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Pratibha

Muscat, Oman

#23 Oct 2, 2010
As you say Suresh, we have no right to judge a man who lived by his principles & a stellar man who achieved which may have never been possible. If Harilal had the courage to oppose his father then he should have proved he was right by making his life the way he wanted it to be. The 4 sons were fortunate to have a father for the great MK Gandhi, they would have never realized what it meant. Even now most of us look upto our parents for guidance, imagine if your father was MK Gandhi.
surita

Mississauga, Canada

#24 Jan 16, 2011
Nitin wrote:
Quite cool!
Never knew Gandhi can find so many supporters.
I will start with a small corporate thing first.
When you appear for a high post today, the companies look at what kind of level you are at. Are you a Level IV leader, or a Level V leader (yes, leaders are categorized by their capability).
A Level IV leader is one, who has the capacity to lead a big mass and take them to achieve his dream goals that fits in bigger goals of the company. But often when he leaves the company comes to a standstill and loses its edge.
A Level V leader on the other hand, does not carries that god like aura, rather he is the one who is in mix of things, but when he leaves, he leaves behind a series of leaders who can go on to take up the company to next level on the basis of culture he has developed.
Coming back to Mahatama Gandhi,
Gandhi in this perspective had been a level IV leader, the man was just striving for his in own Individual dreams and principles. For him there was nothing above them. Neither the love for his country, nor his family, nor the congress or freedom was above his principles. Think of these:
In 1921, Republican Muslim leader Hasrat Mohani wanted to move a resolution defining Swaraj as complete independence, free from all foreign control. Much to the relief of the British, Gandhi led the opposition against the resolution and secured it's rejection.
In 1921, there was seething anger against the high taxes imposed by the British. Delegations from numerous districts approached Gandhi to lead a No-Tax campaign. In Guntur, the no-tax campaign began without the permission of the national leadership, but Gandhi responded by calling for all taxes to be paid by the due date. However, he agreed to lead a No-Tax campaign in the single district of Bardoli, but even that was withdrawn when he heard news of a peasant rebellion in Chauri Chaura village in UP. Gandhi's Bardoli decision created deep consternation in Congress circles. Subhas Chandra Bose wrote: "To sound the order of retreat just when public enthusiasm was reaching the boiling point was nothing short of a national calamity. The principal lieutenants of the Mahatma, Deshbandhu Das, Pandit Motilal Nehru and Lala Lajpat Rai, who were all in prison, shared the popular resentment. But Gandhi was uninfluenced.
In 1939, Subash Chandra Bose defeated Gandhi's nominee Pattabhi Sitaramayya to be re-elected Congress president. But Gandhi launched a campaign of non-cooperation against him, and he resigned a few months later.
Role In Partition & Kashmir Issue.
India owed to Pakistan a debt of 55 Crores whereas Pakistan owed to India a debt of Rs. 300 Crores. Government had already decided to recover Rs. 245 Crores from Pakistan. Gandhi began a fast unto death and made Pakistan free of debt of Rs. 245 crores it owed to India on the basis of which, Pakistan managed to attack Kashmir for the first time after Independence! Nathuram Godse then slayed Gandhi on 30th January.
Why Nathuram Godse slayed Gandhi
Shri Ram Manohar Lohiya said, "Nathuram's way was wrong, yet the reasons for his agitation were right and factual. The egos of leaders especially those of Mahatma's are terrible! ". The interesting point to note is that Nathuram Godse was himself a Satyagrahi and an ardent follower of Gandhi's Harijan seva. He had actively participated in inter-caste Marriage and functions of Dalits. He was in short a Satyagrahi and a Dalit Activist.
Not sure if more text will fit in so keeping it short!
Oh by the way, regarding Level V leader, Bhagat Singh was one person who could have become the level V leader with his attempt to raise the Indian youth at cost of his life, but again thanks Gandhi for suppressing the anger and public resentment!
Thank you Nitin, that was very enlightening, educational and a very fair depiction. I especially liked your comparison to corporate leadership, and strongly agree that Bhagat Singh would have been a V leader.
sebastian joseph

Delhi, India

#25 Mar 28, 2011
k this is very sad that the father of our nation can not stand for his own son. gandhi was also studied in abroad so why couldnt he support his own son. every one is having his own choice of his own life, gandhi did so much but he cant force any other weather it is his son to sacrifice for the nation. harilal was respecting gandhi that is why he chose alcohal inspite of any other action.i m forced to change my opinion about the father of the nation. how can be a man becomes father of the nation when he is not true to his own son>>>>

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#26 Mar 28, 2011
Can somebody explain to me why Gandhi slept with underage girls?

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#27 Apr 14, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why Gandhi slept with underage girls?
Here are a few facts about this subject;
-They were not underage.
-He did not do it in a private place he did it out doors right in the middle of his ashram.
-He said he did it to see if he transcended his desire for sex.
-The only reason we know about this is because Gandhi wrote about it.
-Nobody involved ever said there was any sex going on.
-Hindu Fundamentalists are trying to destroy the good name of Gandhi, they say he was a racist,pervert, and now a new book was written on how he was Gay.

