect the host culture is a devious invader. And will eventually be treated as such.
Respect is a prerequisite owed to the host by the guest.
now how I want it to be.. I want it to be : call a spade a spade. yeah.
so .. can I call for christians to go and pray in Meccah? or build a church or Parthenon next to Kaaba?
you wouldnt like it now would you .. nor would you allow me this ..freedom would you . you would take it as a provocation wouldnt you .
because it would be a provocation now let's call a spade a spade. shall we :)
If they are Greeks then they have the right like any Greek to ask and the city has the right to refuse based on zoning not any other criteria, I believ there is a church near the Akropolis if my memory serves me so why not a mosque? Having said that a mosque should be built in a convenient location accessible to majortiy of muslims and it is not to be a political statement. You know God does not live in mosques they are simply places of worship. The question is why you think it is a political statment to ask for such site? Could be cultural and may be to build smething that contributs to the city atractions. The Red Mosque in Turkey is a famous attraction, no? there are beatiful greek orthodox churches in many arab countries and theyare located in best areas
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Spathis wrote:
<quoted text>And why do you think that the opinion of a Tissekone is needed?
...and why haven't you taken a camel back to Swewerstan? Oh, I forgot. You are in prison for the rest of your life.
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Nowhere the Quran says the woman is worth 1/2 the man. Period.
Any Imam who confrim something he does not know does not represent Islam. Majortiy of muslim schoolars believe that Ayesha was about 13-14 years when Mohammad consumated marraie to her, at that time that was the age girls married as they developed early.
The other guestions I answered early.
The Quran is the word of God preserved by HIM , if some choose to intreprete the Quran in self serving manner that is their choice and their sin. Nuslims who understand the Quran can easily detect the faulty intrepretation whether coming from illiterates or from so called Imams who are not well vrsed or are deviants. Imams in Islam are not unfallibale and muslims are not bound to listen to them if they state things that can conform to Quranic verses and Hadeeth. Nowadays with anynody able to start a TV station and broadcast to the world through satellite and hiring a so called Imam it is easy to distort facts
ProVeritas.. I dont hold you or any muslim individual responsible for everything an imam or other says. But still.. you have to admit that your imams say so.. so who appoints them as imams and why should one ,every time they ( imams) say something outrageous, excuse them as misinterpreting the Quran? I mean if imams misinterpret the Quran who then gives the right interpretation? who taught you the true Quran?


I read the Quran. I believe I read there that in cases of testimony one's man word is equalled by two women's testimony .( cause i guess women are considered moody and erratic or something haha)

come on now dont lie to me.. it's either in the Quran or in some other books I was given --by muslims- to read and get .. enlightened

dont lie to me.. dont..

in islam 1 man's testimony =2 inherently erratic and untrustworthy women's testimony.

