“lol”

Since: Sep 07

Miami

#25 Apr 11, 2008
^^^^^^^^^^
So Islam is just a branch of Sanatan Dharma you mean? Then quit the trouble, declare India as your motherland, sing Vandemataram and be happy. I mean, if you honor so many slokas of Hindu scriptures, surely you also honor the rest.
tayyab manzoor

Sargodha, Pakistan

#26 Apr 11, 2008
baad indyan wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^
So Islam is just a branch of Sanatan Dharma you mean? Then quit the trouble, declare India as your motherland, sing Vandemataram and be happy. I mean, if you honor so many slokas of Hindu scriptures, surely you also honor the rest.
your points are that if i quote your books,i have to follow the rest of it,what i believe that if saying any message to any group of people i must talk the things in which they beleive,so thats why i honor them,because according to quran "O People of the Scripture! Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him)." (Aal 'Imran 3:64)
so what i do, i take some common points & yhan describe them according to ur books,as far as Vandemataram is concerned,it is against islam as well as hinduism,because it describes that we bow in front of any thing beside God,so it is very clear.i declare india as my land also because i do not beleive in nationalism,infact all the world is like our own land because it's God's.Having being a pakistani national does not mean i throw away my identity(muslim),because God's order come first & any thing second,infact those muslim who died for any muslim country they died for their country they r not martyd,because every act u do will link to God, as far as Sanatan Dharma Quran clearky describe"Every age has its warner (Surah 35:33)
so may be the santam dharma should be a form of islam...islam is here since the time when man sat foot on the earth for the first time,the law keeps on changing as the time goes on but the true message is same,"God is one".now that there is no messenger or rishi come according to islam & santam dharma so the law will be same till the day of judgement,so u have to follow it,the choice is your's......as jesus(pbuh)said in gospel of john 14:6"When we seek for truth, we will find it"

“Fear is your Only God!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Mumbai, India

#27 Apr 12, 2008
sh1t, this guy talks... and i thought he only posted bullsh1t quotes...
HINDU KA BAAP MUSLIM

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#28 Apr 19, 2008
allah is bastard wrote:
<quoted text>TERE ALLAH KI MAA KO MAINNE CHODA THA TAB WO JAAKAR PAIDA HUA THA. AGAIN, ISLAM IS THE ONLY FALSE RELIGION ON EARTH. SEVERAL HINDUS COMPETETED ZAKIR IN DEBATE AND FUCKED HIS MOM OUTRIGHT. ALLAH MADARCHOD, PROPHET MADARCHOD, NABI KI MAAKI CHUT MEIN MERA LUND!!!!!!!
You Pepoles are scared by Islam and talking like rubish, just ask to your parrents from where you peoples are comming from? from Muslims, MUSLIM RAJAOUN KI AYASHI KA NATIJA HO TUM HINDUS,AUR AAJ TUM KO MALOOM PADGAYA KE TUM MUSALMANOUN KI NAJAYEZ PAIDAISH HO IS LIYE TUM LOG GUSSE MEN BAHIBHIT HOGAYE HO JAO MERE NAJAYEZ BACHO TUMHARI MAA SE KEHNA KE AGAR KE AB TUMHARI MAA KO CHODNE ARAHE HAIN MUSLIM
kamdev

Mauritius

#29 Apr 19, 2008
Arshad Pune India wrote:
You guys who all are abusing islaam just because you dont want to accept truth. Just surf and check for your knowledge that how people of different communities accorss the world are accepting Islaam after knowing the truth. Have you heard even once somebody converted to Hindu?.As Tayyab explained it from your religious books but still you are not able to accept the truth.Its very easy to abuse anybody's religion just by typing bad words here, but hard to accept or really try to search the truth which you people will not anyways do.The person who said he is Indian and superior to muslims, i regret on his knowledge
that Indains are Muslim too.
Lets do not downcast each other religions, this way we are just showing our stupidity.
One person has used the worst words for ISLAAM, but mind i can add more worst expressions about your religion, but my religion do not allow me to do so. you can have your faith, i will have mine. Lets not make this discussion to be seen and laugh by other religious people.
Yes, no one is turning into a Hindu because it is not an artificial religion like Islam which encourages forced conversions and is based on hatred, intolerance and jealousy for other superior cultures.

“Fear is your Only God!!!”

