The Dangerous Lie Of The Hijab

The Dangerous Lie Of The Hijab

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#1 Feb 18, 2013
http://www.investigativeproject.org/3719/the-...

'Indeed, hijabs – those, that is, worn for allegedly religious, rather than political reasons – declare a submission to religious mandate (or rather, the belief in one: in truth, the Koran does not call for women to cover their hair, or even their faces and bodies). Nor, either, does it serve to desexualize women, as the high rate of rape in Muslim majority countries makes abundantly obvious. What it does do, however – and what burqas and nikabs especially do -- is dehumanize them, creating faceless beings, property to be sold into marriage, beaten, or battered to death with the pelting of a thousand stones against their heads.

Consequently, the persistent misperceptions, the insistent protests mischaracterizing this symbol of religious and political subservience, these dishonest declarations about sexuality and freedom, echo beyond Nesrat's words; they spread through the willingness of a misguided media and naïve public to other young women at risk of becoming similarly misled. And if we fail now to confront – and combat – such misapprehensions and distortions with the unveiled and naked truth, we will have only ourselves to blame for what becomes of them.'
abba

Mesquite, NV

#2 Feb 18, 2013
Trisha wrote:
'Indeed, hijabs – those, that is, worn for allegedly religious, rather than political reasons – declare a submission to religious mandate
man has authiroty over women bcause allah(swa) has made the 1 superior to the other n bcause they spend there welth to mantain them. good women r obediant.

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#3 Feb 18, 2013
Trisha wrote:
http://www.investigativeprojec t.org/3719/the-dangerous-lie-o f-the-hijab
'Indeed, hijabs – those, that is, worn for allegedly religious, rather than political reasons – declare a submission to religious mandate (or rather, the belief in one: in truth, the Koran does not call for women to cover their hair, or even their faces and bodies). Nor, either, does it serve to desexualize women, as the high rate of rape in Muslim majority countries makes abundantly obvious. What it does do, however – and what burqas and nikabs especially do -- is dehumanize them, creating faceless beings, property to be sold into marriage, beaten, or battered to death with the pelting of a thousand stones against their heads.
Consequently, the persistent misperceptions, the insistent protests mischaracterizing this symbol of religious and political subservience, these dishonest declarations about sexuality and freedom, echo beyond Nesrat's words; they spread through the willingness of a misguided media and naïve public to other young women at risk of becoming similarly misled. And if we fail now to confront – and combat – such misapprehensions and distortions with the unveiled and naked truth, we will have only ourselves to blame for what becomes of them.'
That is, I suppose, one way of looking at it Trisha.....but consider this. Back in the dark ages, there was a similar attitude towards women in the west. Western women (working together with forward thinking men) overcame that barrier. This is one of the reasons islam refuses to change and evolve/develop. It would lose the control it enjoys. imams wouldnt control the people. Men wouldnt control women.
That lack of control is what islam males fear more than anything else. Whatever happens to muslim women, now and for the future, will not reflect on us kuffar. It will reflect entirely on the spitefull and ignorant muslim males and the women themselves. They do not have to stand for the stupidity of the men, and it is up to them to realise that, and act on it.
One day they will. And I will take great pleasure in laughing in abba's face when it happens.

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#4 Feb 18, 2013
abba wrote:
<quoted text>man has authiroty over women bcause allah(swa) has made the 1 superior to the other n bcause they spend there welth to mantain them. good women r obediant.
That is your imam talking.
Men have never been given authority over women. You havent and nor has any man you know. Women are free and equal. And you will accept that inconvenienbt truth is you want to remain in the free west. Attitudes such as yours do no good at all. You are more primitive than you realise. I really hope you learn while you are young enough to change. If not, you will be heading for a very miserable future.

