This Could Be Its Finest Hour

Aug 17, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The American Spectator

The U.S. based Episcopal Church's recognition of same sex unions last month mostly excited a big yawn. More interesting is the resistance of its mother body, the Church of England, to Prime Minister David Cameron's attempt to install same sex marriage in Britain. The latter's opposition is more significant because it remains its nation's established church and still wields political and constitutional powers ...
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from The American Spectator:

"Episcopalians have often behaved as the established church in America. It once was the church of America's elites. But now below 2 million members and spiraling, the Episcopal Church no longer excites more than knowing smiles. Its affirmation of transgender clergy last month, at its General Convention, fulfilled stereotypes about modern, liberal Episcopalians.

"The Church of England similarly often has a penchant for striving to be trendier than thou. But even as it presides over an increasingly secular Britain, it cherishes its role as senior church in the global, 80 million member Anglican Communion ..."
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4:17 pm, Friday, August 17, 2012:
RE: This Could Be Its Finest Hour
..... There are very many belief systems all over this planet; they invented their teachings with supporting literature that can all be changed from time to time in order to maximize the money intake. You too can invent a new belief system and/or religious literature.
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On the other hand, if the current Archbishop of Canterbury is stepping down in part because some liberals are chiding him for not going along with same sex marriage, it is conceivable that the liberals are licking their lips in a sexy way at the thought of electing someone even more liberal who will, in fact, support gay marriage.
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Telling people to listen and obey God's word is good, but unless you yourself obey God's word the Bible, and follow the direction of Jesus, you are no different from the Atheist who also ignors God's word.
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Christian witness wrote:
Telling people to listen and obey God's word is good, but unless you yourself obey God's word the Bible, and follow the direction of Jesus, you are no different from the Atheist who also ignors God's word.
Well aren't you a little black hole of anti-Americanism. Sorry, pal. This is America. We have freedom of religion. No one is required to follow yours. You christians are all SO full of hubris.
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Mona Lott wrote:
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Well aren't you a little black hole of anti-Americanism. Sorry, pal. This is America. We have freedom of religion. No one is required to follow yours. You christians are all SO full of hubris.
I am not anti American, I obey the laws and rules of the road and I pay my taxes because I live in America, I expect to have the benefits of a good citizen.

You have freedom of religion because the American government has to be of and for the people it serves or it is a dictatorship.
True Christians are suppose to be examples of righteousness, I don't expect anyone to follow my teaching of the Bible, but I still have to obey God first, and his will is that people know his heavenly government is ruling right now, only over those who want a kingdom of righteousness to rule over them as Jehovah's witnesses.

Jesus set the perfect example of obedience, he is called the faithful witness. Rev. 1:5
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Christian witness wrote:
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I am not anti American, I obey the laws and rules of the road and I pay my taxes because I live in America, I expect to have the benefits of a good citizen.
You have freedom of religion because the American government has to be of and for the people it serves or it is a dictatorship.
True Christians are suppose to be examples of righteousness, I don't expect anyone to follow my teaching of the Bible, but I still have to obey God first, and his will is that people know his heavenly government is ruling right now, only over those who want a kingdom of righteousness to rule over them as Jehovah's witnesses.
Jesus set the perfect example of obedience, he is called the faithful witness. Rev. 1:5
You don't get it, do you? Your religion and your Buybull are trumped by the US Constitution. What you THINK your god wants or rules is irrelevant. This is America, and we are NOT a theocracy.

Besides, you just pick and choose from your Buybull. You certainly don't take this advice from Romans 13

Romans 13

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1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

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Mona Lott wrote:
... You certainly don't take this advice from Romans 13
Romans 13
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1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God ...
And you certainly didn't take this advice from Romans 1:26-27:

"Because of this [worshipping things instead of God], God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion ..."
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Jehovah's witnesses do not waste their time with people who cannot be reasoned with, if you are shown at least two Scriptures that prove what the witnesses preach is true, and you do not accept it, then your blood is on your own head.

We know that the U.S.A. is not a nation under God or even godly, but there are people who hate violence and immorality, these are the ones that we are trying to pursuade to see God's word is directing them today, if they want it.

My purpose on Topix is to print the truth, only the meek individual who reads it will know it is talking to him. Then he will have to exert himself to find the witnesses near him to be among God's people today.

