Bishop: Jesus would back gay marriage?

Nov 27, 2012 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.seacoastonline.com

Many may consider it a fact that Christianity bans gay marriage, but at least one bishop begs to differ.

A crowd packed the Congregational Church of Exeter Monday night to listen to a talk and Q&A from Gene Robinson, the openly gay Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church ...

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#340 Jan 3, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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How can you claim that unlike the rest of the mammals as well as most of the animal kingdom, we would never have sex if it was not taught? There is no ethical way to conduct such an experiment, yet there is no reason to believe we would not figure it out. While Blue Lagoon is fiction, humans have a sex drive, and would figure it out eventually, if not simply by watching other animals. Again, humans as a species would not have survived if we did not have a sex drive.
While a sex drive and sexual orientation are not the same, it should be clear we are "hard wired" with a sex drive. We learn to express it in different ways depending on culture, religion, etc, but few would argue we are not born with the basic drive.
Thank you for agreeing with me :) "...and would figure it out eventually,..." Figuring something out that you have absolutely no knowledge about can take a long, long time to figure out.
Show me a single person unaided by previous sexual knowledge of any kind that being hard wired knew how to have sex and being hard wired for sex like an animal, began having intercourse as a child.
Fricking foolish thinking. You can't suppress sex if it's hard wired in you like it is in the animal kingdom and you're born with knowledge of what to do like in animals and birds.
You don't get this weird concept of your's two ways. If humans are hard wired for sex as you claim, then we are no different then animals and birds that are factually hard wired for sex. Sex for humans should be an action taking place in childhood. And because as humans we have such a sex drive instilled in us from birth as you claim, like it happens with animals, our society should be a-o-k with such sexual activity because we're all naturally hard wired for sex and are driven to have sex beyond our own control as it happens with birds and animals.
Think before you set forth such a screwy theory.

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#341 Jan 3, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Thank you for agreeing with me :) "...and would figure it out eventually,..." Figuring something out that you have absolutely no knowledge about can take a long, long time to figure out.
Show me a single person unaided by previous sexual knowledge of any kind that being hard wired knew how to have sex and being hard wired for sex like an animal, began having intercourse as a child.
Fricking foolish thinking. You can't suppress sex if it's hard wired in you like it is in the animal kingdom and you're born with knowledge of what to do like in animals and birds.
You don't get this weird concept of your's two ways. If humans are hard wired for sex as you claim, then we are no different then animals and birds that are factually hard wired for sex. Sex for humans should be an action taking place in childhood. And because as humans we have such a sex drive instilled in us from birth as you claim, like it happens with animals, our society should be a-o-k with such sexual activity because we're all naturally hard wired for sex and are driven to have sex beyond our own control as it happens with birds and animals.
Think before you set forth such a screwy theory.
Son,

Go get an education.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#342 Jan 3, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Thank you for agreeing with me :) "...and would figure it out eventually,..." Figuring something out that you have absolutely no knowledge about can take a long, long time to figure out.
Show me a single person unaided by previous sexual knowledge of any kind that being hard wired knew how to have sex and being hard wired for sex like an animal, began having intercourse as a child.
Fricking foolish thinking. You can't suppress sex if it's hard wired in you like it is in the animal kingdom and you're born with knowledge of what to do like in animals and birds.
You don't get this weird concept of your's two ways. If humans are hard wired for sex as you claim, then we are no different then animals and birds that are factually hard wired for sex. Sex for humans should be an action taking place in childhood. And because as humans we have such a sex drive instilled in us from birth as you claim, like it happens with animals, our society should be a-o-k with such sexual activity because we're all naturally hard wired for sex and are driven to have sex beyond our own control as it happens with birds and animals.
Think before you set forth such a screwy theory.
Perhaps you are a late bloomer
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Puberty in tropical climates occurs two years earlier than puberty in frigid climates
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May you can speed things up with a blow dryer

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#343 Jan 3, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Son,
Go get an education.
Sometimes home schooling is a bad idea....

;-)

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#345 Jan 3, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Son,
Go get an education.
Been there, did that, still do it every waking day when I read a variety of things like science, religious philosophy, etc.
What's your obvious excuse for remaining uneducated? I've corrected you more times than I'd care to state where you claimed to know what you said and I showed you that wasn't true. At times you've been honest enough to state you didn't know what you claimed to know.

