Will the Episcopal Church amend its r...

Will the Episcopal Church amend its rules?

There are 153 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Jun 26, 2012, titled Will the Episcopal Church amend its rules?. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

The Episcopal Church was not the first denomination to ordain women or lesbians and gays, or to name them to senior leadership positions. And while the denomination has recently moved forward toward the blessing of same-gender relationships, the practice was formally affirmed in the Unitarian Universalist church almost thirty years ago ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jun 26, 2012
from Religion Dispatched:

"But it might be argued that all this Episcopal-Anglican wrangling has allowed for a vicarious processing of perspectives on gender equality, human sexuality, and religious inclusion by those in other churches and religious groups with nothing immediately at stake. The larger culture, to its betterment I would suggest, has used the ongoing debates in the Episcopal Church to think through the nest of nettlesome issues at the intersection of biblical teaching, religious tradition, human reason, and experience with regard to women, lesbians, and gays.

"Gene Robinson, that is, may well be the Ellen DeGeneres of contemporary American religion."
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#2 Jun 27, 2012
If the liberals don't follow the rules, it is okay. In fact, it's progressive. IF the liberals don't like the rules, they change them to suit themselves. If the conservative don't follow the rules, the liberals kick them out and take their property, buildings, and endowments -- even though they did not pay for them, maintain them or worship in them. The liberals laught all the way to the bank. The conservatives weep for the fall of the church.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#3 Jun 27, 2012
Romans have done this for 100's of years.

Unfortunately for the romans, they move further and further away from Scripture and closer to them being God on earth.

LOL..........

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#4 Jun 27, 2012
How about we just say that all human beings regardless of DNA identification is welcome to join TEC and are eligible for any office or position.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Jun 27, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
How about we just say that all human beings regardless of DNA identification is welcome to join TEC and are eligible for any office or position.
What a concept!

1)“I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh“

2)“Your sons and daughters will prophesy”

3)“your young men will see visions“

4)“your old men shall dream dreams“

5)“My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My spirit and they shall prophecy“.

Yep, we're on track.........
Brett

Pekin, IL

#6 Jun 27, 2012
No truly Christian church would ever affirm or bless what God condemns.
J Marc

Savannah, GA

#7 Jun 27, 2012
Brett wrote:
No truly Christian church would ever affirm or bless what God condemns.
No truly Christian Church would go on condemning!
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#8 Jun 27, 2012
Luke 17:2 "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and IF he repent, forgive him."

Luke 16:31 "And he [Abraham] said unto him,'If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.'"

Since: Aug 09

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#9 Jun 27, 2012
J Marc wrote:
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No truly Christian Church would go on condemning!
You are right, J Marc.

But, the old habits seem to pass away very slowly. That is the nature of Tradition.

However, in the long run, the realization that Human sexuality is about 95% normally heterosexual and 5% G/L/B/T and that all of it is a normal expression is a rapidly evolving realization.

At the present rate, within 100 years, most of the modern world will get up to speed.

Rev. Ken
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#10 Jun 27, 2012
1% of the human population being homosexual does not transpose into 5% homosexual activity, unless one considers that 5% of the human population is irrevocably insane (and still they don't universally molest members of the same sex.)

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Jun 27, 2012
RevKen wrote:
However, in the long run, the realization that Human sexuality is about 95% normally heterosexual and 5% G/L/B/T ...
Last year, according to the LA Times, 9 million adults ID'd themselves as GBLT: that's only 3.5% of the US pop, a figure you have almost doubled.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#12 Jun 28, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Last year, according to the LA Times, 9 million adults ID'd themselves as GBLT: that's only 3.5% of the US pop, a figure you have almost doubled.
Too bad, it's a done deal.

Go hate some where else, liar..........

Since: Aug 09

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#13 Jun 28, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Last year, according to the LA Times, 9 million adults ID'd themselves as GBLT: that's only 3.5% of the US pop, a figure you have almost doubled.
LOL!!!!...

"... almost doubled....?"

Nah. I just picked a general number. 95/5.

You have quoted a California News survey. How accurate do you think that is, Mr. editor?

They list about 9 million that ID themselves???

Do you think there might be another million or two that know themselves to have some G/L/B/T traits but prefer not to ID themselves as such? Very possible - Yes. Very probable - Yes.

That's the whole thing in a nutshell, isn't it?

Consensual sex and individual sexual expression as adults in a society and culture that defends the rights of the minority - the individual, on Christian ethical principles set into writing by the Founding Fathers.

Why did you serve in the Armed Forces, Sarge?

What was the purpose of your service?

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#14 Jun 28, 2012
RevKen wrote:
You have quoted a California News survey. How accurate do you think that is, Mr. editor?...
More accurate and less biased than anything Kinsey reported.

Since: Jun 07

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#15 Jun 28, 2012
Some people are afraid to admit that they are homosexual...right Joe?
J Marc

Savannah, GA

#16 Jun 28, 2012
Statistical tools of measurement, or values to establish what is "normal," or to add creditability and weight to one's position are irrelevant when we are part of a very diverse universe where some elements of commonality may exist but do not establish or account for the reality or the unique nature of all beings and creatures that exist therein.

Since: Aug 09

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#17 Jun 28, 2012
J Marc wrote:
Statistical tools of measurement, or values to establish what is "normal," or to add creditability and weight to one's position are irrelevant when we are part of a very diverse universe where some elements of commonality may exist but do not establish or account for the reality or the unique nature of all beings and creatures that exist therein.
Oh, Yes!

Humans are an incredibly narcissistic lot.

In fact, there are a whole lot of us who actually believe that we are the only intelligent beings made in the image of God.

The fact that we even exist at all, way out here on one of the arms of the Milky Way galaxy, ought to be enough to fully reeducate anyone who acknowledges our relative location, as to the probabilities of thousands upon thousands of civilizations of way more highly intelligent beings than are we elsewhere in our own galaxy.

It ought to be a foregone conclusion and someday it will be a known fact.

But, for now, the Teachings of Christ Jesus are the best way to usher people into a state of mind and spirit that can appreciate that some existing race of completely different beings somewhere else is likely to be far superior and more highly intelligent than the Humans of Planet Earth.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#18 Jun 29, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Some people are afraid to admit that they are homosexual...
But not in TEC and on this forum; they are so bold that they will even post an unflattering photo of themselves in a swimsuit.
J Marc

Savannah, GA

#19 Jun 29, 2012
I agree with your comments for the most part Reverend,about the universe, but I submit there are other great religions in addition too Christianity with doctrines that teach about the necessity for people to love & respect each other, as well as all sentient beings, and the earth itself.Many religions may provide people with a basic understanding and pathway to finding God and it may provide a good starting point, but in the end one must find the omnipresent,omnipotent and unknowable and God on their own by lovingly looking within and then without at all of God's creation.

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#20 Jun 29, 2012

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