That's the way God's will was done in the first century, and that's the way it is done today.
Jesus compared our day to the days before the flood, unless you are in the only ark available today, you are outside. Matthew 24:37,38

If you are not gathered with the subjects of Jesus as our reigning King ruling God's heavenly Kingdom government of righteousness, you have no share in the hope of everlasting life.
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Jehovah's witnesses do not waste their time with people who cannot be reasoned with, if you are shown at least two Scriptures that prove what the witnesses preach is true, and you do not accept it, then your blood is on your own head.
We know that the U.S.A. is not a nation under God or even godly, but there are people who hate violence and immorality, these are the ones that we are trying to pursuade to see God's word is directing them today, if they want it.
My purpose on Topix is to print the truth, only the meek individual who reads it will know it is talking to him. Then he will have to exert himself to find the witnesses near him to be among God's people today.
That's the way God's will was done in the first century, and that's the way it is done today.
Jesus compared our day to the days before the flood, unless you are in the only ark available today, you are outside. Matthew 24:37,38
If you are not gathered with the subjects of Jesus as our reigning King ruling God's heavenly Kingdom government of righteousness, you have no share in the hope of everlasting life.
2Peter 3:13
LOL!!!....

Dear "Christian witness,"

We welcome your comments among the Episcopalians and others here on the TOPIX Episcopal Church Forum.

Every time you post here, you show the significant differences in understanding between how Episcopalians regard their discipleship in Christ Jesus and how Jehovah's Witness advocates such as yourself operate. So, proselytize for the JW's all you want here.

And, if you can find anyone naive enough to believe what you are suggesting, please take them with you. They, who would follow the religious ideas claimed by the JW's, need the religious pablum that the JW's provide. You are welcome to these converts for as long as it takes for them to grow out of that need. If and when they do grow and come to a point of understanding where they no longer have need of what the JW's provide and would grow to instead prefer our views and support in the Way of Christ, our doors will be open to them and we will welcome them into Christ.

Until then, those who would go to the JW's are certainly welcome to do so and certainly do not need to ground their faith as we do; on the principles of scripture, tradition and reason, in the Teachings and Gospel of Christ Jesus.

Oh, and by the way, in contrast to the JW manner, we Episcopalians are proud of our patriotic heritage and our commitment to citizenship under the U. S. Constitution. Our regular Church Services include the "Prayers of the People" which specifically offer prayers for the health and viability of our leaders in government and for God's guidance through this leadership.

I personally, strongly disagree with any assertion on the part of the JW's that our citizenry and our government is not under God's guidance. On the contrary, though we are not perfect by any stretch of anyone's imagination, America has been very much a positive, God guided and inspired, force for good, politically, financially, environmentally, rightfully and spiritually for over 200 years.

Our Church was instrumental in the founding of the U.S.A. and we do and will remain active in helping to guide the citizenry into the universal principles of the Way of Christ.

May God Bless America.

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I never said the United States declaration or any other nations is not under the guidance of Almighty God Jehovah, the Scriptures at Romans 13, shows that all the laws and regulations are placed there for the protection of God's people.

Almighty God Jehovah does not bless this nation as better than any other nation on earth, Jehovah God views all the nations as wild beasts, for that is the way they have always treated his people.

The teachings of Jesus Christ have always been to adjust the thinking of God's people to pure worship of Jehovah God. It is religions that claim to be Christian that twist and refuse to accept God's word as the authority to obey. That is why these so called Christian religions are daughters of the whore of Revelation who sits as a queen over the people and is riding the scarlet colored wild beast of this world, who will destroy her very soon.

(Revelation 17:15-18) 15 And he says to me:“The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

When the end does come, everyone will be forced to know Jehovah God.
(Ezekiel 38:23). . .And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’

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I never said the United States declaration or any other nations is not under the guidance of Almighty God Jehovah, the Scriptures at Romans 13, shows that all the laws and regulations are placed there for the protection of God's people.
Almighty God Jehovah does not bless this nation as better than any other nation on earth, Jehovah God views all the nations as wild beasts, for that is the way they have always treated his people.
The teachings of Jesus Christ have always been to adjust the thinking of God's people to pure worship of Jehovah God. It is religions that claim to be Christian that twist and refuse to accept God's word as the authority to obey. That is why these so called Christian religions are daughters of the whore of Revelation who sits as a queen over the people and is riding the scarlet colored wild beast of this world, who will destroy her very soon.
(Revelation 17:15-18) 15 And he says to me:“The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”
When the end does come, everyone will be forced to know Jehovah God.
(Ezekiel 38:23). . .And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
LOL!!!....

