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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_lags...

According to the article with active help from China and North Korea, Pakistan has surged well ahead of India in the missile arena. The only nuclear-capable ballistic missile in India's arsenal which can be said to be 100% operational as of now is the short-range Prithvi missile.

Though the 700-km Agni-I and 2,000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles are being "inducted" into the armed forces, it will take "some time" for them to become "fully-operational in the numbers required".

In effect, the missile report card is rather dismal at present. "Unlike Pakistan, our programme is indigenous. But a strategic missile needs to be tested 10 to 15 times, over a variety of flight envelopes and targets, before it can be said to be fully-operational. A missile cannot be dubbed ready just after three to four tests," said an expert.

In the light of above article, lets try and war-game Pakistan in to submission with the might of our superior military.

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Nuclear Deterrence: India has only Prithvi missiles as well as fighters to deliver nukes but no nuclear-powered submarines armed with nuclear-tipped missiles. The "nuclear triad" is still some four years away from completion, with the 25-year-old indigenous programme to build nuclear subs under the ATV (advanced technology vessel) project yet to come to fruition.

Submarines: To China's 57 attack submarines and submarine-launched ballistic missiles, India has just 16 aging diesel-electric submarines, with huge serviceability problems. Only half of Navy's 10 Russian Kilo-class, four German HDW and two virtually-obsolete Foxtrot submarines are operationally available. The Rs 18,798-crore Scorpene project will deliver six submarines only between 2012 and 2017. Pakistan, meanwhile, is building its submarine arm, inducting three French Agosta-90B vessels.

Fighters: Airpower may be decisive during wars but IAF continues to grapple with a free-fall in its fighter squadrons, down to 32 from its sanctioned strength of 39.5. Though 44 squadrons are needed to meet "a full conflict" with Pakistan, while maintaining "a dissuasive posture" against China, IAF will reach the 39.5 mark only by 2017. Delays in both the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft as well as the procurement process for 126 new multi-role combat fighters in the $10.4 billion project has led to this situation.

Artillery: The Bofors ghost has derailed Army's artillery modernisation plan, valued to be well over Rs 15,000 crore. There has been no induction of big guns since the 1986 procurement of 410 Bofors 155mm/39-calibre howitzers. Army wants to induct 400 155mm/52-calibre towed guns, with another 1,100 of them to be manufactured indigenously, in a Rs 8,000-crore project; 180 wheeled self-propelled howitzers for around Rs 4,700 crore; 140 air-mobile ultra-light howitzers for around Rs 2,900 crore.

Night-Fighting: Army, in particular, requires a strong dose of third-generation thermal imaging sights and night-vision devices. It wants to equip all its tanks, which include 1,200 T-72 tanks, with solid NF capabilities by around 2010-2011.

Aircraft Carriers: Navy has long demanded three carriers but it does not have even one operating at present since the ageing 28,000-tonne INS Viraat is currently undergoing another life-extension refit to ensure it can run for five more years.

SOURCE RAJAT PANDIT - DEFENCE ANALYST - THE TIMES OF INDIA

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Pakistan is ahead of India because it gets most of its nukes from China.

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Federation of American Scientists published a report on their website in June 2000.

http://www.fas.org/news/pakistan/2000/e200006...

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is far larger than previously suspected and may be five times as large as that of India, according to U.S. military and intelligence reports.

Instead of the previous estimates of 10 to 15 nuclear weapons, the new estimate is that Pakistan has built from 25 to 100 bombs and has the missiles and jet planes to deliver them.

A Senate aide with a strong intelligence background confirmed the report of Pakistan's upgraded nuclear status, which first appeared in NBC News reports this week.

William Triplett II, a Capitol Hill specialist in proliferation, described the report as highly credible.

"You've got an incredible change in the nuclear balance of terror in South Asia where we think it matters," he said.

Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, which covers South Asia, said the previous belief that the Indians were quite far ahead of the Pakistanis in their nuclear balance has been unfounded.

"Don't assume that the Pakistani nuclear capability is inferior to the Indians," said Gen. Zinni, according to a spokesman at his Florida headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base.

India, which was previously reported to have from 20 to 100 nuclear bombs, or the fissile material ready to make those bombs, may have as few as five completed bombs, which are not ready to be mounted on missiles, according to U.S. intelligence and military sources cited by NBC and confirmed by Mr. Triplett.

