All eyes on Texas, S.C. property fights

All eyes on Texas, S.C. property fights

There are 43 comments on the Religion News Service story from Feb 18, 2013, titled All eyes on Texas, S.C. property fights. In it, Religion News Service reports that:

When disgruntled congregations have left hierarchical denominations such as the Episcopal Church, they've often lost property battles as civil courts ruled buildings and land are not theirs to keep ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

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#1 Feb 19, 2013
from Religion News Service:

"The Episcopal Church argues, as it has in past cases, that local properties are held in trust for the denomination and can’t go with parishioners who choose to disaffiliate. But recent court actions are giving breakaway groups hope that things might go differently this time.

"In South Carolina, plaintiffs are encouraged by a 2009 ruling by the state Supreme Court that allowed All Saints Church of Pawley’s Island to retain property despite having left the Episcopal Church. If other breakaway churches have similar documents as All Saints did – deeds and contracts that show no intention to hold property in trust for the Episcopal Church – then they could win, according to Lloyd Lunceford, a Louisiana attorney and editor of 'A Guide to Church Property Law.'

"'When no trust exists at all, the local church wins,' Lunceford said.'The South Carolina Supreme Court, like many state supreme courts, has held that the mere presence of an assertion of a trust (existing) in a denominational constitution is insufficient to create a valid legal trust. There has to be more.'"

More than the so called Dennis Canon!

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#2 Feb 19, 2013
OFTEN LOST...LOST EVERY TIME is more like it.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#3 Feb 19, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
OFTEN LOST...LOST EVERY TIME is more like it.
Joline is more concerned with tearing sown than building up.

Let him dig his own grave.

Sometimes you can't lead a jack ass to water.....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#4 Feb 19, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
Sometimes you can't lead a jack ass to water.....
... yet PB Schori managed to lead you and the other continuing Episcopalians into the "red".

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#5 Feb 20, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... yet PB Schori managed to lead you and the other continuing Episcopalians into the "red".
You can not love both God and Mammon for you will love one and hate the other.

Heard of Jesus?

LOL....

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#6 Feb 20, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... yet PB Schori managed to lead you and the other continuing Episcopalians into the "red".
Well, if you think that these lawsuits are costing TEC, what do you think they are costing the people who absconded with the Church financial assets?

More than a few bags of peanuts?... Maybe?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#7 Feb 20, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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You can not love both God and Mammon for you will love one and hate the other.
Heard of Jesus?...
Have you heard His parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30)?
RevKen wrote:
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Well, if you think that these lawsuits are costing TEC, what do you think they are costing the people who absconded with the Church financial assets?...
In South Carolina, plaintiffs are encouraged by a 2009 ruling by the state Supreme Court that allowed All Saints Church of Pawley’s Island to retain property despite having left the Episcopal Church ...

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#8 Feb 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Have you heard His parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30)?
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In South Carolina, plaintiffs are encouraged by a 2009 ruling by the state Supreme Court that allowed All Saints Church of Pawley’s Island to retain property despite having left the Episcopal Church ...
I understand how the South Carolina Court came to their finding.

No doubt, similar findings will be found, again, in south Carolina and some other places.

A few years ago, in St. Louis, a Polish Catholic Church objected to the demands of their Roman Bishop and Cardinal.

They chose to secede from the Roman Catholic Church on similar grounds. The idea they followed was that they chose to join. So, they can choose and did choose to unjoin.

Understood.

But, in the great majority of these Episcopal Church determinations, it is going to be found that the time for a Parish to assert independence will have been the period immediately following the passing of the Dennis Canon. As for an entire Diocese, the same goes.

Except that I think individual Parishes within such a Diocese will have a legitimate right to stay with TEC, instead of going along with the secessionists. A good case can be made in this direction, even if the loyalists are in a minority.

Hence, lawsuit. The only alternative is an out of court settlement with an agreement to account for and divide assets. Some cases will go this way. But, when a bishop up and declares that he revokes his or her affiliation with the hierarchy and name of the Church and simultaneously lays claim to the Church assets, there is hypocrisy afoot.

