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There are 1053 comments on the Time story from Jul 16, 2012, titled God and Gays: The Rite to Bless Same-sex Unions. In it, Time reports that:

There is something by now familiar, even reassuring, about what happens in my church every third summer.

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#854 Nov 19, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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Paul understood life as well or better as the next person. He would have well understood the difference between choosing to do something and being made to do something by others in higher authority.
So once converted to Jesus's gospel, I'm sure his speaking against sex outside of marriage was mainly meant for those that had the power to make their own choice and, weren't being forced to do something they might not other wise do. Don't you think?
You are still ignoring the context of time and culture.

I'm not saying they were forced to do anything. I am saying they were enculturated to believe they were pleasing the pagan fertility gods. They believed going to "church" and performing the rituals as they had been instructed was what the gods wanted, and by pleasing the gods, their lives would be better. While some were surely in full support, others surely were not. A modern comparison would be that many would rather stay home and watch the game, but they go to church because they were taught from birth it pleases God, and their parents and social group expect it from them as well. While willing participants, they are not always fully engaged.

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#855 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Gnostic ignorance is all the proof necessary.
"Gnothi Seuton"

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#857 Nov 19, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2 012/11/19/are-liberals-smarter -study-indicates-the-answer-is -yes/
Yes, we are smarter.
"Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow there, firm as weeds among stones.” Charlotte Bronte

“For this reason...”

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#859 Nov 19, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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"How does the Bible address homosexuality - the word didn't even exist until 1869? The word first appeared in Germany to describe the theory that from birth some people are predisposed toward persons of the same sex. Since the biblical languages (Hebrew and Greek) had no words for heterosexual or homosexual, it is anachronistic and misleading when homosexual is used to translate a biblical text. It is wrong to proclaim the biblical view of homosexuality since there is none. This violates the integrity of the individual texts and the biblical witness as a whole. Each reference to what is today homosexuality must be read in the light of the particular literary, cultural, and historic contexts of any particular passage.
If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic." (Rev. Dr. Mel White)
Straw man.

I did not "proclaim the biblical view of homosexuality" but rather of same sex relations.

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#860 Nov 19, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Neither does it expressly uphold Chevrolet nor recognise the Lunar Excursion Module.
I vote for our fruit over yours.
Same sex relations existed at the time, Chevrolet and the lunar excursion module did not.

“... truth will out.”

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#861 Nov 19, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
...Yes, we are smarter.
No, you are not.

"A communications manager doesn't think it was smart for the Episcopal Church to essentially strip its South Carolina bishop of his ministry credentials for taking a stand for biblical principles and values ..."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2012/10/22/b...

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#862 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, you are not.
"A communications manager doesn't think it was smart for the Episcopal Church to essentially strip its South Carolina bishop of his ministry credentials for taking a stand for biblical principles and values ..."
http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2012/10/22/b...
Traitors...and they can leave the keys on the table when they walk out the door.

“... truth will out.”

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#863 Nov 19, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Traitors...and they can leave the keys on the table when they walk out the door.
Episcopalians who stand for biblical principles and values are traitors?

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#864 Nov 19, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Same sex relations existed at the time, Chevrolet and the lunar excursion module did not.
Change happens. Progress ensues.

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#866 Nov 19, 2012
Prejudice and harming others needlessly may be biblical values, but they are not Christian values. Jesus stressed treating others as he would treat us, with love.

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#867 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Episcopalians who stand for biblical principles and values are traitors?
Do you mean the whole Love God and Love your neighbor? You can't get those two, how could you possibly understand anything further?

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#868 Nov 19, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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I think Sh'aul is never have known to quote Jesus but plagiarizes Plato.
Sh'aul never worked with Jesus.
I'll stick with Yeshua......
1900 years later we have people claiming to know what Jesus said and meant and what God wants from us and, they expect us to trust that what they say is good as gold cause the spirit of God told them what to tell us.
So personally, I'll rely on the guys that supposedly lived during Jesus's time and shortly after his death, that includes Paul concerning what they say Jesus said and meant and what God wants from us.