Since: Mar 08

Thane, India

#30 Apr 19, 2008
^^^
i was proved my scientists that hindus were in fact "BAAPS OF MUSLIMS"

peace

“Maths Guru Srinivasa Ramanujan”

Since: Jul 07

New Delhi

#31 Apr 19, 2008
HINDU KA BAAP MUSLIM wrote:
You Pepoles are scared by Islam and talking like rubish, just ask to your parrents from where you peoples are comming from? from Muslims, MUSLIM RAJAOUN KI AYASHI KA NATIJA HO TUM HINDUS,AUR AAJ TUM KO MALOOM PADGAYA KE TUM MUSALMANOUN KI NAJAYEZ PAIDAISH HO IS LIYE TUM LOG GUSSE MEN BAHIBHIT HOGAYE HO JAO MERE NAJAYEZ BACHO TUMHARI MAA SE KEHNA KE AGAR KE AB TUMHARI MAA KO CHODNE ARAHE HAIN MUSLIM
At the moment, get f*cked by the Americans. You are describing yourself. You are either converted by force or progeny of those unfortunate hindu women who were violated by muslims. We sympathise with you.

Since: Mar 08

India

#32 Apr 20, 2008
tayyab manzoor, you dont know a thing about vedas. There are different meaning for one word. Its not like english. Sun can be said as ravi, surya, tejasvi, etc.,

there are 1000 names just for a sun.. do you how much advanced sanskrit and its grammar is?

and you bring some quote here and pretend to know something..

I will say this loud and clear.

1) There is no mention of mohammed in vedas.

2) THere is no mention of allah in vedas.

3) We hindu's dont believe in killing people of different religions.. just because they cant accept ours.

4) To be frank to you, hinduism is the greatest religion of all. Even better than buddhism.

5) Even though you write some quotes here, which says god is ONE. We know that. Again i tell you that what we pray to are avatars of that god. We worship idols because GOD can take a form of IDOL, human, animal (cow, etc.,) and thats the reason we pray to them. A single brahmin has more faith in god than your muslims population combined. Your religion sucks tayyab. You are going to hell. You just see your own religion. you are taking about vedas which are so complex that you muslim population cant even learn a word from it. You are kafirs to hinduism. Just see your religion.. about 21 virgins waiting in heaven... LOL!!!!!!

muhammed who is a MILF hunter, pedophile, camel f*cker. Quaran is more of an incest story than a relevation.

I mean are you muslims SO f@cking dumb to follow a MILF hunter, pedophile, who loves beastality and wants to drink camel piss??

“Maths Guru Srinivasa Ramanujan”

Since: Jul 07

New Delhi

#33 Apr 20, 2008
tayyab manzoor wrote:
"When we seek for truth, we will find it"
That is not always true. The Abrahamic religions find God where there is none. And then become son and messenger of God. The hindus find something beyond the idea of God/s. They discard the duality of man and Gods, man and animals, living and non-living; and find the energy that constitutes the whole universe, Brahman. As one 3,000 year old verse says:

Who knows truly? Who here will declare whence it arose?
Whence this creation? The gods are subsequent to the creation of this.
Who, then, knows whence it has come into being?

Whence this creation has come into being? Whether it was made or not?
He in the highest heaven is its surveyor, surely He knows.
Or perhaps he knows not?
(Nasadiya Sukta, RigVeda 10.129)

What one finds depends on the intelligence of the finder. The people in middle-east are not known for that. Pahle bhi jahil the, aaj bhi jahil hain.
Sikh Soldier of India

Norway

#34 Apr 20, 2008
Aur jahil hi rahenge hamesha
tayyab manzoor

Sargodha, Pakistan

#35 Apr 21, 2008
i know that you all are so "enlightened" that you can't accept ur own books,the reference which i gave take them to any scholar of hinduism even arya samaaj,they also said the same as i told u.

“lol”

Since: Sep 07

Miami

#36 Apr 21, 2008
tayyab manzoor wrote:
i know that you all are so "enlightened" that you can't accept ur own books,the reference which i gave take them to any scholar of hinduism even arya samaaj,they also said the same as i told u.
Tayyab miyan, Hindus are an evolutionary people. We define Hinduism, the "religion" does not define us. Hence our survival for this long. Our elites and intelligentsia are practical people. We may violate our scriptures and even live contradictorily, because we are not insecure about our identities.
Hence, thanks for the compliment of being "enlightened", we do try our best. India has had an ancient culture of rishis and sadhus, people who seek their own path in life. Concepts of "heresy", "blasphemy" etc are entirely Semitic concepts.

