Conservative Anglicans Object to C of...

Conservative Anglicans Object to C of E Allowing Gay Bishops

There are 23 comments on the Advocate story from Jan 11, 2013, titled Conservative Anglicans Object to C of E Allowing Gay Bishops. In it, Advocate reports that:

Mirroring reactions to gay-friendly moves in the U.S. and Canada, some Anglican leaders are objecting to the Church of England's decision to allow gay bishops ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jan 12, 2013
from Advocate:

"The Church of England, part of the worldwide Anglican Communion, which also includes the U.S. Episcopal Church, last week announced that gay clergy who are in civil partnerships, the U.K. version of a civil union, would be eligible to become bishops if they pledge to remain celibate. The Episcopal Church allows partnered gay bishops without the celibacy requirement, and it saw some congregations break off after the appointment of Gene Robinson as the church’s first openly gay bishop in 2003 ...

"Okoh followed Ugandan and Kenyan archbishops in denouncing the Church of England’s action. He said the church 'is one step removed from the moral precipice we have already witnessed in the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church in Canada ...'"

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#3 Jan 12, 2013
So?

Since: Aug 09

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#4 Jan 12, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
So?
Yes. That's right.

The Episcopal Church has acknowledged, openly and honestly, a human condition that is normal.

The historic, institutionalized theology of Christendom, which contains roots of hypocrisy and bigotry borne out of ancient superstition and cultural taboo, does not wish to have its internalized flaws exposed.

A lot of work left to do. But, we are on the Right Path and it is known in the Heavens as the Way of Christ.

Rev. Ken
Quest

Woodford, VA

#5 Jan 12, 2013
God creates gay people as gay people, so it only makes sense that a church would allow gay priests and bishops.

It's God's will.

Really, those that have a problem with gay clergy should complain to God about His choice to make them gay in the first place.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#7 Jan 12, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Gay people are a product of birth defects.
Actually it is more of a mental illness
Quest

Woodford, VA

#9 Jan 12, 2013
Terror With A Twist wrote:
Still waiting for a poofter to refute my assertion that it is a basic human right for all children to be afforded a male father and female mother for parenting.
First, you would need to prove that such is the case. So, prove that single parents are not allowed to raise children in this country.

Then, show that gay parents do not raise wonderful, productive, healthy children.

Finally, tell us what penalties are involved when the biological parents choose not to raise their biological children, and leave the raising of them to strangers?

I would thing that those straight folks are the ones depriving children of that "mother/father" dynamic. Blaming the couples that step up to raise them hardly seems fair.
Quest

Woodford, VA

#10 Jan 12, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Gay people are a product of birth defects.
Untrue, of course, but all you have are silly insults. Poor thing.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#12 Jan 12, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Untrue, of course, but all you have are silly insults. Poor thing.
Funny that you find the association of homosexuality with birth defects insulting.

Do you have something against people with birth defects?

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#13 Jan 12, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Gay people are a product of birth defects.
So are straight people.

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#16 Jan 13, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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A lot are. You just happen to be one of them.
That makes two of us.
Quest

Woodford, VA

#18 Jan 13, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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No, just happens to be true. Sorry if it's too hard to handle.
Just listen to you, you poor thing.
You seem to have a little trouble determine what is created in your own mind, and what is true in the real world. Try getting out and meeting real live people. It might help you with facing reality.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#19 Jan 13, 2013
Terror With A Twist wrote:
Still waiting for a poofter to refute my assertion that it is a basic human right for all children to be afforded a male father and female mother for parenting.
Good for you, you can go all around the country and find single mothers or single fathers who have children, rip them away from their security and give them to some nice mother/father couple who will use them for money from the state or abuse them.

Idiot.........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#20 Jan 13, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Just listen to you, you poor thing.
You seem to have a little trouble determine what is created in your own mind, and what is true in the real world. Try getting out and meeting real live people. It might help you with facing reality.
Nah, let him stay in his mom's basement. What person would want anything to do with that thing....

Since: Aug 09

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#21 Jan 13, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Are you a Fa$$ot derived from the birth defect??
Every human being alive today is a product of birth defects.

You've got some idea that some of us, even yourself maybe, have no birth defects. If you believe this, you are mistaken.

The defects in every person are often more or less subtle. But, they exist, anyway. Plus, genetic differences are good.

Based upon the revelations of continuing research in genetics and embryonic development, as exhibited in humans, both existing and historically, I no longer regard homosexuality as a "defect." I now regard sexual orientation as simply a part of the spectrum of human sexual expression.

Obviously, you regard homosexuality differently than I do. As for whether either or both of us are of any particular self-professed sexual orientation; mox nix.

Both my sister and I are Left-handed. Our parents were Righties. 50 years ago, left-handedness was considered a birth defect and methods to train people to become right-handed were still being practiced in many U. S. public elementary school systems, not to mention private schools. Fortunately, the misconception has been MOSTLY rectified.