Science has no proof on whether humans are "hard wired" for sex like most all other mammals are most certainly "hard wired" for sex.
You want examples of what "hard wired" for sex means? Watch dogs, watch cats, watch birds, watch fish, watch elephants, watch walruses, penguins, deer, cows, horses, etc, etc, etc. They are all prime true science observed and studied animals that are "hard wired" for sex.
People like you and those you represent, you "assume" humans are "hard wired" for sex by a thinking process called "after thought".
Humans are the one species of the mammal/animal kingdom that with unnatural regularity, can decide if or if they don't want sexual sexual relations and when and how. This doesn't happen with any other mammal/animal specie.
That ability by humans to "choose" to be engaged in sex or not to be engaged in sex takes away from the normal definition of what is "hard wired" concerning sex in the mammal/animal kingdom.
Understand?
Try this from a different perspective. A great majority of people that understand sex between mammals/animals equate the act to what we humans define as rape. Why? because their is no mutual consent. The female get's it in most instances whether she's ready for it or not. And in other instances, the male is killed by the female after the act is done. THAT IS HARD WIRED SEX.
In most cases,(excluding forced incidents for they happen for different reasons)sex between humans is consensual. It is a choice. Some go for days with out sex, some go for weeks to months to years without sex. That absence of sexual activity doesn't define one being hard wired for sex.
Do a little reading before you disagree even if you'll still disagree after reading. The terminology science uses of how mammals/animals are hard wired for sex, cannot be used in the same way for humans and their want to have sex.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#347 Jan 3, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Been there, did that, still do it every waking day when I read a variety of things like science, religious philosophy, etc.
What's your obvious excuse for remaining uneducated? I've corrected you more times than I'd care to state where you claimed to know what you said and I showed you that wasn't true. At times you've been honest enough to state you didn't know what you claimed to know.
Science has no proof on whether humans are "hard wired" for sex like most all other mammals are most certainly "hard wired" for sex.
You want examples of what "hard wired" for sex means? Watch dogs, watch cats, watch birds, watch fish, watch elephants, watch walruses, penguins, deer, cows, horses, etc, etc, etc. They are all prime true science observed and studied animals that are "hard wired" for sex.
People like you and those you represent, you "assume" humans are "hard wired" for sex by a thinking process called "after thought".
Humans are the one species of the mammal/animal kingdom that with unnatural regularity, can decide if or if they don't want sexual sexual relations and when and how. This doesn't happen with any other mammal/animal specie.
That ability by humans to "choose" to be engaged in sex or not to be engaged in sex takes away from the normal definition of what is "hard wired" concerning sex in the mammal/animal kingdom.
Understand?
Try this from a different perspective. A great majority of people that understand sex between mammals/animals equate the act to what we humans define as rape. Why? because their is no mutual consent. The female get's it in most instances whether she's ready for it or not. And in other instances, the male is killed by the female after the act is done. THAT IS HARD WIRED SEX.
In most cases,(excluding forced incidents for they happen for different reasons)sex between humans is consensual. It is a choice. Some go for days with out sex, some go for weeks to months to years without sex. That absence of sexual activity doesn't define one being hard wired for sex.
Do a little reading before you disagree even if you'll still disagree after reading. The terminology science uses of how mammals/animals are hard wired for sex, cannot be used in the same way for humans and their want to have sex.
If you were not born hard-wired; then you are bisexual
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

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#348 Jan 4, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If you were not born hard-wired; then you are bisexual
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
And yet even those spread out along the bi-sexual continuum, still have a sex drive. He continues to confuse sex drive with the expression of that drive through behavior. I have repeatedly pointed out that even people who choose not to act on the drive, still have a basic drive. Hunger is the inner human experience while eating is the physical expression of the drive. A person can be hungry without eating. We learn what to eat and even how to eat it depending on culture, yet even without learning, hunger remains a basic drive.

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#349 Jan 4, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Been there, did that,...

... The female get's it in most instances whether she's ready for it or not. And in other instances, the male is killed by the female after the act is done. THAT IS HARD WIRED SEX.

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I have no doubt that many female humans have considered this remedy, shortly after the act.

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#350 Jan 4, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If you were not born hard-wired; then you are bisexual
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
The difference is so simple that it's often not understood.
Animals/mammals are hard wired for sexual reproduction. That's an undisputed scientific fact. Many species live just long enough to mate/reproduce and die.
Humans are wired (not hard wired) for sexual reproduction. There is a difference between the two. Humans are the only existing specie of millions that exist that can choose WHEN to engage in reproduction or to choose NOT to engage in reproduction at all. No other living specie can do that. That proves we humans are not "hard wired" but are "wired" for reproduction.