Islam is like the rabbit, and Hindus are like the tortoise. You are running fast and fast and getting increasingly militant in your steadfast defense of your obsolete ways. Unfortunately, you have set up Islam in such a way that it is non-evolutionary. Islam remains as defined by the Koran, while Hindus are Hindus no matter if we follow the Vedas or Upanishads or Manu Smriti or not (each of these scriptures have contradictory philosophies, hence reflective of previous changes in history in outlook).
Your Islam is only a progressive religion in the context of pre-Islamic Arabia, a barbaric state of matters which hasn't been in India or other civilized places for centuries before Islam. Your Islam can be considered an "upliftment" for women only in the context where men marry 20 women.....it is only in that scenario that Islam is revolutionary and "liberal" in "restricting" men to 4 wives. Hence your fundamentalists are busy trying to recreate the world where Islam is non-obsolete.

However, we are waayyyyyy past that. We are ten years away from creating life ourselves, we have two spacecraft that have reached outside the Solar System, I mean, progress is skyrocketting.

“Maths Guru Srinivasa Ramanujan”

Since: Jul 07

New Delhi

#37 Apr 22, 2008
Tayyab Miyan, you have selected wrong sources. Skanda Purana, Bhavishya Purana, and Manu Smriti are three books in hnduism (no doubt very old) but which have the most interpolations. This is what Wikipedia says about the three:

Skanda (81,100 verses): Probably the longest of all, containing parables, legends and stories, with multiple versions and recensions. Many untraced quotes from a Purana are conveniently attributed to this Purana.

Pratisargaparvan, Bhavishya Purana: Hazra has the following to say regarding the Pratisargaparvan:

The Pratisargaparvan, though nominally mentioned in the Bhavishya (I.1.2-3), is practically a new work containing stories about Adam, Noah, Y&#257;kuta, Taimurlong, Nadir Shah, Akbar (the emperor of Delhi), Jayacandra, and many others. It even knows the British rule in India and names Calcutta and the Parliament.

A. K. Ramanujan mentions finding references to Christ, Moses, and Queen Victoria in the "appropriately up-to-date Bhavishya Pur&#257;na" and cites this as an example of the fact that:

"In spite of repeated efforts to impose schemes and canons on them from time to time, Pur&#257;nas are open systems."

Thus, Muhammad is mentioned, as Mah&#257;mada, in III.3.3.5-27. The passage is aware of Muhammad's Arabian origin, and portrays him as a dharmad&#363;shaka ("polluter of righteousness"), a preceptor of pai&#347;&#257;cadharm a ("ghoulish religion"), and a reincarnation of Tripur&#257;sura, a demon whom Lord Shiva will destroy again.

Manu Smriti: It is also known as the Laws of Manu. It is one of the nineteen Dharmasastras, which are part of the Smriti literature (Twenty if you count the latest, Vishweshwarasmriti, which has been written by my grandfather).

The Manu Smriti was one of the first Sanskrit texts studied by the British. It was first translated into English by the founder of indology, Sir William Jones. His version was published in 1794. British administrative requirements encouraged their interest in the Dharmashastras, which they believed to be legal codes. In fact, these were not codes of law but norms related to social obligations and ritual requirements. According to Avari:

The text was never universally followed or acclaimed by the vast majority of Indians in their history; it came to the world's attention through a late eighteenth-century translation by Sir William Jones, who mistakenly exaggerated both its antiquity and its importance. Today many of its ideas are popularised as the golden norm of classical Hindu law by Hindu universalists. They are, however, anathema to modern thinkers and particularly feminists.

Of course, as a muslims, you are not expected to know this. And Zakir Nayak is not a genuine scholar to worry about that. He is a lowly muslim who fools the others with his manufactured scholarship and you think that you have scored points.

Even if something is written in the books, as Baad Indyan said, a hindu is not obliged to follow it. He/She has a right to think about it and make his/her own views about it. Hinduism is not dogmatic like islam or christianity. I agree that with your slave mentality, you will find this very strange to accept. Regards.

