I've heard that said about JW's that they think the Lord of the Universe limited heaven to 144,000 ??? And the rest of humanity goes to ???? Do they at least acknowledge that Jesus is God Himself ??? I've never seen him dealt with in any of those Watchtower comics they use for signing up new members. I'm curious what they think the role of Jesus was in all this. The watchtower comics just seem to avoid all these issues.I have looked into the theology & history of the Watchtower & am thoroughly convinced without a doubt it's a counterfeit Christian cult.
1. Bases many beliefs on numerology
2. corrupt translation of the bible (NWT)
3. Founders were into demonic occult teachings
4. Doctrines have changed over time
5.1914 Jesus *invisible* return
6. only 144,000 go to heaven
7. two classes of saved Christians
8.*whole* blood and autologous transfusions a sin,but okay to use fractions donated by Red Cross blood donors
9. genocide of 6 billion plus men women children at Watchtower Armageddon
Watchtower *propaganda* publishing empire has printed up billions of pieces of literature carried by hand by their followers to our very doorsteps.
Well then, what is the vital message by their own admission.
ANSWER:That Jesus was enthroned in 1914 and the Watchtower people were the only ones 'with the wisdom to discern it',consequently Jesus rewarded them by making them the exclusive inheritors of his kingly assets.
Thus making Jehovah's Witnesses the one true religion by default.Nobody but Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus had any form of advent in 1914,it is plain that the date came from William Miller the Watchtower totally plagiarized it right up to the same month that Miller himself proclamed the month of October,they just changed the year ahead 60 years.
NOW are any of you JW defenders going to refute this what you have printed up verbatim in those billions of pieces of Watchtower literature?OR,you gonna dance around and circle your wagons .
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come," so says Matthew 24:42. That piece of scripture, cited from the New International Version of the Bible, is the foundation of this year's "Keep on the Watch" Jehovah's Witnesses district convention scheduled to begin today at the Roanoke Civic Center.
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#21 Aug 27, 2009
#22 Aug 27, 2009
Now just how in the heck do you know that to be a fact.
Lots of difference between an opinion and a known fact.
#23 Aug 27, 2009
All discussion of religion is discussion of opinion. "Proving" something in a religious debate is quite impossible. I belive in God. I consider myelf a Christian, but PROVING something? Maybe I could win in Civil court (the weight of the evidence), but no one could win in Crimnial court (beyond a reasonable doubt).
Depressing me more everyday.
#24 Aug 28, 2009
Read about Padre Pio, and the Account of Fatima, it overcomes any depression, and it provides much irrefutable proof of the existence of God. It is better than any fiction, and it is all recent history and well documented !
#25 Aug 28, 2009
How in the heck do you know "the virgin birth" to be a fact?
The word in the bible that is translated into English as "virgin" actually means maiden. Maybe, if you actually looked into these things yourself instead of following blind, you might learn something.
#26 Aug 28, 2009
The Prophets foretold that the Messiah was coming and a 'sign' would that a virgin would bear a child. And she did, and his name is Jesus, the name above every other name. Blessed Mary, the New Ark of the New Covenant bore within her, the Almighty, the Greatest power in the Universe, the source of all goodness, and all knowledge and all love. Mary herself is also 'The Immaculate Conception' because at 'Conception' when her life was created, she alone was Free from the original sin of Adam & Eve because she had to be free of sin to be that New Ark of the Covenenant, for no sin could touch God or exist in his presence.
#27 Aug 28, 2009
Isaiah Chapter 7, Verse 13,
" Then he said: Listen, O house of David! Is it not enough for you to weary men, must you also weary my God?(14) Therefore The Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel."
Immanuel means God amongst us.
Blessed Mary was that woman, and she was therefore sinless, and New Ark of the New Covenant. She is the Mother of God !
#28 Aug 28, 2009
you are just amazing keep on teaching you sure do have my attention have a great weekend
#29 Aug 28, 2009
What are you doing to make your brother shun you?
Do you think it could be your attitude, or personality that smacks of violence or immorality?
Or maybe the way you talk, do you use profanity, or indecent language? Even if you are not a witness, shouldn't you at least act like a mild mannered person someone would want to associate with? Jehovah's witnesses don't judge anyone, and we don't avoid people who like to be with us, but if you don't want to hear us preach, and tell us that, or that you hate our religion, we have no alternative but to stay away.
#30 Aug 28, 2009
None of the above he is my big brother and I have nothing but respect for him I dont hate anyones religion I respect them all. Please have a good weekend
#31 Aug 28, 2009
As a last resort read the instructions. Most of the problems of discerning what is right and wrong in the christian faith is cleared up by simply reading the bible in an unbias way and actually believing what it says regardless of what religious fanatics are proclaiming. The bible has been lied about more than any book in the history of the human race. It is easy in this day to get a copy of the bible, read it without prejudice and you will get the true picture.
#32 Aug 28, 2009
What little wisdom God grants his servants when used with compassion, and His Word, always bears good fruit. I wish to be as Mother Theresa said of herself,'I am but a pencil, the Lord writes with.' What a beautiful explanation.
I have found, as I suspect you do, that God's Word always makes perfect, quite logical sense, once you 'put it together'. Human intellect, and the human capacity for love and compassion combine to open the eyes of sinners to the truth. I am simply one such incredibly blessed individual who has many excellent teachers. Like you, I followed the command to seek, and it was given to me, as it is all who sincerely do that. It is how we begin to be reborn as a person of God, and abandon our former sinful selves. This is the daily, ongoing ceaseless journey to be 'Born Aagain' so we may one day stand before God, not only with our sins forgiven, but Holy, "Sanctified" by our actions to show that we are no longer sinners, but one with Jesus. He said we are temples and he dwells within us when we are free of our sins. Catholics like me regularly seek that sinless status by going to 'Confession', and Receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation, from a priest so we can again have Jesus dwell within us. There is no need to wait till we die to achieve this.
