Why does Ved support Polygamy?:Durgesh

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Hassan says:
Qur'an doesn't support polygomy like we see in Vedas and life of many Hindu deities.

Islam strictly says that 'marry one if you can not do justice' between your wives and at the end it says you can never show equal justice to your wives.

Islam allowed polygomy only with conditions.
It is a solution to the current world problems.'

Ridiculous!
Who are creating the danger of end of humankind itself, by exercising continuous TERRORISM EVERWHERE, are suggesting solution to the problems too.
Anyway, he rejects the claim that terrorists are Muslims.
So, his views must be taken seriously.

'Men die more than women in the world....by wars..alcohol...smoking..and male infants die more than female infants..all these things result in women outnumber men in the world.

There are two options left for unmarried women if the scenario is saturated for finding a man.
Either marry a man who already has a wife or become a public object for sex as sex is an essential biological need for every human being after maturity.
So only Islam has a practical solution for this.
But western people insult Muslims for this but a survey says a western man have sexual relation with 8 women before he or she finally stlled down with one but after marriage also they keep several mistresses secretly....
Islam doesn't encourage such practices but ask Muslims to marry by their choice and if it is not enough, marry more..but there should be a proper reason for that.
But unfortunately many people misuse it.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

He is seeing the problem only with sex angle.
And if ONLY sex is important in human life, his stand is quite correct.
It is also correct that:
'If you fear that you might not treat the orphans justly, then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four.*4 If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one,*5 or marry from among those whom your right hands possess.*6 This will make it more likely that you will avoid injustice.'
-Al Qur'n Al Kareem: 4 Sooratunnisa: 3
Maulana Saiyad Abul Aala Maududi, rahamatullah alaihi, writes:
'*4. Commentators have explained this in the following ways:
(i) There is the view of 'A'ishah who says that men tended to marry orphan girls who were under their guardianship out of consideration for either their property, beauty or because they thought they would be able to treat them according to their whims, as they had no one to protect them. After marriage such men sometimes committed excesses against these girls. It is in this context that the Muslims are told that if they fear they will not be able to do justice to the orphan girls, then they should marry other girls whom they like.(This interpretation seems to be supported by verse 127 of this surah.)
(ii) The second view is that of Ibn 'Abbas and his disciple 'Ikrimah who expressed the opinion that in the Jahiliyah period there was no limit on the number of wives a man could take. The result was that a man sometimes married as many as ten women and, when expenses increased because of a large family, he encroached on the rights either of his orphan nephews or other relatives. It was in this context that God fixed the limit of four wives and instructed the Muslims that they may marry up to four wives providing they possessed the capacity to treat them equitably.
(iii) Sa'id b. Jubayr, Qatadah and some other commentators say that while the Arabs of the Jahiliyah period did not approve of subjecting orphans to wrong, they had no concept of justice and equity with regard to women. They married as many women as they wanted and then subjected them to injustice and oppression. It is in this context that people are told that if they fear perpetrating wrongs on orphans they ought to be equally worried about perpetrating them on women. In the first place they should never marry more than four, and of those four, they should marry only as many as they can treat fairly.
Each of the three interpretations is plausible and all three may possibly be correct. Moreover, the verse could also mean that if a person does not find himself able to treat orphans in a fair manner, then he might as well marry the women who are looking after those orphans.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