It will be found out and a reckoning will be made, even if no other result than the debilitating expense of divorce is to be endured.

"What God hath joined together, let no man put asunder."

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

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#9 Feb 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
... "What God hath joined together, let no man put asunder."
Rev. Ken
No "man" did: PB Kate Schori put TEC "asunder".

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#10 Feb 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No "man" did: PB Kate Schori put TEC "asunder".
LOL!!!...

Back on the harp, playing that old tune again?

Never was a hit. Ain't gonna sell any better today, Joe.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#11 Feb 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Have you heard His parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30)?
...
Why yes, why do you bury yours?

FEAR!

You don't know God or you wouldn't fear Him, you'd be humbled and loving.

Poor poor joline.

Don't get down on TEC for doing what Jesus commanded, unless of course, you are working for the accuser...

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#12 Feb 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!...
Back on the harp, playing that old tune again?
Never was a hit. Ain't gonna sell any better today, Joe.
It's that roman upbringing, to hate women....
George

Jacksonville, FL

#13 Feb 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!...
Back on the harp, playing that old tune again?
Never was a hit. Ain't gonna sell any better today, Joe.
Tell that to the many tens of thousands who have left TEO to join ACNA churches not to mention those who have gone to non-Anglican denominations. TEO membership numbers, attendance and the average age of its remaining parishioners sure suggests that fewer and fewer are buying what she is selling.

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#15 Feb 21, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I didn't; you see my "talent" every time I edit this forum.
In that case, you might consider burying it.

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#16 Feb 22, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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In that case, you might consider burying it.
How typical of an Episcopal priest to even suggest contradicting scripture.

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#17 Feb 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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How typical of an Episcopal priest to even suggest contradicting scripture.
Anyone can quote scripture to make a point.

I did not suggest contradicting scripture. I merely made fun of your claim to editing.

Apology submitted.

But, you made yourself open to the snide comment by repeatedly choosing bogus, opinionated material from Virtueonline.

You really ought to work a little harder to find thread topics that lead to better discussions.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#18 Feb 22, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Anyone can quote scripture to make a point.
I did not suggest contradicting scripture. I merely made fun of your claim to editing.
Apology submitted.
But, you made yourself open to the snide comment by repeatedly choosing bogus, opinionated material from Virtueonline.
You really ought to work a little harder to find thread topics that lead to better discussions ...
Any suggestions?
The more mundane topics on the main page hardly get any comments.

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#19 Feb 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Any suggestions?
The more mundane topics on the main page hardly get any comments.
Not directly. But, instead of taking ALL of your choices of topics from sources that are adverse in opinion or philosophy to TEC, every now and then go across the line and pick something that shows TEC doing things that are positive in the Gospel.

If you can't bring yourself to do this very often, we will understand why. But, I believe you can do this without compromising your personal views.

Some of the longest and most frequently commented-upon threads have not necessarily been directly negative to TEC, just demonstrative of controversial positions.

RK

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 Feb 23, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Not directly. But, instead of taking ALL of your choices of topics from sources that are adverse in opinion or philosophy to TEC, every now and then go across the line and pick something that shows TEC doing things that are positive in the Gospel ...
What PB Schori considers "positive" is not always in the best interest of furthering the Christian Gospel.

BTW, this story is from Religion News Service; even roboblogger gets lucky now and then.

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#21 Feb 23, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Not directly. But, instead of taking ALL of your choices of topics from sources that are adverse in opinion or philosophy to TEC, every now and then go across the line and pick something that shows TEC doing things that are positive in the Gospel.
If you can't bring yourself to do this very often, we will understand why. But, I believe you can do this without compromising your personal views.
Some of the longest and most frequently commented-upon threads have not necessarily been directly negative to TEC, just demonstrative of controversial positions.
RK
His time for choosing our stories is effectively OVER! The best part will be NO DAVID VIRTUE!

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