Padre Pio who could know such things said that if all mankind knew what was to be gained from the Mass, the churches would be overflowing and we'd have to have crowd control at every mass, everyday. I take his word for it. I need all the good advice I can get.
May the Peace of the Lord be with you always.
#33 Aug 28, 2009
And with you thanks so much please keep up the good work and I will continue to gain more knowledge from your post
#34 Aug 28, 2009
What you wrote is heresy, and nothing more.
#35 Aug 28, 2009
I don't and never said I did know "the virgin birth" to be a fact.
I accept it as a matter of faith.
To support my acceptance is the historical record of the Jewish people that foretold of it before it happened along with many other signs to identify the messiah. Then the historical records that said it happened. Then the historical records of Jesus Christ as contained in the scriptures and other records.
Last but not least is the clear ring of truth as it is explained in the scriptures.
Facts are funny things. What you may accept as a fact I may not and what I may accept as a proven fact you may not accept.
The very fact that you are discussing the issue means that you have some doubts yourself and want someone else to convence you. If this was not the case why would you even be interested in this issue.
#36 Aug 28, 2009
"Then the historical records said it happened"
was my favorite line.
Please go back to worshipping a dead man.
#37 Aug 28, 2009
The old testiment was written long before the new testiment. Within the old testiment there was foretold of one to come. In the Old Testament, men who were moved by the Holy Spirit, prophesied about the coming of Jesus Christ. The prophets, who were messengers of God, foretold his birth, ministry, death, burial, resurrection and ascension. There are over 300 prophecies that speak of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ fullfilled all these prophecies and proclaimed himself to be the son of God. He gave us the New Testiment and the New Covenent.
You elect to not believe, I too one time questioned but started reading and studying the Scriptures. In addition I have read the Quran, Toran and the Book Of Mormon.
There is also other historical records that speak of Jesus Christ.
I have not met the man in person but only in spirit. There is a ring of truth that would reach you also if you was willing and not afraid to read and study. For me it was an awaking to the truth.
The thing is, belief in Santa does not generate a moral code, it does not generate art, it does not generate imagination. Belief in God is a bit bigger than that.
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there wasn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
I find the Christian values excellent guide to live by regardless and whoever put it all together to be a lot smarter than you or I.
My hope is that each would read the scriptures for themselves and come to their own understanding of them and their value
Whatever path you chose I wish you the best.
#38 Aug 28, 2009
"Gods not dead He is alive,Gods not dead He is alive". The strongest evidence that God is alive and a Reality IS GOD HIMSELF. The promise from the bible is that if you will seek God with all your heart that you will find Him. "He was there all the time,He was there all the time,waiting patiently in line,He was there all the time". It is a good day to accept Jesus as your Saviour, the only thing you have to lose are your sins and guilt(and your reservation in Hades).
#39 Aug 29, 2009
The need for all humans to be 'Born Again' began with the Original Sin of Adam & Eve.
They were born without sin, or any knowledge of good and evil, or of sin. They created the first sin, and the natural inescapable consequence of sin, Death. Prior to that sin, humans would not die, creation itself would not die. Since then everything in this world became subject to sin and death.
Our need to be reborn is to cast off that legacy of sin, now that Christ has conquered death, and sin. We can once again begin to learn and understand from God, as he alone can teach us. That's why the days of the Prophets is over, they are no longer required. God came here to us, and taught us Himself. Our new wisdom comes then from the conquering and renunciation of sin and death. As we each respond to our graces from God, and gain in faith, the person we call the Holy Spirit, leads and teaches us, hence I know a little about God, that I could otherwise never know.
The Holy Spirit responds to our cries, as a mother responds to her child crying. The Holy Spirit is a person and that infinite wisdom and goodness loves us as not even a mother can love her child. That person responds to our fears, and worry, and anxiety, so when we 'seek God' as all souls wish to, then the person of the holy spirit is eager to come, and comfort, and awaken God within every one of us. We are family to the Holy Spirit, we are close, deeply loved and cherished family of God. Remember that God made them male and female, so God is both, not either or, and the attributes we see as female and also a part of God. Nuturing, caring, giving, gentle, humble and above all Loving. Abandoning sin is good not just because we stop offending the God who created us, but because we can finally begin to experience the close personal relationship we are intended to have with God, one closer than with the most perfect parent.
I am a Catholic because of that love.
#40 Aug 29, 2009
Incidentally the idea that God would 'limit' His invitation to His Children to come to heaven to be with Him to 144,000, or any number is patently absurd once you recognize the Infinite love and mercy that God offers each and every one of us.
The God who endured His only son dying just to reconcile his prodigal children with him, would never Slam the Door to Paradise after 144,000 had taken Him up on His Offer. It is an idea beyond ridiculous.
God is Ingfin ite, his offer of Life is Infinite, no more Death. God's wisdom is Infinite, He is the source of all Knowledge, and Humans have always sought knowledge, God is also Love in its purest unlimited Infinite and Most Perfect. Who that any one of you ever actually loved intensely would you deny anything in your power to grant ? And God loves each of us infinitely, completely to the point of enduring a slow hideous death on a cross, just to open heaven to us again. So who thinks he'd then limit how many of we whom He loves so much, could benefit by His Infinite Sacrifice ?
Like I said, " An ABSURD IDEA !"
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