*5. Muslim jurists are agreed that according to this verse the maximum number Of wives has been fixed at four. This conclusion is also supported by traditions. It is reported that when Ghaylan, the chief of Ta'if, embraced Islam he had nine wives. The Prophet (peace be on him) ordered him to keep only four wives and divorce the rest. Another person, Nawfal b. Mu'awiyah, had five wives. The Prophet (peace be on him) ordered him to divorce one of them.(For the relevant traditions see the comments of Ibn Kathir and Qurtubi on this verse - Ed.)
This verse stipulates that marrying more wives than one is permissible on the condition that one treats his wives equitably. A person who avails himself of this permission granted by God to have a plurality of wives, and disregards the condition laid down by God to treat them equitably has not acted in good faith with God. In case there are complaints from wives that they are not being treated equitably, the Islamic state has the right to intervene and redress such grievances.
Some people who have been overwhelmed and overawed by the Christianized outlook of Westerners have tried to prove that the real aim of the Qur'an was to put an end to polygamy (which, in their opinion, is intrinsically evil). Since it was widely practised at that time, however, Islam confined itself to placing restrictions on it. Such arguments only show the mental slavery to which these people have succumbed. That polygamy is an evil per se is an unacceptable proposition, for under certain conditions it becomes a moral and social necessity. If polygamy is totally prohibited men who cannot remain satisfied with only one wife will look outside the bounds of matrimonial life and create sexual anarchy and corruption. This is likely to cause much greater harm than polygamy to the moral and social order. For this reason the Qur'an has allowed those who feel the need for it to resort to polygamy. Those who consider it an evil in itself may certainly denounce it in disregard of the Qur'an and may even argue for its abolition. But they have no right to attribute such a view to the Qur'an, for it has expressed its permission of polygamy in quite categorical terms. Indeed, there is not the slightest hint in the Qur'an that could justify the conclusion that it advocates abolition of polygamy.(For further elaboration see my book, Sunnat k A'iniHaythiyat, Lahore, 3rd edition, 1975, pp. 307-16.)
*6. This expression denotes 'slave-girls', i.e. female captives of war who are distributed by the state among individuals. The purpose of this verse is to tell men that if their financial circumstances do not permit them to support a free woman as their wife then they may marry a slave-girl (see verse 25 below); if they consider it necessary to have more than one wife and it would be difficult for them to treat their free wives equitably they may resort to slave-girls, for here the burden of obligations is lighter by comparison.(For further injunctions regarding slave-girls seen. 44 below.)'
-Towards understanding the Qur'an:
4Sooratunnisa: 3

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Ved presents far more wider view.
It says that men and women are not created for sex.
They are created for
'Kr'nvanto vishvmaaryam''Make all better'
-Ved: 1 R'g Ved: 9/63/5
'Dharmsantaanam''To spread Dharm properly.'
-Lord Ram:Aarsh Ramayan: 4 Kishkindhakand: Sarg 12/9

'Dharmsansthaapnaarthaay'
'To establish Dharm'
-Lord Kr'shn: Shrimad Bhagvad Geeta: 4/8

[Hassan]

The biggest terrorists in the world at present are Hindus...when you make an appraisal about Gujarat and Orisaa riots in which Hindu zealots burnt human beings and raped even small children.
The base for their justification for the crimes agianst minorities in India is from Geetha itself in which Baghwan Krishna persuade Arjuna to fight his cousins to have heaven if he died of kingdom if he won the battle.So Hindu extreimists/terrorists instigate these poor Hindus that theyw ill get heaven or kingdom if they fight agianst evil which in their term are Christians and Muslims.

Now hold on your holes and save Hinduism from the Hindutva criminals...

[Singh is King]

Yes . Right hindus are real terrorists

but, why are muslims being abused in international forums?

They say all sorts of things about mohamad.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Hassan wrote:

The biggest terrorists in the world at present are Hindus...when you make an appraisal about Gujarat and Orisaa riots in which Hindu zealots burnt human beings and raped even small children.
The base for their justification for the crimes agianst minorities in India is from Geetha itself in which Baghwan Krishna persuade Arjuna to fight his cousins to have heaven if he died of kingdom if he won the battle.So Hindu extreimists/terrorists instigate these poor Hindus that theyw ill get heaven or kingdom if they fight agianst evil which in their term are Christians and Muslims.
Now hold on your holes and save Hinduism from the Hindutva criminals...

We are not talking about terrorism now, we are talking about POLYGAMY.
Please, don't try to change the subject matter of discussion.
Moreover, we are not talking of PRACTICES.
We are talking of PRINCIPLES.
Practices are not religion.
They change person to person and from time to time too.
Principles are religion.
Ved and Qur'an, both, do not change EVER.
'Adabdhaani varunasy' vrataani'
'The laws of the Chosen One are inviolable.'
-Ved: 1 R'g Ved: 1/24/10

'Devasy' pashy' Kaavyam n' mamaar, n' jeeryati'
'See the wisdom of God: neither died nor grew old.'
-Ved: 4 Atharv Ved: 10/8/32

'Laa tabdeel likalmaatillaahi’.
'The words of Allah shall not change.'
-Al Qur'an Al Majeed: 10 Yunus| 64.

