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Michael Gilmour: 10 Observations About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Book of Revelation

There are 31 comments on the The Huffington Post story from Apr 1, 2013, titled Michael Gilmour: 10 Observations About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Book of Revelation. In it, The Huffington Post reports that:

The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society's "Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand!" is a fairly substantial commentary of John's Apocalypse that claims wide distribution, with apparently 16.6 million copies in its various incarnations printed in 51 languages by the time of the 1988 edition in my possession .

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unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#1 Apr 2, 2013
interesting
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#2 Apr 2, 2013
Yes, very interesting.
someone who cares

Kitchener, Canada

#3 Apr 2, 2013
unlisted wrote:
interesting
Listen, Jahovas witness organization is a false organization started less than 70 years ago. Jahovas and Ja are the names of the male and female version of God according to the Kabalah.... it is irrelevant to even use the names of God, because the true form of God exists in everything that lives, is and was created and non-created.

The Jahova witness organization leads it's follower away from the reasoning of the "Christ" and the Holy Spirit.... which make the Jahovas witness organization a non-Christian organization. The organization will manipulate you to take your money, lead you away from the reason why Christ came on this earth the truth of Christianity ....

get away from the non-historic and brain washing organization. it has no historical background and take verses out of the bible to make their own story... they pump you up with fear and send you off to support their money making organization.

and stop coming to my house because your watch tower is

Since: Feb 07

RI

#4 Apr 2, 2013
Fascinating to see how others view these great spiritual feasts provided by the WTS.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#5 Apr 2, 2013
When reading ANY OF THE WT EDITORIAL staff's published works

one must at all times keep in mind the following

re chap. 2 p. 9 The Grand Theme of the Bible ***

Interpreting the Scriptures

"It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible"

##########

Now when a writer or publisher puts this type of Disclaimer in their published material what are they really saying??

AKA

"The following material you are about to read is subject to be Completely Wrong, subject to revision, changes, and completely dropped at anytime.

But in the MEANTIME you have to accept it as THE VOICE OF GOD"

“Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God.“( Watchtower 6/15/1957, p. 370)
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#6 Apr 2, 2013
When reading the wt published material keep in mind at all times that the wt speaks out BOTH SIDES OF THEIR MOUTH

just to cover themselves i guess

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NOTE HOW jw hold two completely positions and consider both correct at the same time

1.

re chap. 2 p. 9 The Grand Theme of the Bible ***

Interpreting the Scriptures

"It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible"

VS

2.

1928 "The writer does not give his opinion. No human interpretation of scripture is advanced." (Reconciliation, 1928, p. 6)

3.

1931 The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of any of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower.(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#7 Apr 3, 2013
jace wrote:
When reading the wt published material keep in mind at all times that the wt speaks out BOTH SIDES OF THEIR MOUTH
just to cover themselves i guess
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NOTE HOW jw hold two completely positions and consider both correct at the same time
1.
re chap. 2 p. 9 The Grand Theme of the Bible ***
Interpreting the Scriptures
"It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible"
VS
2.
1928 "The writer does not give his opinion. No human interpretation of scripture is advanced." (Reconciliation, 1928, p. 6)
3.
1931 The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of any of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower.(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)
You haven't really read what you wrote.
Read it again and you just might notice this:
2.
1928: They are referring to SCRIPTURE.
3.
They are referring to the WATCHTOWER magazine, not scripture.

POINT:
Where is the claim for infallibility?
You are watching for a limping - you can't find any, so you make them up, just as you made up that stuff about banning.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#8 Apr 3, 2013
wilson wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't really read what you wrote.
Read it again and you just might notice this:
2.
1928: They are referring to SCRIPTURE.
3.
They are referring to the WATCHTOWER magazine, not scripture.
POINT:
Where is the claim for infallibility?
You are watching for a limping - you can't find any, so you make them up, just as you made up that stuff about banning.
Defending the Watchtower Society is impossible because they dealt you a bad hand.