India set off a nuclear blast in 1974, but then kept its nuclear program under wraps until May 1998, when it set off five explosions shortly after the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party came to power.

Pakistan, which has received extensive nuclear and missile technology and material help from China since the 1980s, responded a few weeks later with six explosions of its own.

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On a D Day, a planned invasion goes ahead. Objective is
- Destroy Terrorist camps on Paki soil !

Pakistan has redeployed thousands of troops to its border with India.

In an attempt to test Pakistan’s air defences, response time and in order to expose the location of radar stations along the border two team’s of Indian Air Force jet fighters carry out incursion sorties in to Pakistani Airspace. In turn, the Pakistani Air Force has increased its own vigilance by scrambling fighter jets over several Pakistani cities in order to defend against an Indian air attack.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh assembled India’s military chiefs in New Delhi to review the “preparedness” of the Indian armed forces.

Foreign Ministry has advised Indians to avoid travel to Pakistan.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, has his meetings Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who has publicly confirmed Pakistan’s preparedness to retaliate within minutes against any Indian strike.

The Taliban, al-Qaeda and other anti-American allied militant groups operating in Pakistan, particularly in the NorthWest Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) have vowed to cease operations against the Pakistani government and join the Pakistani Army in waging war against India, including utilizing suicide bombers.

SOURCE MANJIT SINGH GEOPOLITICAL WAR GAMES JOURNALIST

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Outnumbering Pakistani Armored division and almost meeting no resistance from Pakistani side except long range artillery shelling, Indian ground forces are deep 25 in to the Pakistani territory bulldozing their way through to deeper insides of Pakistan - Almost districts and towns of Mirpur Khas, Nawabshah, Larkana, Shikarpur, Rahimyar Khan, Bahawalpur, Sahiwal, Okara, Sargodha, Sialkot are in the range and Indians have had very minimal casualties.

"Integrated HQ of Ministry of Defence" in South Block, New Delhi is feeling jubilant with this unprecedented success and senior army brass is cheering with the devastating punch Indian forces had delivered deep in to the belly of the enemy. General Deepak Kapoor is looking worried - he is checking with the Forward Tank Commanders personally time to time and his worries are deepening. Causing casualties on the Pakistani side and meeting almost no resistance, Indian forces are now 4 Kms from Lahore and a series of flashes occur on the Pakistani side of the border which were surely nuclear ......

Fast forward 24 hours later. 250000 Indian forces have died in the nuclear attack that Pakistan launched with its own borders.

About an hour and half later, Pakistan launches preemptive massive barrage attack of its Nuclear armed missiles on New Delhi ( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields ), Mumbai,( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields) Ahmedabad (3 ), Pune (3), Chandigarh (2), Amritsar (3), Bangalore (3).

The Government in New Delhi had assembled in Parliament for emergency session when a Nuke fell directly on Raisina Hills wiping off the the Parliament building, South Block, North Block and the entire unit of the Presidents house.

India is left with no Government or Army top brass or any militia that can muster up the strength and hit back at Pakistan.

With all luck shining on India, India hits back from its nuclear bases in Andaman Nicobar and sends in 100 missiles on Pakistan carrying nukes and blows Pakistan in to oblivion.

Game Over !

Lets assess -

Do you want what is left of India ?

Is this the outcome you imagined ?