'Va lan tajid lisunnatillaahi tabdeelan.’
'Never shall you find any change in the Way of Allah.'
-Al Qur'an Al Majeed: 48 Al Fataħ | 23.

[Ajit]

Hassan, how many wives did Mohammed have?

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Ajit wrote:

Hassan, how many wives did Mohammed have?

He can't answer.
But, you are right.
Keep asking.
He is a better person in their lot.
But his stand is not correct.
He has disturbed me quite.
I think, I have to complete the rest of the matter, in my next sitting.
Enjoy friend

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Hassan says:
'Men die more than women in the world....by wars..alcohol...smoking..and male infants die more than female infants..all these things result in women outnumber men in the world.'

Quite right.
Wars, alcohol,smoking, male infants die more than female infants; all these four reasons are already almost cured in Hindu way/system of life.
We can't negate even the farthest possibility of all these four reasons, of course; but in general, all of these are quite taken care of in
Hindu way/system of life.
That's why it is the oldest way/system of life, the humankind has.
Wars are not honored ever in Hindu way/system of life.
So, once married to a Hindu, no woman has to suffer from fear of widohood due to this reason.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Islam can't say it.
It's history is full of wars and wars only.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

It is not that Hinduism does not preach it.
Ved itself orders:
'Ete asr'gramaashavo'ti hvaraansi babhravah,
soma r'tasy' dhaarayaa.
indram vardhanto apturah KR'NVANTO VISHVAMAARYAM,
apaghnanto araavnah'

‘These Swift flowing tawny colored Som, with a stream of eternal truth, let loose/proceed, augmenting Indr, urging the utmost beautiful young girls and ladies, MAKING ALL BETTER, destroying the withholders.'
―Ved 1R| 9 | 63 | 4-5.

Ved also orders, if there come withholders in the process of 'KR'NVANTO VISHVAMAARYAM''MAKING ALL BETTER', in the way, destroy them:
'apaghnanto araavnah'
'destroying the withholders',
but Hindus were never so war obsessed, as Muslims are found in the entire history of humankind.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Hinduism right ab initio, hates wars.
Even the very fourth Mantr of Ved clarifies in the subject:

[Durgesh jabalpur]

'Agne! yam yagyamadhvaram vishvatah paribhoorasi,
s' iddeveshu gachchhati.'
'O one who leads to light! thou art from all sides protector of the violence-less best work, ONLY THAT goes in divine ones.'
-Ved: 1 R'g Ved: 1/1/4

'VIOLENCE LESS BEST WORK' YAGYAMDHVARAM' means: a work is NOT BEST if there's violence in it.
'Yagyo vai shreshthtamam karm.'
'Yagy' is the BEST WORK.'
-Shatpath Brahman: 1/7/1/5

'Yagyo hi shreshthtamam karm.'
'ONLY BEST WORK is yagy'.
-Taittireey' Brahmanam: 3/2/1/4

[Tinu Jatin Patel]

First of all, all of the worlds religions except Christianity permit or allow multiple wives.
Many people are illiterate and thus do not read their scriptures properly. In the case of men of the bible, did keep extra wives but against the law of leviticus. Keep in mind that Leviticus provides solutions to problems with men with mutiple wives. Notice it always says " IF" a man choose another women or "If" a man has sex with more than one wife. The word "IF" implies it is the choice of man to go against God's wishes.
Allah of course allows a man to have more than one wife but warns that he will never be successful in keeping them all equal. Thus what a contradiction that is to the law!!!

