TEC's Presiding Bishop Spins General ...

TEC's Presiding Bishop Spins General Convention

There are 86 comments on the www.virtueonline.org story from Aug 6, 2012, titled TEC's Presiding Bishop Spins General Convention . In it, www.virtueonline.org reports that:

In her wrap up of the Episcopal Church's 77th General Convention in Indianapolis, Katharine Jefferts Schori concluded, "We emerge with abundant hope, better discipline for working together and with partners beyond this Church, for our fundamental reason for being - engagement with God's mission."

If you think acquiescence to her worldview prevailed, you would be exactly correct. She held the largely gelded bishops in the palm of her hand ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Aug 6, 2012
from virtueonline:

KJS: "The General Convention offered new and creative responses to the call of the gospel in our day ...

VOL: No it didn't, it took the Episcopal Church right over the edge of Biblical faith into a no man's land of heresies, ancient and modern ...

KJS: "The call to restructure the Church is a response to growing grassroots awareness that we must change or die ... We need to be more responsive and able to engage opportunities, more nimble.

VOL: INTERPRETATION. We are running out of money. Being nimble means we may have to sell the church's national headquarters to pay the bulk of $15 million to David Booth Beers' legal fees in an obsession to keep on suing for empty churches that will be sold for mosques or hospice care ...

KJS: "The General Convention decided to address needs for structural change ...

VOL: Translation: "Structural change" means the church is top heavy with bureaucrats making six figure salaries pushing papers around that no one reads ...

And there's much more, if the reader has the stomach for it.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#2 Aug 7, 2012
VOL: INTERPRETATION. We are running out of money. Being nimble means we may have to sell the church's national headquarters to pay the bulk of $15 million to David Booth Beers' legal fees in an obsession to keep on suing for empty churches that will be sold for mosques or hospice care ...

LMAO!

It's not what she said it's what David thinks she meant to say.

LMAO!

Talk about disingenuous, sheeeeesh..........

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#3 Aug 7, 2012
Virtue has mental issues and once again they are self evident. He and he alone can tell us the true meaning of what our Presiding Bishop is really saying. That is fascinating since the man is not Episcopalian and despises the Episcopal Church, especially our Presiding Bishop.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#4 Aug 7, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
It's not what she said it's what David thinks she meant to say.
LMAO!...
KJS: "The call to restructure the Church is a response to growing grassroots awareness that we must change or die ..."

Did Schori mean that the church would die literally?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Aug 8, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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KJS: "The call to restructure the Church is a response to growing grassroots awareness that we must change or die ..."
Did Schori mean that the church would die literally?
I don't know, I'm still waiting for the VOL. INTERPRETATION.

LMAO joie..........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#6 Aug 8, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
Virtue has mental issues and once again they are self evident. He and he alone can tell us the true meaning of what our Presiding Bishop is really saying. That is fascinating since the man is not Episcopalian and despises the Episcopal Church, especially our Presiding Bishop.
All hate and no love make David Virtue a bitter accuser....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 Aug 8, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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I don't know ...
... you don't even know what your own PB means?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#8 Aug 8, 2012
Try this article from a Canadian source.

http://www.anglicanjournal.com/nc/other/news-...

Presiding bishop addresses the Episcopal Church
BY PRESIDING BISHOP KATHARINE JEFFERTS SCHORI August 07, 2012

…The hot-button issues of the last decade have not been eternally resolved, but we have as a body found creative and pastoral ways to live with the differences of opinion, rather than resorting to old patterns of conflict. There is a certain expansive grace in how these decisions are being made and in the responses to them, a grace that is reminiscent of the Elizabeth settlement. We’ve said as a Church that there is no bar to the participation of minorities of all sorts, and we are finding pastoral ways to ensure that potential offense at the behavior or position of another is minimized, with the hope that we may grow toward celebrating that diversity as a gift from God. If we are all sinners, then each of us may be wrong about where we stand. Human beings, made from humus, become Christlike when they know humility.
And