What other ways will you command your forces to overpower Pakistan without causing any damage to your own country? Please advise.
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BuzZzard wrote:
Outnumbering Pakistani Armored division and almost meeting no resistance from Pakistani side except long range artillery shelling, Indian ground forces are deep 25 in to the Pakistani territory bulldozing their way through to deeper insides of Pakistan - Almost districts and towns of Mirpur Khas, Nawabshah, Larkana, Shikarpur, Rahimyar Khan, Bahawalpur, Sahiwal, Okara, Sargodha, Sialkot are in the range and Indians have had very minimal casualties.
"Integrated HQ of Ministry of Defence" in South Block, New Delhi is feeling jubilant with this unprecedented success and senior army brass is cheering with the devastating punch Indian forces had delivered deep in to the belly of the enemy. General Deepak Kapoor is looking worried - he is checking with the Forward Tank Commanders personally time to time and his worries are deepening. Causing casualties on the Pakistani side and meeting almost no resistance, Indian forces are now 4 Kms from Lahore and a series of flashes occur on the Pakistani side of the border which were surely nuclear ......
Fast forward 24 hours later. 250000 Indian forces have died in the nuclear attack that Pakistan launched with its own borders.
About an hour and half later, Pakistan launches preemptive massive barrage attack of its Nuclear armed missiles on New Delhi ( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields ), Mumbai,( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields) Ahmedabad (3 ), Pune (3), Chandigarh (2), Amritsar (3), Bangalore (3).
The Government in New Delhi had assembled in Parliament for emergency session when a Nuke fell directly on Raisina Hills wiping off the the Parliament building, South Block, North Block and the entire unit of the Presidents house.
India is left with no Government or Army top brass or any militia that can muster up the strength and hit back at Pakistan.
With all luck shining on India, India hits back from its nuclear bases in Andaman Nicobar and sends in 100 missiles on Pakistan carrying nukes and blows Pakistan in to oblivion.
Game Over !
Lets assess -
Do you want what is left of India ?
Is this the outcome you imagined ?
What other ways will you command your forces to overpower Pakistan without causing any damage to your own country? Please advise.
Air Forces have not been used, Navy not mobilized and special forces have not been activated but still, presuming you are not a military and an Indian ( since you know what Raisina Hills are ), its an excellent write up.

There is no win out of this war with Pakistan and I have been saying this since forever.

Not a single Lungi has commented as I think they are in agreement.

Harminder ? Whats your take ? Come on, jump in and start abusing !

Equinox ? Eros ? Vultures ? Any one ? You have a way out of this Quagmire ? lets see what war Games you can plan?

Buzzard, your analysis is loosely based on general Sundarji's book "Blindmen of Hindoostan" written by him way back in 1990 something - after he retired and our famous Operation Brass-tacks!

In that book he suggests a similar scenario and has been depicted through six blind men busy describing an elephant. Direct inferences and innuendos towards our politicians and Pakistani Nuclear capabilities.

Its a good thread - we should work it out right till end and find ways if there is a way out of war with Pakistan.

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Air Forces have not been used, Navy not mobilized and special forces have not been activated but still, presuming you are not a military and an Indian ( since you know what Raisina Hills are ), its an excellent write up.
There is no win out of this war with Pakistan and I have been saying this since forever.
Not a single Lungi has commented as I think they are in agreement.
Harminder ? Whats your take ? Come on, jump in and start abusing !
Equinox ? Eros ? Vultures ? Any one ? You have a way out of this Quagmire ? lets see what war Games you can plan?
Buzzard, your analysis is loosely based on general Sundarji's book "Blindmen of Hindoostan" written by him way back in 1990 something - after he retired and our famous Operation Brass-tacks!
In that book he suggests a similar scenario and has been depicted through six blind men busy describing an elephant. Direct inferences and innuendos towards our politicians and Pakistani Nuclear capabilities.
Its a good thread - we should work it out right till end and find ways if there is a way out of war with Pakistan.
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Harminder has been quiet on this article and his silence is conspicuous. Shall we presume that he does see the point now ? Peace is the only way ? Or Talks ?
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Three big things happened where India's patience was tested beyond a reasonable doubt.

a) India's Parliament was attacked and Pakistan was blamed.

b) Terrorist attacks in Delhi, Ahmadabad & Bangalore and Pakistan was blamed.

c) Major Terrorist attack in Bombay ( Kasab ) and Pakistan was blamed again.

Our Patriot Harminder was very charged up on every occasion and jubilant that India will hit back militarily.

Nothing happened. Politicians spoke. Lot of saber rattling. Bellicose. but.... Nothing happened. The day of the attack recently, in Bombay, I wrote an article when many Hindu zealots like Kabir, Swappy wanted to have me arrested as I wrote in that article that Government of India will DO NOTHING !