Durgesh jabalpur wrote:

Hassan says:
Qur'an doesn't support polygomy like we see in Vedas and life of many Hindu deities.
Islam strictly says that 'marry one if you can not do justice' between your wives and at the end it says you can never show equal justice to your wives.
Islam allowed polygomy only with conditions.
It is a solution to the current world problems.'
Ridiculous!
Who are creating the danger of end of humankind itself, by exercising continuous TERRORISM EVERWHERE, are suggesting solution to the problems too.
Anyway, he rejects the claim that terrorists are Muslims.
So, his views must be taken seriously.
'Men die more than women in the world....by wars..alcohol...smoking..and male infants die more than female infants..all these things result in women outnumber men in the world.
There are two options left for unmarried women if the scenario is saturated for finding a man.
Either marry a man who already has a wife or become a public object for sex as sex is an essential biological need for every human being after maturity.
So only Islam has a practical solution for this.
But western people insult Muslims for this but a survey says a western man have sexual relation with 8 women before he or she finally stlled down with one but after marriage also they keep several mistresses secretly....
Islam doesn't encourage such practices but ask Muslims to marry by their choice and if it is not enough, marry more..but there should be a proper reason for that.
But unfortunately many people misuse it.

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Tinu Jatin Patel wrote:

First of all, all of the worlds religions except Christianity permit or allow multiple wives.
Many people are illiterate and thus do not read their scriptures properly. In the case of men of the bible, did keep extra wives but against the law of leviticus. Keep in mind that Leviticus provides solutions to problems with men with mutiple wives. Notice it always says " IF" a man choose another women or "If" a man has sex with more than one wife. The word "IF" implies it is the choice of man to go against God's wishes.
Allah of course allows a man to have more than one wife but warns that he will never be successful in keeping them all equal. Thus what a contradiction that is to the law!!!
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I think, the best person to answer it, is Hassan.
Thanks for response.

[Hassan]

Ajit wrote:

Hassan, how many wives did Mohammed have?

11.

[Hassan]

Durgesh jabalpur wrote:

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He can't answer.
But, you are right.
Keep asking.
He is a better person in their lot.
But his stand is not correct.
He has disturbed me quite.
I think, I have to complete the rest of the matter, in my next sitting.
Enjoy friend

You are ofcourse a long long *8hole..i dont have to hide anything about him when you can get any informations of his life on tip of your fingers....what kind of idiot you could be to say 'keep asking' as you dont know about what i have to say?.

[Hassan]

Tinu Jatin Patel wrote:

First of all, all of the worlds religions except Christianity permit or allow multiple wives.
Many people are illiterate and thus do not read their scriptures properly. In the case of men of the bible, did keep extra wives but against the law of leviticus. Keep in mind that Leviticus provides solutions to problems with men with mutiple wives. Notice it always says " IF" a man choose another women or "If" a man has sex with more than one wife. The word "IF" implies it is the choice of man to go against God's wishes.
Allah of course allows a man to have more than one wife but warns that he will never be successful in keeping them all equal. Thus what a contradiction that is to the law!!!
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Ofcourse Allah(swt) said that nobody can do 100% equal justice to their wives which i think is also with love.

A person can buy same ornaments, build same houses...present same vehicles for his wives but he will never be able to love them in equal proprtion as true love happens to only once in life with one person.In this case, it can be seen as an injustice to the other wives of the person.

I dont know how you will equate this logic with what i have posted above.

Islam does encourage man to marry more if there is any situation where he has to find another woman.

Please listen to what i am explaining here...

Suppose if someone's wife is sick or disabled and not able to satisfy him, what the option left for the man?...
either abandone her or keep her and marry another.

The former option i say would be cruel as she will not be able to get another man nor any support from others.So in this case Islam says protect the woman who is sick or disabled and marry another.

If this happens to a man, Islam allows her to divorce him and marry another if she is willing to.

Is it barbaric?

What will be the solution you have in your rfeligion if such social problems are occured?

[Durgesh jabalpur]

Hassan wrote:

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You are ofcourse a long long *8hole..i dont have to hide anything about him when you can get any informations of his life on tip of your fingers....what kind of idiot you could be to say 'keep asking' as you dont know about what i have to say?.

The idiot is frustrated and angry consequently.
Lacking manners heavily due to his faulty upbringing.