“Maths Guru Srinivasa Ramanujan”

Since: Jul 07

New Delhi

#38 Apr 22, 2008
Tayyab Miyan, you have selected wrong sources. Skanda Purana, Bhavishya Purana, and Manu Smriti are three books in hnduism (no doubt very old) but which have the most interpolations. This is what Wikipedia says about the three:

Skanda (81,100 verses): Probably the longest of all, containing parables, legends and stories, with multiple versions and recensions. Many untraced quotes from a Purana are conveniently attributed to this Purana.
Pratisargaparvan, Bhavishya Purana: Hazra has the following to say regarding the Pratisargaparvan:

The Pratisargaparvan, though nominally mentioned in the Bhavishya (I.1.2-3), is practically a new work containing stories about Adam, Noah, Yakuta, Taimurlong, Nadir Shah, Akbar (the emperor of Delhi), Jayacandra, and many others. It even knows the British rule in India and names Calcutta and the Parliament.

A. K. Ramanujan mentions finding references to Christ, Moses, and Queen Victoria in the "appropriately up-to-date Bhavishya Purana" and cites this as an example of the fact that:

"In spite of repeated efforts to impose schemes and canons on them from time to time, Puranas are open systems."

Thus, Muhammad is mentioned, as Mahamada, in III.3.3.5-27. The passage is aware of Muhammad's Arabian origin, and portrays him as a dharmadushaka ("polluter of righteousness"), a preceptor of paisacha dharma ("ghoulish religion"), and a reincarnation of Tripurasura, a demon whom Lord Shiva will destroy again.

Manu Smriti: It is also known as the Laws of Manu. It is one of the nineteen Dharmasastras, which are part of the Smriti literature (Twenty if you count the latest, Vishweshwarasmriti, which has been written by my grandfather).

The Manu Smriti was one of the first Sanskrit texts studied by the British. It was first translated into English by the founder of indology, Sir William Jones. His version was published in 1794. British administrative requirements encouraged their interest in the Dharmashastras, which they believed to be legal codes. In fact, these were not codes of law but norms related to social obligations and ritual requirements.

According to Avari: The text was never universally followed or acclaimed by the vast majority of Indians in their history; it came to the world's attention through a late eighteenth-century translation by Sir William Jones, who mistakenly exaggerated both its antiquity and its importance. Today many of its ideas are popularised as the golden norm of classical Hindu law by Hindu universalists. They are, however, anathema to modern thinkers and particularly feminists.

Of course, as a muslims, we do not expect you to know this. And Zakir Nayak is not a genuine scholar to worry about that. He is a lowly muslim who fools the others with his manufactured scholarship and you think that you have scored points.

Even if something is written in the books, as Baad Indyan said, a hindu is not obliged to follow it. He/She has a right to think about it and make his/her own views about it. Hinduism is not dogmatic like islam or christianity. I agree that with your slave mentality, you will find this very strange to accept.
tayyab manzoor

Sargodha, Pakistan

#41 May 8, 2008
thats very good, so tear down those which are acclaimed to be your religious books & make some "new" one..which suits your 'non slave mentality'....

“Maths Guru Srinivasa Ramanujan”

Since: Jul 07

New Delhi

#42 May 10, 2008
Some people accept what is written in one book, other people accept what is written in another book. There is no fetters in hinduism for personal belief, so why should we tear down any book? Different people have different ways to look at things. That is why we say 'munde munde matirbhinna'(as many heads, that many opinions). We see no wrong in this till the person fulfills his/her duties to the family and the society. Some people believe in God, some do not believe in God, some people worship scores of Gods. Let them. Why should there be a compulsion?
Mehmood Ahmed