“Mad as Hell”

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#5 Feb 18, 2013
Trisha wrote:
http://www.investigativeprojec t.org/3719/the-dangerous-lie-o f-the-hijab
Nor, either, does it serve to desexualize women, as the high rate of rape in Muslim majority countries makes abundantly obvious.
Where is the statistical evidence to justify this claim.
What I have seen is the complete opposite with almost zero rape.
Your whole discussion has therefore fallen on its face.
Perhaps it's you then that needs to wear the hijab to cover your embarrassment.
You should do some research before printing these bare assed lies.
Fat Jack

Van Nuys, CA

#6 Feb 18, 2013
abba wrote:
<quoted text>man has authiroty over women bcause allah(swa) has made the 1 superior to the other n bcause they spend there welth to mantain them. good women r obediant.
Allah says:“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because of what Allah has preferred one with over the other and because of what they spend to support them from their wealth.”[Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 34]

What does it mean that men are “protectors and maintainers” of women?

To answer this question, let us first look at the Arabic word that we are translating as “protectors and maintainers”. This word is “qawwâmûn” the plural of “qawwâm”.

This word – qawwâm – in turn, is an emphatic form of the word “qayyim”, which means a person who manages the affairs of others. The qayyim of a people is the one who governs their affairs and steers their course. Likewise, the qayyim of a woman is either her husband or her guardian – the one who has to look after her and ensure that her needs are met.

When Allah says:“Men are the qawwâmûn of women…” it means – and Allah knows best – that men are held liable for handling the affairs of women and are responsible for the women under their care. A husband, therefore, has the responsibility of taking care of his wife, protecting her, defending her honor, and fulfilling her needs regarding her religion and her worldly life. It does not mean – as all too many people have falsely assumed – that he has the right to behave obstinately towards her, compel her, subject her to his will, suppress her individuality, and thus heinously negate her identity.

His status as protector and maintainer is pure responsibility, pure liability, and not so much a position of authority. It requires from him that he uses his good sense, thinks carefully about what he does, and exercises patience. It means that he cannot be hasty and offhanded in his decisions. It does not mean that he can disregard his wife’s opinions and belittle her good person.

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#7 Feb 18, 2013
Many Western non-Muslim women I know have purchased the traditional Muslim clothing and when wearing it love the feeling of being anonymous, but also they feel protected.
If a Western man stares at her, she knows it is not a sexual stare as she is not displaying herself as Western women do, to an extreme, in a titillating way.
When the wife is out shopping at Walmart or picking the kids up from school, the husband at work can rest easy that his wife is not receiving any unwelcome attention from leering ogling men waiting for a dress accident to occur.

“Tell it as it is.”

Since: Jun 12

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#8 Feb 18, 2013
animals against islam wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the statistical evidence to justify this claim.
What I have seen is the complete opposite with almost zero rape.
Your whole discussion has therefore fallen on its face.
Perhaps it's you then that needs to wear the hijab to cover your embarrassment.
You should do some research before printing these bare assed lies.
Fact. 4 male witnesses needed to be able to pursue a rape case.

Fact. Even if you win, you are still classed as damaged goods, likely to be a victim of "hour killing"

Consider. How often does anyone commit rape with the required number of witnesses present?

Under the circumstances it takes an awful amount of courage to even admit to be raped.

You doubtless know this (have you taken advantage of it yet?) but carry on about evidence.

Seems you may have to ranked with the likes of abba and the believer in giants.

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#9 Feb 18, 2013
Jules in the UK wrote:
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That is, I suppose, one way of looking at it Trisha.....but consider this. Back in the dark ages, there was a similar attitude towards women in the west. Western women (working together with forward thinking men) overcame that barrier. This is one of the reasons islam refuses to change and evolve/develop. It would lose the control it enjoys. imams wouldnt control the people. Men wouldnt control women.
That lack of control is what islam males fear more than anything else. Whatever happens to muslim women, now and for the future, will not reflect on us kuffar. It will reflect entirely on the spitefull and ignorant muslim males and the women themselves. They do not have to stand for the stupidity of the men, and it is up to them to realise that, and act on it.
One day they will. And I will take great pleasure in laughing in abba's face when it happens.
Jules, I post a lot of articles I do not necessarily agree with completely. I like to post information that opens up everyone's thinking process.
;)

I agree with you though, it would be great if muslim females would take a greater stance against the injustice they receive in Muslim ruled countries.