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#869 Nov 19, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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You are still ignoring the context of time and culture.
I'm not saying they were forced to do anything. I am saying they were enculturated to believe they were pleasing the pagan fertility gods. They believed going to "church" and performing the rituals as they had been instructed was what the gods wanted, and by pleasing the gods, their lives would be better. While some were surely in full support, others surely were not. A modern comparison would be that many would rather stay home and watch the game, but they go to church because they were taught from birth it pleases God, and their parents and social group expect it from them as well. While willing participants, they are not always fully engaged.
If the common type individual with citizenship status were used for prostitutes in the temples, your point would be quite valid as you write your position.
Common people/people with citizenship status usually weren't used for prostitution in or out of temple rituals. slaves were usually used. Pompeii is an example where slaves were mostly used for sexual acts in or out of temples. People with citizenship usually didn't become a prostitute though I am sure there are examples of it happening.
That's why I say those in the temples were usually forced into those sexual acts because of their slave status. They had no choice. Obey they lived, disobey and they could die or be sold to a worst task master. cultured citizens with citizenship status from birth or who earned it, usually didn't have to be a prostitute as a form of work. See the difference?

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#870 Nov 19, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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"Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow there, firm as weeds among stones.” Charlotte Bronte
012/11/19/are-liberals-smarter -study-indicates-the-answer-is -yes/

Being smarter doesn't prove one is wiser then the rest. Obama is a far left democratic liberal with socialistic leaning.
His liberal smarts endorsed a literal free cell phone for those that couldn't afford one. His liberal smarts advertised to the illegal aliens that coming here would get them free health care, free food stamps, and a cash stipend each month. His liberal smarts endorsed free contraceptives for the sexually active so they didn't have to pay anything in some cases, very little in other cases. When Obama was putting his Obama health care plan to the people, a segment of the society that absolutely love his freebies, they interpreted what he said that they were getting free health care for a long while.
Liberal smarts says shut down the oil companies that want to keep drilling for more oil. But they don't have a clue what we'll do for energy or petroleum made replacements as oil isn't produced any more. The liberal mind set grabbed the ethanol from corn idea. Unfortunately for a smart idea, it drove up corn prices and grocery products using corn syrup because there is now less corn for corn syrup products.
Care to go over some other "smart" liberal idealisms that are causing California's massive debt and this nations financial crisis? How about the Obama liberal idea to down size the military? Or how about the democratic liberal super smart Obama administration that claims it doesn't know what's happening within itself? Yeah, smart is smart but it sure does't mean wisdom is attached to those smarts :)P

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#871 Nov 19, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Prejudice and harming others needlessly may be biblical values, but they are not Christian values. Jesus stressed treating others as he would treat us, with love.
Umm yes they are Christian values. Christ himself said...
27"You have heard that it was said,'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Divorce
31"It has been said,'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'[f] 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Do note in the above concerning marriage, Jesus reaffirms what modern homosexuals have judged people now as being, that he also was a homophobic prejudicial bigot as he doesn't include same sex couples in verse 31.
Your modern rendition of Jesus in no way or manner matches the Jesus that is recorded in the NT. Do you know he said if you hurt a person of innocence (as like a child), without stating what kind of hurt, that you should drown yourself in some deep water?
The Jesus of the NT taught love and forgiveness but he was for capitol punishment it could well be said.

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#872 Nov 20, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Do you mean the whole Love God and Love your neighbor? You can't get those two, how could you possibly understand anything further?
A variation of the age old argument to continue in sin that grace may abound.

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#873 Nov 20, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
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1900 years later we have people claiming to know what Jesus said and meant and what God wants from us and, they expect us to trust that what they say is good as gold cause the spirit of God told them what to tell us.
So personally, I'll rely on the guys that supposedly lived during Jesus's time and shortly after his death, that includes Paul concerning what they say Jesus said and meant and what God wants from us.
Yes. You are a Saulian.

btw: Ever notice that Saul NEVER quotes Yeshua? Not once.

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#874 Nov 20, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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A variation of the age old argument to continue in sin that grace may abound.
Grace isn't a thing.

“... truth will out.”

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#875 Nov 20, 2012
snyper wrote:
... Ever notice that Saul NEVER quotes Yeshua? Not once.
In Acts 20:35, Paul recalls the words of the Lord Jesus, "It is more blessed to give than to receive ..."

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