Well, there you've said it again...in paragraph two above, despite your denials.

Here is a quote from your previous post:
"We know that the U.S.A. is not a nation under God or even godly, but there are people who hate violence and immorality, these are the ones that we are trying to pursuade to see God's word is directing them today, if they want it."

I know this is what JW's preach. So, there is no use in your trying to deny it. You indoctrinate your children to not stand up or join in reciting when the pledge of Allegiance is given in public schools. You teach them to not demonstrate any overt respect or display of patriotism regarding our Flag. You consider yourselves citizens only for the purpose of your own selfish devices and do not advocate support for any spiritual obligations of citizenship that are in the name of the United States of America.

Well, so what? This is what JW's do. Why should you deny it and then come right back and repeat it?

If anyone does not believe this, they can go to the local JW Kingdom Hall and listen and read. Of course, if you do, you need to prepare yourself to be spiritually accosted. But, if that is how you would like to spend your Saturday, its certainly none of my business.

Besides, Christ Jesus teaches that it doesn't matter whether you are Episcopal or JW, anyway.

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Jehovah's witnesses do not indoctrinate their children to not pledge the flag. Jehovah's witnesses teach by example how to be a true Christian, to be separate from naionalism, the worship of this or any nation.

Jehovah's witnesses do not pledge the flag, no matter what nation they live in, they do not go to war and kill their fellowman no matter what politics the government of that nation requires.

Jehovah's witnesses obey God's commandment to worship only the one true God Jehovah, we give our allegence or our life for God's heavenly government, not mans.

That is what being a true Christian was in the first century and it is the same today.

(John 17:14). . .I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.

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Christian witness wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses do not indoctrinate their children to not pledge the flag. Jehovah's witnesses teach by example how to be a true Christian, to be separate from naionalism, the worship of this or any nation.
Jehovah's witnesses do not pledge the flag, no matter what nation they live in, they do not go to war and kill their fellowman no matter what politics the government of that nation requires.
Jehovah's witnesses obey God's commandment to worship only the one true God Jehovah, we give our allegence or our life for God's heavenly government, not mans.
That is what being a true Christian was in the first century and it is the same today.
(John 17:14). . .I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
Sorry, Christian Witness, that you chose to discriminate in this manner.

And, yes, you do indoctrinate your children to not say the Pledge of Allegiance, including the Flag of the United States of America.

We all have civic duties, responsibilities and obligations. You and your fellow JW's choose to take advantage of the benefits and the freedoms of expression that our citizenship accords. But,you severely limit your participation and support of it and there is no sense in denying it.

But, that is your choice and your problem.

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Your patriotism is your support and worship of this nation, by saluting this nation as your god, your singing and praising this nation as your god and your willingness to die for this nation.

Jehovah's witnesses follow the example of Jesus and the early Christians who were put to death for not saluting the Roman flag or Caesar, rather than put any worship before Almighty God Jehovah.

Being a model citizen has nothing to do with politics, that is the governments channel for it's popularity in who will sit in the seat of authority. It's politics that pursuade the people to accomplish the will of the god of nationalism.

Unless you view this world as the Bible tells us to, you choose this world as your god. Jehovah's witnesses have the civic responsibility to obey the laws and pay our bills. Freedom of religion and speech is the citizen right of all Americans.
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And you certainly didn't take this advice from Romans 1:26-27:
"Because of this [worshipping things instead of God], God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion ..."
I'm not a christian. Why would I take advice from Romans 1?

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Your patriotism is your support and worship of this nation, by saluting this nation as your god, your singing and praising this nation as your god and your willingness to die for this nation.
Jehovah's witnesses follow the example of Jesus and the early Christians who were put to death for not saluting the Roman flag or Caesar, rather than put any worship before Almighty God Jehovah.
Being a model citizen has nothing to do with politics, that is the governments channel for it's popularity in who will sit in the seat of authority. It's politics that pursuade the people to accomplish the will of the god of nationalism.
Unless you view this world as the Bible tells us to, you choose this world as your god. Jehovah's witnesses have the civic responsibility to obey the laws and pay our bills. Freedom of religion and speech is the citizen right of all Americans.
LOL!!!...