dont lie to me.... proVERITAS :)))
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true . out of context things can take any meaning.
However, seems that Allah changed his own word according to circumstances...... and I cant help focusing on the words:
Quran:“When Allah was revealing to the angels,“I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so cut above the necks, and cut every finger of them!”– Quran 8:12.”
I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror
unbelievers? terror?? mama mou, what kind of God is he to want to willy nilly impose himself on humans? sounds very ..humanlike to me .
and it scares me and it appals me. and then I see in the 21st century some muslims apply Allah's message so...OUT OF CONTEXT.
so what am I to make of it?
please dont argue with me using the OT. you're losing the argument before you even start. You only prove that the only justification of the Quranic content is the similarities to the OT.
so why bother with the Quran if we have it all in the OT?
:)
That is the same God who sent Noah and destroyed the whole world who disbelieved and saved a handful, the same God who sent Abraham and Isaac and Moses and Solomon and Jesus. The same who destroyed Sodom and drawned the Pharoe army. He is all powerful as well as merciful but He does not have to be diplomat.
That is not the OT I am quoting, that is the Quran, if you find similarities it is because the Author is the same.
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ProVeritas.. I dont hold you or any muslim individual responsible for everything an imam or other says. But still.. you have to admit that your imams say so.. so who appoints them as imams and why should one ,every time they ( imams) say something outrageous, excuse them as misinterpreting the Quran? I mean if imams misinterpret the Quran who then gives the right interpretation? who taught you the true Quran?
I read the Quran. I believe I read there that in cases of testimony one's man word is equalled by two women's testimony .( cause i guess women are considered moody and erratic or something haha)
come on now dont lie to me.. it's either in the Quran or in some other books I was given --by muslims- to read and get .. enlightened
dont lie to me.. dont..
in islam 1 man's testimony =2 inherently erratic and untrustworthy women's testimony.
dont lie to me.... proVERITAS :)))
You said a woman is worth 1/2 the man so did JAN, I refuted that, but about witness the Quran says that man and women each ahve a role in the creation, one can do the other's task. Due to the task assigned to women they are made to be more caring and to use the heart more than the brain, you do ot like it, then hard luck.
We try in our finite knowledge to justify the all knowing wisdom of God but in somethings we have to take His word for it.
You tell me wny jews go and knock their heads on the wailing wall, does that make senser? or why you eat he host every sunday, and that funny skull cap, or all those ruuaals you perform and everybody does? Why Satuarday is no work for jews and they can not perform jobs on that day? What is the science behind all this?
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If they are Greeks then they have the right like any Greek to ask and the city has the right to refuse based on zoning not any other criteria, I believ there is a church near the Akropolis if my memory serves me so why not a mosque? Having said that a mosque should be built in a convenient location accessible to majortiy of muslims and it is not to be a political statement. You know God does not live in mosques they are simply places of worship. The question is why you think it is a political statment to ask for such site? Could be cultural and may be to build smething that contributs to the city atractions. The Red Mosque in Turkey is a famous attraction, no? there are beatiful greek orthodox churches in many arab countries and theyare located in best areas
A Pakistani or Syrian or a Nigerian can never be Greek. they can be greek citizens when Pasok ( socialist party )needed their vote ( wink wink) but now they are taken back that.. "previlege".

crisis has it's good points :)

let's be honest.. an african can never be greek just like a greek can never be .. say.. sudanese.. or .. Chinese or whatever so strikingly different and go there and DEMAND to build a Parthenon or Maria Virgin church next to a mosque or a ..totem or a pagoda.

it's called .. first self respect that leads to respect for the"other" much more so if the "other' is the host.

demand is the key word that shows the real motives. It's ok, dont compare Canada and the USA with countries and nations in europe.. muliticulturalism is not the foundation of european nations. In fact.. nation in european terms is the antonym of multi-culti.

of course I cant help noticing a devious attempt to change this.. all over.

so can christians go and build a stonehenge, a parthenon, a church or a colosseum near Kaaba???

THAT'S THE QUESTION proVeritas.:)
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meanwhile a song I like very much and which Turks take so much pride in...
http://youtu.be/8LoIF6VzH9A

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A Pakistani or Syrian or a Nigerian can never be Greek. they can be greek citizens when Pasok ( socialist party )needed their vote ( wink wink) but now they are taken back that.. "previlege".
crisis has it's good points :)
let's be honest.. an african can never be greek just like a greek can never be .. say.. sudanese.. or .. Chinese or whatever so strikingly different and go there and DEMAND to build a Parthenon or Maria Virgin church next to a mosque or a ..totem or a pagoda.
it's called .. first self respect that leads to respect for the"other" much more so if the "other' is the host.
demand is the key word that shows the real motives. It's ok, dont compare Canada and the USA with countries and nations in europe.. muliticulturalism is not the foundation of european nations. In fact.. nation in european terms is the antonym of multi-culti.
of course I cant help noticing a devious attempt to change this.. all over.
so can christians go and build a stonehenge, a parthenon, a church or a colosseum near Kaaba???
THAT'S THE QUESTION proVeritas.:)
They can ask, what is the harm in asking?
Having said that I think the whole of Arabian peninsula ( don't know exactly the boundaries are designated Islam Land only) I can not recall the Quran on that or the Hadeeth but will find out and get back to you, I admit I never looked into that. I know Saudia does not allow churches or temples on it's land.
The Vatican is not the original land of Christianity, they do not allow niether mosques nor any other churches for that matter withing it's boundaries, just apassing remark
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Excellent post but the man has just defended rape and enslavement - just as long as it is carried out by invading muslims it's ok. He is just as brainwashed as all the other muslims.
My experience so far has shown me that good muslim people just dont follow Quran. they only keep the general idea about God and some traditions, religious ones.. not killing ones.

that's ok, but what if one follows Quran to the letter? That's my big question.

hello Principe!

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