Although, there are many less educated human societies and cultures that still regard left-handedness as a serious birth defect. Places where the hand is commonly used to clean one's rectum after defecating can generally be figured to continue to regard left-handedness with considerable disrespect.

Homosexuality will eventually be seen as a normal human trait, just as left-handedness is now regarded as a normal human trait.

Want to comment on the fact that white people can't jump? Its an exaggeration of course. But, compared generally to people of African stock, it is a fact. So, is it a birth defect?

LOL!!!.... Most basketball players of African stock think it is - and they can prove it!

Want to comment on the fact that black people can't swim? Its an exaggeration of course. But, compared generally to people of northern European coastal descent, it is a fact. These have more subcutaneous fat that allows them to swim and float in cold water. In contrast, people who can jump, being descendent from central African stock, sink like a stone for lack of fat content in cold water. Is it a birth defect?

Comparatively speaking, YES!

Leonardo DaVinci was bi-sexual. Pyotr Tchiakovsky was homosexual. So were Oscar Wilde and Walt Whitman and Crazy Horse. Probably Joan D'Arc and definitely Martina Navratilova. The list of highly intelligent, talented and influential, positively beneficial people who are or were not strictly heterosexual is endless.

Birth defect? Only from the perspective that you and some others are clinging to, in spite of the growing mountain of evidence to the contrary.

Have at it, bro. But, your perspectives on this issue are declining in value and validity.

Promiscuity, on the other hand, is a behavior that seriously provokes great peril for the individual. Not always. But often.

Yet, among the Great Apes, the Bonobos of central Africa are a species of the most highly intelligent primates, sharing nearly 99% of our own DNA, that exhibit highly promiscuous behavior successfully. Highly promiscuous.

Birth defect? Nope.

Your blanket stereotyping of certain human behaviors and their misunderstood causes is a common set of beliefs, propagated through long-held belief in ages-old tribal superstition and taboo.

Its OK, NoQ. You are certainly entitled to your own beliefs and right to express.

But, the same set of Constitutional rights and privileges that entitle you to hold and speak your opinions and the personal conduct that you so religiously defend are the very rights and privileges that must be defended for those who do not think and act exactly like you.

Keep up your work and your level of interest and your passion for what you believe. But never get satisfied with what you think you know.

Rev. Ken

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#24 Jan 13, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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You sound more like a scientist than a Rev. I don't believe you're either. Anyone can talk a good game, that doesn't make it true. I'd love to see you go down to the hood, and tell some of those black guys, they're black because of a birth defect HaHaHaHa. Odds are you wouldn't be coming back. HaHaHa. I don't believe you're no more a Rev. that I am. Should I call you Rev. Al Sharpton or Rev. Jessie Jackson. At least they actually do have the title, even though they are nothing but racist. You on the other hand, are just an idiot. No title no anything, just more beliefs like anyone else. So I'll use your words. Keep up your work and your level of interest and your passion for what you believe. But never get satisfied with what you think you know.
There ya'go!

But, actually, the "white" skin, which is the result of a lack of melanin, developed through natural selection among the nomadic tribes of the northern latitudes over the last 20,000 years or so, is the birth defect. Not the other way around.

Likewise, the majority of the seventy-one in the Sanhedrin led by Caiaphus didn't think Jesus knew much or had any legitimate authority, either, did they?

LMFAO!!!....(The F stands for Friar)

So, you've got plenty of historical company with whom you can commiserate.

Oh, and Tielhard De Chardin was a scientist AND a Jesuit.
He said, "The universe as we know it is a joint product of the observer and the observed." - strangely prophetic as a matter of Quantum Mechanics, don't you think? Might want to take some time out and read some of his writings.

Believe what you can, NoQ.

Rev. Ken
A duly ordained priest and disciple of Our Lord, Christ Jesus.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#26 Jan 14, 2013
Rationalizing wrote:
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That's what you are hoping and relying on not me remember?
I'm not counting on you for anything. Advice from Jesus....
Arthur

Townsville, Australia

#27 Feb 16, 2013
Quest wrote:
God creates gay people as gay people, so it only makes sense that a church would allow gay priests and bishops.
It's God's will.
Really, those that have a problem with gay clergy should complain to God about His choice to make them gay in the first place.
God didn't create gayness anymore than he created cancer or any other disease - it is the result of the corruption of nature that came after the fall.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#28 Feb 16, 2013
Arthur wrote:
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God didn't create gayness anymore than he created cancer or any other disease - it is the result of the corruption of nature that came after the fall.
God creates life, not death.

Pick a side....

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#29 Feb 18, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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God creates life, not death.
Pick a side....
Life and Death.

Motion and Stillness.

Heat and Cold.

Inner and Outer.

Alpha and Omega.

Regeneration and Decay.

The Road and a Pothole.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#30 Feb 19, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Life and Death.
Motion and Stillness.
Heat and Cold.
Inner and Outer.
Alpha and Omega.
Regeneration and Decay.
The Road and a Pothole.
AMEN!

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