Sorry, Mr. Christian [JW] witness,

No. Not as you have characterized it above. Not anything like what you have written or suggested.

I am an ordained priest and disciple of the Lord, Christ Jesus. I am a member of The Episcopal Church (formerly and formally PECUSA).

I do worship God, the Father and Mother, the parent, of us all, in whose image we are created, Self and Soul.

I am a citizen and patriot of the United States of America, as were my parents and their parents before them, some of whom served in the Armed Forces as their civic duty because they were called or they volunteered to do so. Not one of them worshipped our nation and neither do I.

However, I certainly do take my civic duties, responsibilities and obligations very seriously, including my conduct in lawful respect of the Constitution of the U.S.A. and its tenets and its claims of rights and freedoms for its citizenry. I also give due respect for our Flag and all that it represents, including a concerted effort to support individual freedom, rights and certain equalities and protections and the defense and promulgation of these ideas throughout the World. This I do for the betterment of Humanity.

The Gospel of Jesus, the Christ, demands that I do this. His Teachings and directives call for personal integrity, responsibility and full participation in the civic activities that set the course of the future of Humanity. Being in the world and not of it, requires a concerted effort to develop Love, Light and Life among all people in and under lawful principles, the best of which I find to be elucidated in the American Constitution written and adopted by our Founding Fathers (with the explicit support and direction of our Founding Mothers).

Anything less than this full participation as advocated by any institutional entity, though permitted and protected by the Constitution, I consider to be a very petty and insecure form of parochial and institutionalized selfishness. From my standpoint, as far as the Jehovah's Witnesses go, I will continue to teach and advocate the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be practiced with personal congruence as a citizen of these United States of America.

That will include the wholehearted recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance whenever I am asked or given the opportunity to say it aloud with my fellow citizens. I believe it is important for the civil health of our nation. Furthermore, though it is their right to decline to participate and I will defend this right, I choose to view those who do not participate to be shirking their civic responsibilities for selfish and poorly conceived reasons.

Nobody is perfect and the rights represented by our Flag are much more important to the life and success of Humanity than most people understand; especially those who choose to feed and thrive on those rights but, who do not choose to fully support them.

Do as you have the right to do, Mr [JW] Christian witness. But, do not expect me to allow you to forage unnoticed or unchallenged in the garden of my efforts.

Rev. Ken

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Then why would you bother to give advice from Romans 13 as it must mean nothing to you as well?
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The only Bible truth acceptable is that God loves this world of mankind, and he doe not want anyone to be destroyed at Armageddon, coming soon.
2Peter 3:11

The homosexual in the first century had to stop his conduct if he wanted to follow Jesus, and many of them did. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

Gay is another word for queer, a person who has sex relations with a member of his own sex.

This is proven by the fact that the queer has to pretend he is the female or the female pretends she is the male.

A person is not born that way or is homosexuality acceptable to true Christians as another lifestyle, it is gross wickedness or as the Bible says an abomination.

Being a homosexual was always a pagan practice and never acceptable to Almighty God Jehovah, the Jews were put to death for any immoral sexual conduct under the Law.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The only Bible truth acceptable is that God loves this world of mankind, and he doe not want anyone to be destroyed at Armageddon, coming soon.
2Peter 3:11
The homosexual in the first century had to stop his conduct if he wanted to follow Jesus, and many of them did. 1Corinthians 6:9-11
Gay is another word for queer, a person who has sex relations with a member of his own sex.
This is proven by the fact that the queer has to pretend he is the female or the female pretends she is the male.
A person is not born that way or is homosexuality acceptable to true Christians as another lifestyle, it is gross wickedness or as the Bible says an abomination.
Being a homosexual was always a pagan practice and never acceptable to Almighty God Jehovah, the Jews were put to death for any immoral sexual conduct under the Law.
No they weren't, they were to BATHE. You're talking to a JEW.

Being homosexual is a pagan practice?

LMFAO!!

Good to see your true colors, the true colors of all snobbish JW's, the lack of conviction in the will of God, the arrogance and the stupidity of being 'right' while the rest of the world is wrong.

LOL......

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