It made Indians angry as I spoke the truth. Truth hurts. Harminder is hurt as His GOVERNMENT has let him down. I have a different view on it. My view is that if crows had a lully, we would have seen it whenever they flew ! India has been a ZERO in any conflicts and the only kills we have is on our own people, Bollywood glorified war movies, songs sung by Lata Mangeshkar - Aei mere watan ke logo zara aankh mein bhar lo paani, jo shaeed huen hein unkee zara yaad karo kurbaani ( Irony is that word Watan, aankh, paani, shaheed, yaad and Qurbani are all Urdu the language you all hate as in Hindi it should be Desh, chakshu, jal, veergati, simran, balli and song would look like some chutiya pande ka doha ), Bullshit stories by our historians, lies lies and lies by storytellers everywhere - this has screwed up our minds beyond repairs hence this state of frustration.

The fact is that we just can not attack PAKISTAN. Our Military leaders know what happened in 1948, 1965, 1971 & Kargil. I agree that in 1971 we had a major victory in the eastern theater but it was sheer luck that we had the support of Bangladeshi Mukti Bahini and a civil war in East Pakistan. We also know that 500.000 Strong Indian armed forces in Kashmir have not been able to bring normalcy in Kashmir so Military power is ruled out. Operation PAWAN in Sri Lanka is another example that gives us jitters. BUT, Indian public has been kept in dark - they believe that India is like the US and every now and then it is compared with the might of the US.

Simply understand - US and its allies (NATO ) spend 1 Trillion US Dollars per annum on its defence and the whole world put together spends 200 Billion US $! Understand the difference ? Just write it down explicitly on a paper with zeros in front of these trillion and billion figures to wake up !
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DEFENCE EXPENDITURE in US $ per year

USA & NATO and consortium = 1.000.000.000.000
RUSSIA, CHINA,INDIA,+ world = 200.000.000.000

US and allies are simply way ahead in their power and thinking. One man, from their consortium on the day of the Armageddon ( when a final show down takes place -literally that decides the survival of the fittest ) can wipe off the entire population in billions of this planet.
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This thread seems to another Obsessive Compulsive Mental Masturbatory Exercise (OCMME), knowing that Pakistan is far ahead of India in Nuclear and Missile technologies and its Armed forces are battle hardened.

The following facts are submitted to help war mongering Indians to come out of their delusional state of mind and join hands with Pakistan in fighting a common enemy of both nations (fanatic Muslims and Hindus) on both sides of the border.

Despite the ferocious appearance of the Indian military, largely on paper; the fact remains, over 80% of its obsolete hardware is a carryover from the Soviet-era. Indian handicap of obsolete hardware was highlighted during the 2002 India-Pakistan standoff. It was a humiliating experience for the Indians. Operation Parakram cost India about $2 billion in cash and 798 in human cost, and that too without a single shot fired from the Pakistani side.


It was also a disastrous Indian deployment, because even after one year of hostile posturing, they could not cross the border, fearing an all out war ending in a nuclear exchange. That is when India truly lost its supposed conventional superiority over Pakistan. The humiliating pull back effectively closed the doors on India for any future conventional war endeavors; because Pakistani nuclear arsenal was here to stay. During the same time Pakistanis were modernizing its arsenal through the rapid induction of modern weaponry like JF-17 fighters and precision weapons like the Hatf-8 cruise missiles.


Since then, India has dabbled with nonstarters, like ‘cold start’ doctrine. The idea was to catch Pakistan off-guard by sending a comparatively smaller but highly mobile force across the border at a moment’s notice. It was a nonstarter because of Pakistani equalizer (its nukes); plus the Indians realized they would still have to deploy a considerable amount of logistics and men at the front positions, where they would have remained juicy sitting-ducks for the preemptive PAF air strikes.


The other reason India cannot afford a war with Pakistan is, its economy is too young and still too small to survive through a round of war. Regardless, the havoc it will run on the already distressed Pakistani economy, the war will for sure spell an end to the largely service-based Indian economy, which depends on the foreign investments; and the foreign investments inherently depend on peace driven stability.


A brief look will abundantly expose the facade of the Indian economy; which will collapse at the first signs of uncertainty or instability. In 2008, its external debts balooned to around $221 billion. In 2007, Indian exports stood around $145 billion, while imports were around $217 billion; a deficit of $72 billion in a single year.

As ugly as it may sound, but that’s what wars are, brutal and ugly. Imagine: far short of nuclear strike, only a couple of bombs or Shaheen-II (with an accuracy of 200m) armed with conventional warheads are dropped on the outskirts of Bangalore. Will even a single foreign company think twice before closing their operations for good? Would they stay around to see if they will get lucky through the second round too?