Lahore, Pakistan

#43 May 19, 2008
"Tayyab miyan, Hindus are an evolutionary people. We define Hinduism, the "religion" does not define us. Hence our survival for this long. Our elites and intelligentsia are practical people. We may violate our scriptures and even live contradictorily, because we are not insecure about our identities."
So you define your religion yourselves, you agree on this, this is a pleasure. What Zakir Naik has been trying his best to prove, you affirmed with ease. You define yourselves to be humiliated in front of those hand-made idols, in the wake of spiritual help. Why do you even have to worship? Why do you even have to say anything about religion itself? You surely are not insecure about your identities, then why bother with rishis, sadhus and pandits?
"Islam is like the rabbit, and Hindus are like the tortoise. You are running fast and fast and getting increasingly militant in your steadfast defense of your obsolete ways. Unfortunately, you have set up Islam in such a way that it is non-evolutionary. Islam remains as defined by the Koran, while Hindus are Hindus no matter if we follow the Vedas or Upanishads or Manu Smriti or not (each of these scriptures have contradictory philosophies, hence reflective of previous changes in history in outlook)."
We could be rabbit and you could be tortoise, but we are not going in the same direction. And it is fine by us if you don't follow your religious scriptures but then why hate with other religions? We are increasingly getting militant or obsolete? Isn't that what you said? So do you feel insecure by our growth? Do you feel threatened?
"Your Islam is only a progressive religion in the context of pre-Islamic Arabia, a barbaric state of matters which hasn't been in India or other civilized places for centuries before Islam. Your Islam can be considered an "upliftment" for women only in the context where men marry 20 women.....it is only in that scenario that Islam is revolutionary and "liberal" in "restricting" men to 4 wives. Hence your fundamentalists are busy trying to recreate the world where Islam is non-obsolete.
However, we are waayyyyyy past that. We are ten years away from creating life ourselves, we have two spacecraft that have reached outside the Solar System, I mean, progress is skyrocketting."
Do you mean Islam revolutionized lives in Arabia, I believe you gotta get your facts straightened! Those barbaric matters were not in India?, oh dear me, come on, you know better. Your civilized India invited Mohammad Bin Qasim by looting a ship of pilgrims, thats how civilized and peaceful India has been. In whole of India alone there were hundreds of states. Every city had its independant ruler, thats how united Inida was. And please relate a single place on earth where fundamentalists(Moslems) are trying to RECREATE the wolrd, namely one? And yes, I agree that you are wayyyyyyyyy past these headaches of religion, only ten years away from creating life itself, a couple of spacecrafts out in the space means you don't need religion now. Thats very interesting. I think when one is all grown up and independant that one does not need parents, then that specific one should defy one's parents, call them useless because he is creating children himself and skyrocketing in life. These thoughts about religion or its need in life are not very dharmic, I fear most hindus would revile these thoughts.
I apologize for barging in your discussion but it deemed an open forum open for all comments, so please don't tell me to GTFO here.
Mehmood Ahmed

Lahore, Pakistan

#44 May 19, 2008
Anupmanyav, if everybody is free in nurturing his own religion, then where fits the collateral effort at moral code? Who will decide what one should do or do not? Aristotle said "Man is a social beast". So this social animal has to live in society, it needs an approval of society, it needs its moral conduct, its ethical code. These morals and codes must be defined by a diety who watches the whole society at the same time in all phases of their lives. With all due respect to your faith, because man's faith is the most prime thing which God calls for, not his charity, not his good deeds, they come afterwards, when you go down before an idol, you have a mental image that you are in fact bowing down to a diety, or if you don't worship any god at all, you know you have love in yourself, love for your dear ones, thats your religion, so you seek a mean to worship that diety and that mean happen to be an idol. Remove the idol, even then you are bowing down to the same diety but this time on a much much more intimate terms. Get intimate with your divine, whoever he is or whatever you call him. I feel human race to be at their most fault when they themselves place a barrier between them and their god. A barrier of an idol, of a tree, of a snake, of a Monk or elephant. Moreover, in everybody's own different religion term, there sounds an indifference, indifference to your fellow human being, to your neighbor, to your dear or beloved ones. Near you this indifference is lawful right, near me helping and protecting all those dear to me is my lawful right. If I see a blind man walking towards a running road readying to be killed by traffic, you could think it is his right, I think it is my right to get hold of him. Now we are back to the question, who will decide who is blind and who is not? Can you tell who will decide?
GGG

Bridgewater, MA

#45 May 19, 2008
All that is tall talk.Any religion that does not produce peace loving people ,it has to be banned immediately.God is important ,but not more than my next kin.All Islamic nations through out the world are narrow minded.They care a damn about people professing other religion?
simsim india

Bangalore, India

#46 May 19, 2008
i have gone thrugh all the discursion made by my hindu frends ithink they are still in dark age they dont want to come out of it to light if mansoor have given a true piture from thare wone books vedas they dont want to exept it as old saing donky alwas be adonk only as my hidhu brothers saing islam converted people by force now in around the world most educated people are acepting islam are any muslim going to america or britan taking sward or gun and asking them to convert to islam asthey say muslim waged wars sorry our propeth(swas)waged war in self defanc and afew has been killd see your wars ramayana war for awomen killing lakhs of humains and destroing propartys and mahabharath war for the property kiling there own brother and millions of people for 18 days come my hindu brothers exept the thruth and come to the true reagion of peace ISLAM

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