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Jan 28, 2013 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.943wsc.com

Nineteen parishes and six worship groups in South Carolina remain with The Episcopal Church ...

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"At the convention, images of the seal were obscured and the name 'the Diocese of South Carolina" was replaced with "The Episcopal Church in South Carolina.' That's because a state judge has ruled that only the diocese that left can use the name Diocese of South Carolina."

Thou shalt not steal the religious identity of others.
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Why do they want to use the name associating them with the Episcopal Church when they say they are not Episcopalian but Anglican now? They left. Why do they want to steal the name when they are actually the church of Mark Lawrence who is not even an Episcopal Priest anymore by his own decision to renounce his orders? He even stated publicly, "I am no longer an Episcopalian." He had all his following clergy attend the Mere Anglican Convention this past weekend instead of the Episcopal Church Convention. So it doesn't make sense to want the things that make you Episcopal when you are trying so hard to become Anglican.
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First Circuit Judge Diane Goodstein in Dorchester County considered the injunction ex parte, meaning that attorneys for the Episcopal Church or the continuing Dxxxxxx of Sxxxx Cxxxxxxx were not allowed to argue their side of the issues.
Andrew Platte, an attorney for several of the Lawrence congregations and the PECDSC Incorporated, is a recent law clerk for Judge Goodstein and has taken a important role in the recent legal attacks on Episcopalians in the Diocese. He is an associate in the firm of Speights and Runyon, which played a significant role in convincing parishes in the Diocese that the Episcopal Church might be preparing to take their property.

It is only a temporary injunction and even if the hearing Friday in Richland County leaves it this way I like The Episcopal Church in SC better. It better describes us anyway. Better statement might be Thou shalt not steal the property of TEC and give it away without the consent of TEC. Thou shalt uphold and adhere to your vows to follow the Doctrine, Canons and rules of TEC which you swore to when they made you a Bishop in the first place (after having to work pretty hard to get you in).

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Rebecca wrote:
... So it doesn't make sense to want the things that make you Episcopal when you are trying so hard to become Anglican.
Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?

And do you have a link for your claims re Lawrence?

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Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?
And do you have a link for your claims re Lawrence?
LOL!!!....

Funny how you have never acknowledged the "separate, but equal" relationship that PECUSA (now TEC) originally established as a member of the Anglican Communion. The concept is apparently foreign to one like yourself, who often relies on Roman Catholic dogma. TEC is not functioning as a British subject.

Read up on the Scottish Rite. As a hint, consider just how amenable the Scots have been over the centuries to taking direction from the British monarchy and the Anglican high priest.

What links? Former bishop Lawrence has renounced those links and they have been revoked. Kind of a mutual agreement to disagree, wouldn't you say?

You're funny, buddy. A person who is obviously witnessing the whole series of events firsthand shows up to tell about it, and what do you want from her?

Do you want firsthand information, which she is obviously providing, including an insight into the politics of the actions of the Circuit Judge? Or just some kind of documentary verification that you do not really want and would discount anyway, if it was given.

Sorry, bud. Your request for "links" for "claims" is a trivial pursuit.

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LOL!!!....
Funny how you have never acknowledged the "separate, but equal" relationship that PECUSA (now TEC) originally established as a member of the Anglican Communion ...
Funny how you have never acknowledged my query:
Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?

Yes, or no?

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Funny how you have never acknowledged my query:
Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?
Yes, or no?
Balderdash!

I acknowledged The Episcopal Church participation in the Anglican Communion in the previous post!

So, quite obviously, yes? Just as I have always said. Why do you persist in showing yourself to be so ignorant of this?

It is Presiding Bishop Katherine Jefferts-Schori who has repeatedly touted this participation that is such a difficulty for the representatives of ACNA and Global South, Gregory Venables.

So, one wonders what misrepresentation you are trying to foist and for what purpose, since what you say above is obviously not true.

What is true, however, is that any Episcopalian can choose to not take part in any part of such Anglican Communion. Such participation is purely and spiritually voluntary.

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Balderdash!
I acknowledged The Episcopal Church participation in the Anglican Communion in the previous post!
So, quite obviously, yes?...
Yes, all Episcopalians are Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion.

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Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?
And do you have a link for your claims re Lawrence?
No, they're not all Anglican, at least according to the Anglicans:

January 22, 2013
Bad News for Renegade "Diocese": Don't Pack Your Bags for London

Church of England Bishop reportedly tells dissident clergy Lawrence's "diocese" is not destined for the Anglican Communion

Mark Lawrence’s new “diocese” will not be joining the Anglican Communion any time soon. Neither will any of the South Carolina parishes that have chosen to leave Episcopal Church.

That was the grim news delivered to clergy who have recently aligned themselves with Lawrence's Protestant Episcopal Church in the Diocese of South Carolina Inc.(PECDSC Inc.) at a clergy conference two weeks ago.

For several years, clergy followers of Lawrence have quietly assured their parishioners that they would continue to be Anglicans, even if they split from the Episcopal Church. However, it is now clear that there never was a basis for such a claim.