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#10 Feb 18, 2013
Old Pom wrote:
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Fact. 4 male witnesses needed to be able to pursue a rape case.
Fact. Even if you win, you are still classed as damaged goods, likely to be a victim of "hour killing"
Consider. How often does anyone commit rape with the required number of witnesses present?
Under the circumstances it takes an awful amount of courage to even admit to be raped.
You doubtless know this (have you taken advantage of it yet?) but carry on about evidence.
Seems you may have to ranked with the likes of abba and the believer in giants.
He thinks his personal experience is somehow a valid fact we all should take seriously.

lol!

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#11 Feb 18, 2013
Another interesting pov:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...

On Modesty and Moving the Bar
Some time back I posted a picture of two men leering at two women in burkas. For me, this picture emphasized something I had been thinking for a long time: imposing new stricter standards of modesty just moves the bar, and once that standard becomes the new norm, the bar must be moved again.
Because of how they are wired, there is no way to stop (heterosexual) men from finding women sexually attractive, or to stop them from appreciating that sexual attractiveness. Even a burka won’t stop it.'

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...

Please read the rest to understand the points she's making.

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#12 Feb 18, 2013
animals against islam wrote:
Many Western non-Muslim women I know have purchased the traditional Muslim clothing and when wearing it love the feeling of being anonymous, but also they feel protected.
If a Western man stares at her, she knows it is not a sexual stare as she is not displaying herself as Western women do, to an extreme, in a titillating way.
When the wife is out shopping at Walmart or picking the kids up from school, the husband at work can rest easy that his wife is not receiving any unwelcome attention from leering ogling men waiting for a dress accident to occur.
how can they "feel protected" when you "know" so much about so many of them?

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#13 Feb 18, 2013
Old Pom wrote:
<quoted text>
Fact. 4 male witnesses needed to be able to pursue a rape case.
Fact. Even if you win, you are still classed as damaged goods, likely to be a victim of "hour killing"
Consider. How often does anyone commit rape with the required number of witnesses present?
Under the circumstances it takes an awful amount of courage to even admit to be raped.
You doubtless know this (have you taken advantage of it yet?) but carry on about evidence.
Seems you may have to ranked with the likes of abba and the believer in giants.
His own misogynist views kind of rule him out of being able to understand your post.

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#14 Feb 18, 2013
Trisha wrote:
Another interesting pov:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...
On Modesty and Moving the Bar
Some time back I posted a picture of two men leering at two women in burkas. For me, this picture emphasized something I had been thinking for a long time: imposing new stricter standards of modesty just moves the bar, and once that standard becomes the new norm, the bar must be moved again.
Because of how they are wired, there is no way to stop (heterosexual) men from finding women sexually attractive, or to stop them from appreciating that sexual attractiveness. Even a burka won’t stop it.'
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...
Please read the rest to understand the points she's making.
Interesting... but I'm not sure if the author is correct about the "moving the bar" part when she gave the example about "homeschool boy's choice".(not sure if she provide any stats) While I'm pretty sure there's always a "biology" part that may come to mind, but I don't believe that the true bar would be moved to the wrong side in this example. The author is a woman. But allow me to provide a man's opinion: it is probably misleading to say to the homeschool girls that their cloth is the reason they're not called out by the boys. A boy's eyes may pop out on seeing a girl in sexy dress, but they may be the last thing they'd consider when they want to enter a relationship!

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#15 Feb 19, 2013
The Qur'an calls women to cover their bodies. the writer of the article is ignorant and a liar.
the high rate of rape is another barefaced lie. the Majority of Muslim women doesn't go out on date with men therefore rape rate will always be low.
the rate of rape and teen pregnancies are high in the USA.