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#28 Apr 15, 2011
Want to be Hindu wrote:
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Here are a few facts about this subject;
-They were not underage.
-He did not do it in a private place he did it out doors right in the middle of his ashram.
-He said he did it to see if he transcended his desire for sex.
-The only reason we know about this is because Gandhi wrote about it.
-Nobody involved ever said there was any sex going on.
-Hindu Fundamentalists are trying to destroy the good name of Gandhi, they say he was a racist,pervert, and now a new book was written on how he was Gay.
Are you sure this isn't all hindutva bullsh*t?

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#29 Apr 27, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Are you sure this isn't all hindutva bullsh*t?
Many in the Hinduva camp hates Gandhi because he liked the Muslims.

It is the fundamentalist Hindus who are attacking Gandhi.

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#30 Apr 27, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Are you sure this isn't all hindutva bullsh*t?
It is the Fundamentalist Hindus who write all the hateful stuff about Gandhi.

Since: Jun 07

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#31 Apr 28, 2011
Want to be Hindu wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are a few facts about this subject;
-They were not underage.
-He did not do it in a private place he did it out doors right in the middle of his ashram.
-He said he did it to see if he transcended his desire for sex.
-The only reason we know about this is because Gandhi wrote about it.
-Nobody involved ever said there was any sex going on.
-Hindu Fundamentalists are trying to destroy the good name of Gandhi, they say he was a racist,pervert, and now a new book was written on how he was Gay.
-There WERE underage
-Other women and servants saw him with them
-Bullshit - he was a normal man with sexual desires like the rest of us.
-It was confirmed by servants and helpers so him writing about it wasn't the only reason
-People are too naive if they think he DIDNT have sex with them.
-Hindu fundamentalists were responsible for his assasination - the RSS/Hindutva in particular.

I know that he did these questionable things already - that is a fact. My question was WHY do you think he did it?

Since: Jun 07

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#32 Apr 28, 2011
Want to be Hindu wrote:
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It is the Fundamentalist Hindus who write all the hateful stuff about Gandhi.
Hindutvadis ARE fundamentalist Hindus. Read the Hindutva mission: they want the whole world to become Hindu. They instigate riots, exploit poor people through shakhas and basically are a cult
skeptical

New York, NY

#33 May 1, 2011
In response to "Want to be Hindu", I am not a fundamentalist and I don't think that questioning Gandhi makes you a fundamentalist by any means. Gandhi was an inspirational leader but he had his flaws. You say Gandhi slept with underage women (including his great grand niece btw) in order to see if he transcends his desire for sex

Do you think its ok to use underage women like this?? As tools? To see if you get an erection when you sleep with them? To try and overcome arousal? NO IT IS NOT OK. Using people especially underage women for tools would be considered paedophilia today.

That is all I have to say.

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Want to be Hindu wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are a few facts about this subject;
-They were not underage.
-He did not do it in a private place he did it out doors right in the middle of his ashram.
-He said he did it to see if he transcended his desire for sex.
-The only reason we know about this is because Gandhi wrote about it.
-Nobody involved ever said there was any sex going on.
-Hindu Fundamentalists are trying to destroy the good name of Gandhi, they say he was a racist,pervert, and now a new book was written on how he was Gay.

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#34 May 5, 2011
skeptical wrote:
In response to "Want to be Hindu", I am not a fundamentalist and I don't think that questioning Gandhi makes you a fundamentalist by any means. Gandhi was an inspirational leader but he had his flaws. You say Gandhi slept with underage women (including his great grand niece btw) in order to see if he transcends his desire for sex
Do you think its ok to use underage women like this?? As tools? To see if you get an erection when you sleep with them? To try and overcome arousal? NO IT IS NOT OK. Using people especially underage women for tools would be considered paedophilia today.
That is all I have to say.
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<quoted text>
I personally have a hard time understanding what Gandhi was thinking in this area. I just think this experiment on sexual desire is just stupid.

I am sorry if that you misunderstand me in the area of fundamentalism. I don't think that you are one. The Hindu fundamentalist are trying to systematical destroy Gandhi reputation point by point. They have put great energy into doing this. When folks read the comments about Gandhi's Racesm and love of young girls in most casses they don't know were much of the info is coming from. Also believe that questioning anybody on any subject is a good thing.

I think you would have a hard time defending your definition of paedophilia when it comes to Gandhi. There are no examples of Gandhi being attracted to pre pubescent kids. Even the Hindu fundamentalists are not accusing him of that as far as I know. The girls were teenagers.(I think) I am not defending this practice of Gandhi's just trying to put it in context. A new book came out that now says that Gandhi was really gay! It's just hard to keep up with all the new gossip about Gandhi's sex life.