Major issues addressed at General Convention included approval of a trial rite for blessing same-sex unions. It may be used in congregations beginning in Advent, with the approval of the diocesan bishop. Bishops are making varied responses to the rite – a prime example of this emerging reality of local adaptation based on context – something which is profoundly Anglican.
The decision to provide a trial rite for same-sex blessings was anticipated by many across the Church – some with fear and trepidation, others with rejoicing, and yet others with frustration that more would not be offered. The decision of General Convention may not have fully satisfied anyone, yet it has provided more space for difference than most expected. The rite must be authorized by a diocesan bishop, which permits bishops who believe it inappropriate to safeguard their own theological position. Some of the responses by bishops with questions about the appropriateness of such rites in their dioceses show creativity and enormous pastoral respect for those who support such blessings. The use of this rite is open to local option, in the same way we often think about private confession:“all may, some should, none must.”
And

The call to restructure the Church is a response to growing grassroots awareness that we must change or die. I’ve heard it put this way,“It’s not a matter of tradition or change – tradition IS change!” We live in an age of rapid change, and if we are going to be faithful to our baptismal work of going into the world and proclaiming the gospel, our methods and support systems also need to change. We need to be more responsive and able to engage opportunities, more nimble.
And

God still seems to have a use for this Church, if we can remember our central focus – to love God and our neighbors as ourselves, wherever we go, and wherever we find ourselves. May God bless the journey, and may we learn to travel light

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#9 Aug 8, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
God still seems to have a use for this Church, if we can remember our central focus ...
Did Kate Schori forget His name, or that Jesus is the "central focus" of the Gospel?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#10 Aug 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Did Kate Schori forget His name, or that Jesus is the "central focus" of the Gospel?
He is the seed. Loving others is the fruit.

You'd better reread the GOOD NEWS, goats to the left.....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Aug 9, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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He is the seed ...
... He's the Son of God, and He has a name, or have you forgotten it too?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#12 Aug 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... He's the Son of God, and He has a name, or have you forgotten it too?
Correction: He is God! The Trinity is one being and unless you think Christianity represents three gods then be careful in how you word your heresies.

There is no hierarchy in the Trinity. Orthodox Christians believe in one God not three.

As for names there are many associated with each aspect of Trinity. The best name is One God as Unity in Being.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#13 Aug 9, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
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Correction: He is God!...
Even Muslims understand that "Son of God" denotes deity, so why can't you?

Since: Aug 09

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#14 Aug 10, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... He's the Son of God, and He has a name, or have you forgotten it too?
Question:

If we read our biblical translations, using a name provided in the translation which is not the same name the individual in question actually used, have we forgotten His name?

Have we changed scripture by using a name other than the correct pronunciation of the Aramaic name?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15 Aug 10, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Question:
If we read our biblical translations, using a name provided in the translation which is not the same name the individual in question actually used, have we forgotten His name?
Have we changed scripture by using a name other than the correct pronunciation of the Aramaic name?
Answer: Is scripture a magic incantation that must be correctly spelled and pronounced in order for it to work?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16 Aug 10, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Answer: Is scripture a magic incantation that must be correctly spelled and pronounced in order for it to work?
That is a question and the answer is yes for romans.

LOL..........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#17 Aug 10, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Question:
If we read our biblical translations, using a name provided in the translation which is not the same name the individual in question actually used, have we forgotten His name?
Have we changed scripture by using a name other than the correct pronunciation of the Aramaic name?
Does Yeshua ben Yosef recognizes his name in Greek?

;-)

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#18 Aug 10, 2012
Using "ben Yosef" is problematic at best. That was even understood in His own life time. More likely the kids in the hood called him that bastard Yeshua. He is most often called the son of Mary. That is highly unusual given His period of time and birth location.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Aug 10, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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That is a question ...
... what's questionable is your roman seminary degree.

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#20 Aug 11, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Answer: Is scripture a magic incantation that must be correctly spelled and pronounced in order for it to work?
Joe,

You reply with a rhetorical question!

But, your question brings up the actuality of the problem with sole reliance upon scripture as the ultimate authority. The fact is that such a reliance, the basis for literalism and fundamentalism, is exactly as you have suggested - a magic incantation that must be pronounced exactly right.

The premise is obviously flawed. If it were true, each one of us would have to be Jesus Christ Himself, in order for us to be "Christian."

Now, here are the real questions:

Did Jesus regard His disciples to be fully capable of becoming equal in status and capability to himself? Is that the goal of His ministry? If so, where then can it be said that authority actually resides and of what is authority actually composed?

As PB Jefferts-Shori suggested [above], "...our fundamental reason for being - engagement with God's mission."

In other words, take time to answer with the intelligence of which you are capable, Joe. Don't let your usual knee-jerk reaction to anything "Schori" be the motive for your reply.

Rev. Ken

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