According to reports, Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, retired Bishop of Rochester, said individual dioceses or parishes cannot be members of the Anglican Communion, except through one of its provinces. In the United States, the only province recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the Communion, is the Episcopal Church.

More at: http://scepiscopalians.com/

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Yes, all Episcopalians are Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion.
Again, personal participation in the Anglican Communion is voluntary. Not all Episcopalians regard themselves as either Anglicans or members of the Anglican Communion.

So, yes, as to The Episcopal Church being a member of the Churches represented in the Anglican Communion.

No, as to all Episcopalians personally recognizing and taking part in that Communion. The break occurred at the time of the Revolutionary War. The organizational rejoining occurred in the early 1800's.

Personal participation - and in Spirit - is not mandatory. It is a personal choice and is voluntary.

Get it? Apparently not.

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Again, personal participation in the Anglican Communion is voluntary. Not all Episcopalians regard themselves as either Anglicans or members of the Anglican Communion.
So, yes, as to The Episcopal Church being a member of the Churches represented in the Anglican Communion.
No, as to all Episcopalians personally recognizing and taking part in that Communion ...
A lack of personal participation in that Communion doesn't stop a portion of their offerings to TEC from going into it.

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A lack of personal participation in that Communion doesn't stop a portion of their offerings to TEC from going into it.
Why? If a person gives to the plate and in the Spirit, specifically designs the benefit of his or her contribution, who are you to say that their prayer is not answered and honored?

In fact, it is the height of arrogance to suppose that their prayer is NOT honored.

Because TA pays his federal income taxes, does that mean that he supports abortions conducted under the Planned Parenthood operations?

Certainly not and he will tell you so, righteously!

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Why?...
Because a lack of personal participation in that Communion still doesn't stop a portion of their offerings to TEC from going into it.

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Aren't all Episcopalians Anglicans, part of the world-wide Anglican Communion?
And do you have a link for your claims re Lawrence?
No they are not. Why would you lie about something that is so easily checked out?

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL...and the ones who are leaving may leave but they may not take anything with them. This will ALL be settled and it will not fare well for those who left.

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Because a lack of personal participation in that Communion still doesn't stop a portion of their offerings to TEC from going into it.
The gift is made by the one who is giving; not by the one who is receiving.

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No they are not. Why would you lie about something that is so easily checked out?...
The FACT is that TEC is part of the Worldwide Anglican Communion, hence its members are all Anglicans, although not all Anglicans are Episcopalians.

Or does simple logic confuse you.

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The FACT is that TEC is part of the Worldwide Anglican Communion, hence its members are all Anglicans, although not all Anglicans are Episcopalians.
Or does simple logic confuse you.
Sorry, Joe.

You keep trying to deny that an Episcopalian can personally choose to NOT participate in the "Anglican Communion."

We can choose to not participate. No Episcopalian is required to identify as an Anglican. Many do. But, it is not a mandatory association.

Even the Episcopal Church itself, as a policy of the whole, regards its participation in the Anglican Communion to be strictly voluntary and a matter of our choice. Nothing mandatory about it.

Its just a fact of life. Many Episcopalians simply do not regard themselves as Anglicans. They flatly deny it. It is their choice.

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Its just a fact of life. Many Episcopalians simply do not regard themselves as Anglicans. They flatly deny it ...
In TEC today, denying reality has become a way of life.
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In TEC today, denying reality has become a way of life.
Sorry Joe but on this score, I happen to agree with the fraudulent one. There are Episcopalians who are not Christians. There are Episcopalians who are Muslims, Wiccans, Druids and pagans of every stripe. To say they are Anglicans, to me, implies that they are Christians whose worship is rooted in the Bible, the Book of Common prayer and the history and traditions of the catholic church. Merely attending an Episcopal church no more makes one an Anglican Christian than getting your haircut makes you a barber. Every Christian in the Epicopal Organization would almost certainly be an Anglican but their numbers are becoming fewer with every passing day.

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Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Because a lack of personal participation in that Communion still doesn't stop a portion of their offerings to TEC from going into it.
No, they're not all Anglican, at least according to the Anglicans:

January 22, 2013
Bad News for Renegade "Diocese": Don't Pack Your Bags for London

Church of England Bishop reportedly tells dissident clergy Lawrence's "diocese" is not destined for the Anglican Communion

Mark Lawrence’s new “diocese” will not be joining the Anglican Communion any time soon. Neither will any of the South Carolina parishes that have chosen to leave Episcopal Church.

That was the grim news delivered to clergy who have recently aligned themselves with Lawrence's Protestant Episcopal Church in the Diocese of South Carolina Inc.(PECDSC Inc.) at a clergy conference two weeks ago.

For several years, clergy followers of Lawrence have quietly assured their parishioners that they would continue to be Anglicans, even if they split from the Episcopal Church. However, it is now clear that there never was a basis for such a claim.

According to reports, Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, retired Bishop of Rochester, said individual dioceses or parishes cannot be members of the Anglican Communion, except through one of its provinces. In the United States, the only province recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the Communion, is the Episcopal Church.

More at: http://scepiscopalians.com/

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