And, if your elders knew that you are on here with us they would take away any privileges you might have at the moment, including cleaning the bathroom toilets.
Monkeymenotboy

United States

#9 Apr 3, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Defending the Watchtower Society is impossible because they dealt you a bad hand.
And, if your elders knew that you are on here with us they would take away any privileges you might have at the moment, including cleaning the bathroom toilets.
Unchained smoker,by some tic tacks.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#10 Apr 3, 2013
wilson wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't really read what you wrote.
Read it again and you just might notice this:
2.
1928: They are referring to SCRIPTURE.
3.
They are referring to the WATCHTOWER magazine, not scripture.
POINT:
Where is the claim for infallibility?
You are watching for a limping - you can't find any, so you make them up, just as you made up that stuff about banning.
Wilson is an example of a Sincere JW that wants to defend the WT Editorial staff of writers and what they say

in order to do so typically a jw literally must try to REWRITE, revise or re-explain WHAT THE WT HAS SAID even though anyone can read it for themselves

so to help him we will go point by point

first off i stated:

"the wt speaks out BOTH SIDES OF THEIR MOUTH"

and then i stated the reason why

"just to cover themselves"

so what that means is you will find the wt saying one thing one day and another thing the next

So i cited some examples of what the WT EDitorial staff has said about its published material

1.

re chap. 2 p. 9 The Grand Theme of the Bible ***

Interpreting the Scriptures

"It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible"

Now the above sound very reasonable and logically considering that they are going to provide "commentary" on material that follows

now most folks who publish any kind of publication would find the wt quote in good taste and reason

they are letting their readers know up front that our conmentary merely reflects OUR VIEWS, OUR UNDERSTANDING -

therefore disagree with what we have published merely means you are disagreeing with the WT Editorial staff of writers

most folks understand that point in regards to any group, organization, company, etc that puts out printed material

NOW NOTICE THE COMPLETE REVERSAL

2.

1928

"The writer does not give his opinion. No human interpretation of scripture is advanced." (Reconciliation, 1928, p. 6)

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NOW real bible students understand that there are ONLY TWO types of interpretations

1. Ones from Men - which is subject to be completely wrong

2. Ones from God - NEVER SUBJECT TO BE WRONG as in the case of David- the cupbear and the king

so when a publisher of religious genre material states that NO HUMAN INTERPRETATION is going to be presented, then WHOSE INTERPRETATION is it going to be from ???? God

now it gets worse

3.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man-

or set of any of men,-

nor is it published according to the whims of men.

No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower.

(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)

#########

now for everyone who lives OUT SIDE OF THE MAKE BELIEVE WORLD OF JW
they fully understand what any publisher of any material is claiming when they make the claimes above..

any book produced by an American Publishing company that claims its publication is NOT THE INSTRUMENT OF MAN, has gone off the deep end by claiming ITS FROM GOD and if it is from God then by DEFAULT IT WILL BE INFALLIBLE

THE WT is published ENTIRELY at the whim of the WRiting dept and as for NO MAN OPINION is expressed in the WT

who are they kidding

so the poster is trying so hard to RE-EXPLAIN WHAT THE WT HAS SAID

so on one day they say what we publish ain't infallible the next they claim it is from God and on human opinions are in it

yes wt speaks out both sides of their mouth all the time

holding 2 opposing views at the same time
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#11 Apr 3, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Defending the Watchtower Society is impossible because they dealt you a bad hand.
And, if your elders knew that you are on here with us they would take away any privileges you might have at the moment, including cleaning the bathroom toilets.
when will they learn they have a bad hand given to them on so many topics
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#12 Apr 3, 2013
Wilson did not read the commentary from the newspaper article for if he had HE WOULD HAVE SEEN how nonjw view the WT Editorial staff
they refer to the wt using mere "commentary" as establishing THEIR AUTHORITY

YES COMMENTARY

note:

Commentary as Religious Authority

" There is no identification of an author or authors, an absence that perhaps enhances its authoritative tone.

"Added to this are recurring doubts about the integrity or acumen of Bible interpreters outside the organization, which effectively encourages trust in the commentary itself and those responsible for it."

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YEP only the wt writers can give the correct explanation is what writer noticed right off the bat

but notice what the articles writer notices

"Suspicions About Alternative Readings and the Absence of Ambiguity"

"RGCH (referring to the boys in writing) sets itself in strong opposition to other interpretations of Revelation."

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now notice how THE ARTICLE SHOWS WT HYPOCRISY

" Academic biblical scholars are deemed "Worldly commentators" (120) even though, oddly, there are occasional appeals to scholarly resources (e.g., 13, 191, 175, 151, 187, 188).

Various mainstream (though usually quite dated) books are cited including James B. Pritchard's "Ancient Near Eastern Texts" (1950, 1955, 1969 [13]), Henry Barclay Swete's "Commentary on Revelation" (1906, 1907 [151]), Joseph Thayer's "The New Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament" (first published 1885 [294]), and Guenter Lewy's "The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany" (first published 1964 [270])."