“Mad as Hell”

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#16 Feb 19, 2013
Sarah ___ wrote:
The Qur'an calls women to cover their bodies. the writer of the article is ignorant and a liar.
the high rate of rape is another barefaced lie. the Majority of Muslim women doesn't go out on date with men therefore rape rate will always be low.
the rate of rape and teen pregnancies are high in the USA.
This is correct.
The Muslim male has too high a regard for Muslim women for rape to be an important factor in Muslim society, plus if we examine the situations when a woman is raped, then these circumstances simply don't exist.
For example do Muslim women go to night clubs, drink alcohol and be in a situation to be drugged.
Do Muslim women catch a taxi home at 3am in the morning after visiting a club.
Do Muslim women go unaccompanied when away from the home.
Do Muslim women attend drunken Xmas parties.
Are Muslim women subject to hidden camera/upskirt moments by preying men.
Are Muslim women the subject of sexual exploitation in mens magazines, porno films etc.
Can we say that a Muslim woman "asked for it" by dressing in a lewd and provocative manner.
The answer to all of the above is no, to these potential rape situations.

All of the above and countless more are situations that the non-Muslim or "Christian" women encounter in the West where rape is as common as single mothers and unwanted bastards.
Dougie

London, UK

#17 Feb 19, 2013
animals against islam wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the statistical evidence to justify this claim.
What I have seen is the complete opposite with almost zero rape.
Your whole discussion has therefore fallen on its face.
Perhaps it's you then that needs to wear the hijab to cover your embarrassment.
You should do some research before printing these bare assed lies.
Zero rape? And what happens to a woman who reports a rape? She is accused of adultery or she is forced to marry her rapist. What a religion that permits rape. Islam is a religion for perverts & rapists.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia...

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#18 Feb 19, 2013
Trisha wrote:
<quoted text>
Jules, I post a lot of articles I do not necessarily agree with completely. I like to post information that opens up everyone's thinking process.
;)
I agree with you though, it would be great if muslim females would take a greater stance against the injustice they receive in Muslim ruled countries.
Thanks Trisha. There was nothing in the slightest wrong with your post. I was just speculating.:-)

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#19 Feb 19, 2013
Sarah ___ wrote:
The Qur'an calls women to cover their bodies. the writer of the article is ignorant and a liar.
the high rate of rape is another barefaced lie. the Majority of Muslim women doesn't go out on date with men therefore rape rate will always be low.
the rate of rape and teen pregnancies are high in the USA.
Sarah.
This is one of thos occasions where I am not criticising you personally, but I am criticising your understanding of what 'rape' actually is.
Rape, is when one person performs a sexual act(typically penetrative sex) on another person WITHOUT that persons consent.
It can apply right accross the board. Man/woman, man/man, woman/woman and you may be surprised to know woman/man. If a woman performs oral sex on a man without his concent, she has raped him, and she can be charged accordingly.
Your understanding of when and where rape occurs is concerning too. Rape doesnt necessarily happen while people are on a date. It can, but not all that commonly. Most rape victims know their rapist. The rape can quite commonly take place in the victims home. A man can be guilty of raping his wife - assuming he forces himself on her against her wishes. Simply because they are married, it doesnt mean that his wife is obliged to have sex with him as and when he chooses. Rape can also be carried out with an object such as a police batton.
There is a very high percentage of rape in islamic countries, but the judicial system in islam seldom favours the woman. Since she requires 4 witnesses to bring such a charge, what can she do?
It is no lie, it is no myth. It is a fact. Just because your imam tells you somthing, it doesnt make it true.

“Mad as Hell”

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#20 Feb 19, 2013
I don't class sex between a Muslim couple ever being rape as what Muslim wife would ever refuse her husband's demands.
The idea is so preposterous that this argument of the Islamophobes falls flat on its face.
Rape therefore in Muslim countries is extremely rare as Muslim women are rarely unaccompanied.

This is the opposite in Western countries where women are left to wander, often aimlessly, tempting undesirable attention and eventual rape if not consented.
We are all aware of men chasing tail in Western countries, especially when it is wagging in from of him in skin tight jeans, skirts and now tights.

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