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#35 May 5, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
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-People are too naive if they think he DIDNT have sex with them.
Nobody has ever come forward and said Gandhi had sex with anybody. Nobody!!!! In all the years after his death. The only people who re making accusations are those who never meet Gandhi or even the people who lived in his ashram.

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#36 May 5, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Hindutvadis ARE fundamentalist Hindus.
I agree 100%

“ I Am She SaHum”

Since: Apr 07

World

#37 May 5, 2011
-Skeptic- wrote:
-Other women and servants saw him with them
Yes, he took his bed outside of his hut and put it in the middle of his ashram so every one could see.
-Skeptic- wrote:
-Bullshit - he was a normal man with sexual desires like the rest of us.
How do you now this? There are many scientific document casses of people with low sex drives. Gandhi was also an old man when this happened. I just turne 50' I can tell you I care a lot less about sex then when I was in my 20's.
-Skeptic- wrote:
-It was confirmed by servants and helpers so him writing about it wasn't the only reason
Sorry read his Autobiography he wrote about this. This is how everyone found out about this (bazaar) practice of Gandhi's.
Baabs

Pompano Beach, FL

#38 May 5, 2011
Sex is a mystical aspect of everyone's life. It comes in many shades, colors and illusions/delusion.

Sex is maya or fantasy, and filled with illusions/delusions of one kind or another from the sinner to the saint and cannot be explained, until maya is understood and the lure of sex is overcome.

Sex is purity only when you have indulged in it as a gift from God and indulge in it with a pure unselfish heart. Only then you realize that you are just one lucky, heavenly person. Otherwise, it can take you to the brink of disaster and back to misery and heaven all at the same time.

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#39 Jun 30, 2011
Want to be Hindu wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are a few facts about this subject;
-They were not underage.
-He did not do it in a private place he did it out doors right in the middle of his ashram.
-He said he did it to see if he transcended his desire for sex.
-The only reason we know about this is because Gandhi wrote about it.
-Nobody involved ever said there was any sex going on.
-Hindu Fundamentalists are trying to destroy the good name of Gandhi, they say he was a racist,pervert, and now a new book was written on how he was Gay.
Sir, with all respect for you, I need to point out that acclaimed people who are revered and have huge following become gutsy and do things in open.

For example, most of us Hindus rever Shiva's organ (shivalinga) and do not blink when our mothers and sisters go and pray some other man's penis as we feel it is acceptable.

Most of the bank robberies take place in broad daylight because they are most effective.

Most of the thefts take place right in front of the neighborhood when thieves transport TVs and other valuables on the pretext of shifting furniture.

Mahatma Gandhi was a noble soul and being a vegetarian he could have been missing his libido for sex and all his messing around with girls started when he was beyond an age when almost all Indian men are not able to get their penis up or functional. They have a muted desire and it ends up in perversion.

What would you call getting off without penetration ? If this is termed as "no sex going on" then it is asexual but in my humble opinion, Gandhi was in to paraphilia or sexual perversion with shameless audacity.

Having said that, I must maintain that he was a decent man.

Since: Mar 11

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#41 Jun 30, 2011
Want to be Hindu wrote:
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Nobody has ever come forward and said Gandhi had sex with anybody. Nobody!!!! In all the years after his death. The only people who re making accusations are those who never meet Gandhi or even the people who lived in his ashram.
Sir, Gandhi was a massive figure as even English gave him that respect. Gandhi hung around with social rejects who saw themselves as very very low and most of his followers were "harijans" ! If you think of sex in the literal sense then you would realize that it is not a big thing. Its one organ entering another and juicing out. Handle it hygienically and it is just like eating food. India had famines, drought during 30s, and 40s and food was very very scarce. The only place where food never ran out was Gandhi's ashram as Brits made sure of that. Now, Gandhi's willing accomplices who stuck around with him had a home to live and food to eat in a time where no Indian knew how to make money ! Food was a big thing and Gandhi had it in abundance. In the name of food his sexual orgies went on unchallenged while the bald old man ejaculated, his tight crew looked the other way and no one said a word for the fear of being ejected from the ashram.
james

India

#42 Mar 12, 2012
i was gonne through so many journals about mr. gandhi and his son, and so many testimonials of that time preserved in queens chamber and all those nly suggest that gandhi was quite a failure on the point of his family and as my personel views i also consider him nothing just a fake old guy with unworthy meanig of his life and also force his family to live their life according to him no matter what they are going to suffer and feel through that
Swati Shahzad

Brampton, Canada

#43 Jan 4, 2013
TheBuffaloGuy wrote:
Varna, as Wanna Be pointed out, what you describe is what a lot of American's would refer to as "being a parent".-,,,,,,,,Wow Republican dogma has some truth to it.*
My grandpa was around the same time as Hiralal and he though was a very intelligent was asked to leave his studies by his father and join and support the freedom movement. He left school. But going with his father's wishes did not stop him from studying further and and finally become medical doctor by profession and he reached great success in his life.

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