Feel-good slogans like ‘shining India’ don’t help the arrogance clouding the good judgment of war-mongering Indians. They can try to start a war on their terms, but it will definitely not end at their terms. Unless India has somehow overcome their fear of far-superior Pakistani nuclear arsenal, or they have found a way to move whole India under kilometer deep nuke-proof shelters, it will not dare to start a war.
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This thread seems to another Obsessive Compulsive Mental Masturbatory Exercise (OCMME), knowing that Pakistan is far ahead of India in Nuclear and Missile t..........to move whole India under kilometer deep nuke-proof shelters, it will not dare to start a war.
SDA ! Brilliant article ! Kudos ! You are a creative writer.

No insults, no putting downs - plain simple logic.

Equinox, Eros , Lungi Ram ? Please reply to this post in a sensible way ! Keep Ego aside and think !
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BuzZzard wrote:
Outnumbering Pakistani Armored division and almost meeting no resistance from Pakistani side except long range artillery shelling, Indian ground forces are deep 25 in to the Pakistani territory bulldozing their way through to deeper insides of Pakistan - Almost districts and towns of Mirpur Khas, Nawabshah, Larkana, Shikarpur, Rahimyar Khan, Bahawalpur, Sahiwal, Okara, Sargodha, Sialkot are in the range and Indians have had very minimal casualties.
"Integrated HQ of Ministry of Defence" in South Block, New Delhi is feeling jubilant with this unprecedented success and senior army brass is cheering with the devastating punch Indian forces had delivered deep in to the belly of the enemy. General Deepak Kapoor is looking worried - he is checking with the Forward Tank Commanders personally time to time and his worries are deepening. Causing casualties on the Pakistani side and meeting almost no resistance, Indian forces are now 4 Kms from Lahore and a series of flashes occur on the Pakistani side of the border which were surely nuclear ......
Fast forward 24 hours later. 250000 Indian forces have died in the nuclear attack that Pakistan launched with its own borders.
About an hour and half later, Pakistan launches preemptive massive barrage attack of its Nuclear armed missiles on New Delhi ( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields ), Mumbai,( 5 bombs of 15 and 20 Kilo Ton yields) Ahmedabad (3 ), Pune (3), Chandigarh (2), Amritsar (3), Bangalore (3).
The Government in New Delhi had assembled in Parliament for emergency session when a Nuke fell directly on Raisina Hills wiping off the the Parliament building, South Block, North Block and the entire unit of the Presidents house.
India is left with no Government or Army top brass or any militia that can muster up the strength and hit back at Pakistan.
With all luck shining on India, India hits back from its nuclear bases in Andaman Nicobar and sends in 100 missiles on Pakistan carrying nukes and blows Pakistan in to oblivion.
Game Over !
Lets assess -
Do you want what is left of India ?
Is this the outcome you imagined ?
What other ways will you command your forces to overpower Pakistan without causing any damage to your own country? Please advise.
journalism....press...media... blah blah blah!!

lets kill all those violent intolerant muslim swine ...now now now

now dammmit now

pakis just dont have it in them to use nukes

they just dont

just roll in man roll into lahore

pakis will never ever use nukes within pak

if they use it...it ends up killing their own mussallas

and 250,000 dead indian troops for 150 million dead pakis is a good deal.

...also 100 million dead muslims in india

...indian nukes will hit

1)islamabad....6 million dead and cremated muslims

2)rawalpindi...6 million dead and cremated muslims

3)lahore....10 million dead and cremated muslims

4)karachi....12 million dead and cremated muslims

5)peshawar...8 million dead and cremated muslims

6)jhang....3 million dead and cremated muslims

7)gujranwala....3 million dead and cremated muslims

8)sialkot....3 million dead and cremated muslims

9)attock....2 million dead and cremated muslims

10)swat....2 million dead and cremated muslims

11)rahimyaar khan....4 million dead and vaporised muslims

12)bahawalpur....3 million dead and vaporised muslims

13)mingora,quetta, dadu, thatta,shikarpur,multan, minawali, gwadar,faisalabad,....and surrounding villages and towns...another 25 million dead and vaporised muslims

lets do it

kill these useless brain dead vermin muslims
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its only the pro islamic media howling out that "pakis are far ahead of india ...blah blah blah"

media,journalism,,,...and other rubbish

indian generala rarely talk

paki generals shoot their mouths off..all the time

typical islamists...all sound and no delivery
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let nukes rain

it WILL spell the DEATH of these fecund useless muslims

we are ready for all collateral damage
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second wave of nuke attacks will wipe out the rest of pakistan

not ONE muslim will be left alive there

YES this is what we want
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IF and IF the pakis are so superior to India...

then i say it is not at all visible at tactical levels...

pakis should have armtwisted india over kashmir by now...AND today inbian leadership would have made a statement that "kashmir will be given autonomy..."