#######

YES DOG worldly bible scholars and then quote them in the next breath

it gets worst........

conti
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#13 Apr 3, 2013
contin

"There is no dialogue with contemporary biblical scholarship and from the point of view of this commentary there is no need to do so because there is no ambiguity or uncertainty about the meaning of Revelation. We find here the bold assertion that,

"The entire book of Revelation is explained in this publication"

(5). Though RGCH makes no claim to infallibility

(9) this commentary assumes that no uncertainties about the meaning of Revelation remain. This is carefully qualified because clarity of understanding is contingent on God's illumination and progressive revelation.

This means doctrinal positions are subject to adjustment over time (8-9). The book begins with a rehearsal of the organization's history of formal study of the Book of Revelation beginning in 1917. Variations in this tradition of interpretation occur for two primary reasons, namely the unfolding of world events and continual but gradual revelation from Jehovah (8).

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this writer see right thru the wt editorial stafff as they PLAY BOTH SIDES
he wrote a good article
Capitan Mierda

Monticello, NY

#14 Apr 4, 2013
With so much to do and so much to say, even the most indefatigable Scorpion will feel worn out by the end of the day. Some of you may be experiencing communication difficulties with a brash co-worker; try not to be so harsh when speaking to him or her today. I know you don't care to suffer fools, but right now the cards are stacked in favor of the good of the team and not of the individual.
Mumbo Jumbo

Red Hook, NY

#15 Apr 4, 2013
Capitan Mierda wrote:
With so much to do and so much to say, even the most indefatigable Scorpion will feel worn out by the end of the day. Some of you may be experiencing communication difficulties with a brash co-worker; try not to be so harsh when speaking to him or her today. I know you don't care to suffer fools, but right now the cards are stacked in favor of the good of the team and not of the individual.
Excellent advice!. Please keep posting. You are great.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#16 Apr 4, 2013
errrrr, the great tribulation of 3 1/2 times, x 2 is here!!!!...... and rutherford's group is the two witnesses of rev 11, that died for the three and a half times, and then came back to life.
rev 11 ;11

so now they are in charge.
....... rev, its grand climax at hand...... pages 166 or so.

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questions at the bottom

1... how long does it take to get disfellowshipped if you question how rutherford managed to be the "two witnesses" of rev 11, during the great tribulation, if the great tribulation hasn't happened yet?
Transformetrics

Monticello, NY

#17 Apr 8, 2013
Taurus, you're human. If you discover today that someone you've idealized is merely human after all, try welcoming them to the club, rather than thinking they've let you down. With your keen sense of right and wrong you know you can tell the difference between normal human mess ups and someone who truly lets you down. Try appreciating the culprit for their human qualities and forget superhero expectations: that's for comic strips!

Get preparation H
Mumbo Jumbo

Red Hook, NY

#18 Apr 8, 2013
Transformetrics wrote:
Taurus, you're human. If you discover today that someone you've idealized is merely human after all, try welcoming them to the club, rather than thinking they've let you down. With your keen sense of right and wrong you know you can tell the difference between normal human mess ups and someone who truly lets you down. Try appreciating the culprit for their human qualities and forget superhero expectations: that's for comic strips!
Get preparation H
What am I supposed to do with the preparation H?. I hope not sending a 10 yr supply to the governing body. Although they are full of shit I do not think it hurts coming out. Maybe I am wrong?
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#19 Apr 8, 2013
someone who cares wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen, Jahovas witness organization is a false organization started less than 70 years ago. Jahovas and Ja are the names of the male and female version of God according to the Kabalah.... it is irrelevant to even use the names of God, because the true form of God exists in everything that lives, is and was created and non-created.
The Jahova witness organization leads it's follower away from the reasoning of the "Christ" and the Holy Spirit.... which make the Jahovas witness organization a non-Christian organization. The organization will manipulate you to take your money, lead you away from the reason why Christ came on this earth the truth of Christianity ....
get away from the non-historic and brain washing organization. it has no historical background and take verses out of the bible to make their own story... they pump you up with fear and send you off to support their money making organization.
and stop coming to my house because your watch tower is
If you do not want a Jehovah's witness to come to your house put a sign in your yard, and if you do not want a witness to knock or ring the bell put a sign on it.
Jehovah's witnesses do not want to go to anyones house to save their life, if they don't want to save their life, they won't knock on your door if your house is on fire either.
ontime

France

#20 Apr 8, 2013
But did he learn anything from reading this book ?
Probably no...

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