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#351 Jan 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And yet even those spread out along the bi-sexual continuum, still have a sex drive. He continues to confuse sex drive with the expression of that drive through behavior. I have repeatedly pointed out that even people who choose not to act on the drive, still have a basic drive. Hunger is the inner human experience while eating is the physical expression of the drive. A person can be hungry without eating. We learn what to eat and even how to eat it depending on culture, yet even without learning, hunger remains a basic drive.
lol...you're really confused.
I never said we didn't have a base sex drive.
I never said people that choose not to respond to their sex drive, don't have a sex drive. So you're quite confused of what I didn't say. You should read what I write, not what you want it to mean, just saying.
Now concerning this illogical statement let's take it apart to understand what you have actually said.
"He continues to confuse sex drive with the expression of that drive through behavior."
Which sex drive am I confusing that hasn't been made manifest in physical behavior? A mentally dormant sex drive that a person doesn't comprehend because of the lack of knowledge to understand it? A mentally realized sex drive that a person denies them self of so to abstain from physical relations for whatever reason? A mentally realized sex drive that a person thinks about and acts out on in physical behavior? Those are just three common types of mental sex drives that exist commonly among people. Which are you referring to?
I know what physical sexual behavior is. I know that physical sexual behavior is rooted in the active mental sex drive of the mind shrinks call "an urge/desire".
Now undo you're confusion and state again where you think I'm confused okay?

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#352 Jan 4, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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I have no doubt that many female humans have considered this remedy, shortly after the act.
lol...I also have no doubt ;)P
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#353 Jan 4, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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The difference is so simple that it's often not understood.
Animals/mammals are hard wired for sexual reproduction. That's an undisputed scientific fact. Many species live just long enough to mate/reproduce and die.
Humans are wired (not hard wired) for sexual reproduction. There is a difference between the two. Humans are the only existing specie of millions that exist that can choose WHEN to engage in reproduction or to choose NOT to engage in reproduction at all. No other living specie can do that. That proves we humans are not "hard wired" but are "wired" for reproduction.
I'm talking about 'hard-wired orientation'; not hard-wired sex acts
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You won't be able to comprehend because hard-wired orienation is not part of your personal life experience. You simply don't have any.
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Your condition is common among #3 bisexuals on the sliding scale
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

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#354 Jan 5, 2013
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/01/04/2225...

Church of England lifts ban on gay bishops

I knew they'd come around if they were sincerely listening to the Spirit.....

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#355 Jan 5, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/ 2013/01/04/2225471/church-of-e ngland-lifts-ban-on.html
Church of England lifts ban on gay bishops
I knew they'd come around if they were sincerely listening to the Spirit.....
"The House of Bishops put out a statement confirming that gay clergy in civil partnerships will be eligible for appointment as bishops, if they remain celibate"

Opening the door once again to child sexual abuse in the church, amongst other sins.

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#356 Jan 6, 2013
WotMeWorry wrote:
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"The House of Bishops put out a statement confirming that gay clergy in civil partnerships will be eligible for appointment as bishops, if they remain celibate"
Opening the door once again to child sexual abuse in the church, amongst other sins.
Demanding celibacy form healthy humans does seem to break their minds and cause all sorts of mental issues.

I wonder why this group, as well as the RCC, want to recruit only self hating, confused, and sexually repressed males, not sexually secure and healthy gay and straight men.

It does seem to be a recipe for disaster.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#357 Jan 6, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Demanding celibacy form healthy humans does seem to break their minds and cause all sorts of mental issues.
I wonder why this group, as well as the RCC, want to recruit only self hating, confused, and sexually repressed males, not sexually secure and healthy gay and straight men.
It does seem to be a recipe for disaster.
Because religious goobers aren't too smart
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They're trying to use superstition as a substitute for formal education

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#358 Jan 6, 2013
WotMeWorry wrote:
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"The House of Bishops put out a statement confirming that gay clergy in civil partnerships will be eligible for appointment as bishops, if they remain celibate"
Opening the door once again to child sexual abuse in the church, amongst other sins.
Amongst?

Really?

LMAO.......

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#359 Jan 6, 2013

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#360 Jan 6, 2013
I found where Joe is talking about FLEMING!!!!!

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#361 Jan 6, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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I'm talking about 'hard-wired orientation'; not hard-wired sex acts
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You won't be able to comprehend because hard-wired orienation is not part of your personal life experience. You simply don't have any.
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Your condition is common among #3 bisexuals on the sliding scale
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
lol...you can't prove humans are hard wired for sex. You haven't tried to prove it. You won't find any "credible" scientific mind that will state humans are hard wired for sex.
See, it's a fact established by studying children in groups, they are minus a preoccupation of sexual matters unlike their adult counterparts. Children are preoccupied with learning in most cases. Children mimic. They as a baby see you smile and they learn to smile. They hear you make sounds so they learn to make sounds. They see you move about. They learn to roll over. Then to crawl. Then to walk and finally to run. They finally learn how to make sounds like you and talk. They learn to sing.
Children for the first several years learn by mimicking from watching. NOT A SINGLE THING IS HARD WIRED concerning their behavior.
Sex is a behavior rooted in our attraction to one or both sexes. The fact that sex is a "learning" experience the first time, doesn't make it a hard wired behavior.
If sex was a hard wired behavior, children of age 2 and older would be displaying various sexual behaviours as it happens with adults.
If you could show children of age 2 and older regularly preformed sexual acts with other children, you could establish sex as being hard wired. But you can't. Understand the difference?

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