BUT it has not happened...therefore all these are cooked up stories that "pak is superior.. "

BECAUSE of its inherent inferiority....pakis indulge in terrorism ...killing soft targets...typical of islamic warfare
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SDA wrote:
This thread seems to another Obsessive Compulsive Mental Masturbatory Exercise (OCMME), knowing that Pakistan is far ahead of India in Nuclear and Missile technologies and its Armed forces are battle hardened.
The following facts are submitted to help war mongering Indians to come out of their delusional state of mind and join hands with Pakistan in fighting a common enemy of both nations (fanatic Muslims and Hindus) on both sides of the border.
Despite the ferocious appearance of the Indian military, largely on paper; the fact remains, over 80% of its obsolete hardware is a carryover from the Soviet-era. Indian handicap of obsolete hardware was highlighted during the 2002 India-Pakistan standoff. It was a humiliating experience for the Indians. Operation Parakram cost India about $2 billion in cash and 798 in human cost, and that too without a single shot fired from the Pakistani side.
It was also a disastrous Indian deployment, because even after one year of hostile posturing, they could not cross the border, fearing an all out war ending in a nuclear exchange. That is when India truly lost its supposed conventional superiority over Pakistan. The humiliating pull back effectively closed the doors on India for any future conventional war endeavors; because Pakistani nuclear arsenal was here to stay. During the same time Pakistanis were modernizing its arsenal through the rapid induction of modern weaponry like JF-17 fighters and precision weapons like the Hatf-8 cruise missiles.
Since then, India has dabbled with nonstarters, like ‘cold start’ doctrine. The idea was to catch Pakistan off-guard by sending a comparatively smaller but highly mobile force across the border at a moment’s notice. It was a nonstarter because of Pakistani equalizer (its nukes); plus the Indians realized they would still have to deploy a considerable amount of logistics and men at the front positions, where they would have remained juicy sitting-ducks for the preemptive PAF air strikes.
The other reason India cannot afford a war with Pakistan is, its economy is too young and still too small to survive through a round of war. Regardless, the havoc it will run on the already distressed Pakistani economy, the war will for sure spell an end to the largely service-based Indian economy, which depends on the foreign investments; ......ugly as it may sound, but that’s what wars are, brutal and ugly. Imagine: far short of nuclear strike, only a couple of bombs or Shaheen-II (with an accuracy of 200m) armed with conventional warheads are dropped on the outskirts of Bangalore. Will even a single foreign company think twice before closing their operations for good? Would they stay around to see if they will get lucky through the second round too?
Feel-good slogans like ‘shining India’ don’t help the arrogance clouding the good judgment of war-mongering Indians. They can try to start a war on their terms, but it will definitely not end at their terms. Unless India has somehow overcome their fear of far-superior Pakistani nuclear arsenal, or they have found a way to move whole India under kilometer deep nuke-proof shelters, it will not dare to start a war.
utter rubbish
paki forces have not proved it at ground level ...
kargil was tried to be taken away from india by stealth....failed
siachen was tried to be taken away from india by stealth...failed
if paki forces are so superior..Prove it by attacking indian forces upfront and take kashmir..
..AND stop all killing of innocent women and children thru al qaeda, taliban, jamaat ul ulema , ISI, paki government...
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...its WHEN pakistan fails

not IF pakistan fails

the base fault is with islam and pakistan

NOT with india

.....again

this battle and war is not about india and pakistan

its ISLAM v/s NON MUSLIMS

....we HAVE to be more cruel and vicious than the howling paki muslim terrorists....or else we r finished

KILL their innocents in FRONT of them the way muslim terrorists kill innocents ...and have been killing for the last 1400 years

there is NO middle path...war it HAS to be

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