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The other day, I got my truck back from the repair shop and someone who'd worked on it had left the radio set to one of those Christian broadcasting stations. Full Story
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Truth Man

Portola, CA

#1 Aug 14, 2010
You want to hear nut jobs-tune into left wing radio-it will make this station sound sane. I guess Jaime must be a wing nut too and agree with every wild left-wing bomb thrower. I mean he is a liberal leftist-so if all "Christians" are one big crazy group of several billion then the few million leftists must all think alike too.

This man is so full of hate and bigotery-however that is acceptable and OK for leftist-they call it being progressive. To be anyone in the left wing movement you are expected to be anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-military, anti-family, etc etc. Sick people. That worries me more that some people who believe Jesus may return next year.
Renee G

United States

#2 Aug 14, 2010
"Truth Man," I am and have always been pretty far left-leaning in my politics, and I am not anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-military, or anti-family. I support policies that promote tolerance, justice, and equality and understand that sometimes the good of society as a whole might be different from what's good for some individual people. I have no patience for faux-Christians who ignore the teachings of Jesus while prosetelyzing and/or think they are better than others. I fully support troops on the ground and military families but think the military/pentagon budget is completely out of whack and mismanaged. And as for family, I would pit my own family values against those of people like Newt Gingrich or David Vitter, who preach about morals out of one side of their mouths while porking somebody on the side. Please.

You rail about somebody else being full of hate a bigotry and then post a hateful, illogical, tirade that paints a whole group of people with a dirty brush. Perhaps a look in the mirror might be in order.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#3 Aug 14, 2010
This isnít the first time on Family Radio that such predictions have been made. The head of Family Radio, Harold Camping, has a history of failed apocalyptic predictions. Iíd rather take a tip from Jesus Christ who said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
Doomsday is coming, according to scientists who tell us that we will at sometime in the future be hit by an earth killing asteroid, gamma ray burst, super volcanic eruption, a superbug pandemic, global nuclear war etc., so the idea is not simply restricted to the religious. What is amazing is that we seem so concerned with the idea of the annihilation of our species when in fact, no one is individually guaranteed to see tomorrowís sunrise. In fact, your next heartbeat could be your last.
Hollywood has made movies about such end time scenarios, and there is a lot of speculation about the date of Dec. 21, 2012 when, according to theoreical ancient Mayan and Chinese calendars the world as we know it will end.
Nothing is worse for a believer than to put his or her faith in a prediction by some self appointed prophet only to find that prediction was wrong. Itís happened before (google the "great disappointment") and as long as people keep on predicting dates, it will happen again. We all would like to know the future and that is supported by the attention in the media about Bible codes, the quatrains of Nostradamus etc.
joshua

Chico, CA

#4 Aug 14, 2010
Hi Jamie,

On account of my fairly dark sense of humor and cynicism regarding humanity in general, I continue to enjoy your columns. At times, I think you fail to give my right leaning brothers the benefit of the doubt, but I also imagine you're trying to help sell papers. And nothing sells better on the ridge than conservative-inspired righteous indignation.

I don't know that this will matter much to you, as I imagine you've given up on religion as the dance of the far right, but the exceptions to this particular piece should be noted. Very few people outside of the postmodern conversation realize there is a new generation of Jesus-people who are trying to carve out a completely new space far, far away from "family radio."

The good folks at "family radio" tend to be our parents, our crazy uncle Larry, perhaps our grandparents, but postmoderns tend to be somewhat "extreme-proof." We've been targeted by marketing three or four thousand times a day, every day, since the day we were born.

Nearly everyone we've come into contact with peddling extremes also has their hand out. We stand strongly on the side of authenticity, and our predecessors sold the hell out of fake and plastic (and still do when they can get away with it_.

You cannot take the ancient texts of the christian faith seriously and pretend that Jesus taught some kind of doomsday scenario at the heart of who He was. He mentioned in passing that the path of violence leads to its own undoing (the great Jewish-Roman Wars of the first century were the result) and 20th century adherent of christendom situated this at the core of everything He was and built all kinds of speculation and an entirely unique culture of panic.

If one were to look at the very few things that Jesus did say over, and over, and over again, you would be left with the impression that He did care dearly about what happens here and now. The sweet by and by was not, and never had been, his emphasis. Fixing your attention on "heaven" to the complete distraction of all needs here is a perversion of his teachings.

So while "family radio" continues to inspire fear and panic in the remaining generations that still buy all of that in bulk (costco-style), my people will continue to try and take what Jesus said and did and use it in our own lives. We'll try and feed our hungry, clothe our naked, visit our overpacked prison system, and be with our sick and dying.

If Jesus ever comes back, may he find us doing what He asked rather than fixating on the hysteria that the twisting of His words has inspired.
jaime

Chico, CA

#5 Aug 14, 2010
joshua wrote:
Hi Jamie,
On account of my fairly dark sense of humor and cynicism regarding humanity in general, I continue to enjoy your columns. At times, I think you fail to give my right leaning brothers the benefit of the doubt, but I also imagine you're trying to help sell papers. And nothing sells better on the ridge than conservative-inspired righteous indignation.
I don't know that this will matter much to you, as I imagine you've given up on religion as the dance of the far right, but the exceptions to this particular piece should be noted. Very few people outside of the postmodern conversation realize there is a new generation of Jesus-people who are trying to carve out a completely new space far, far away from "family radio."
The good folks at "family radio" tend to be our parents, our crazy uncle Larry, perhaps our grandparents, but postmoderns tend to be somewhat "extreme-proof." We've been targeted by marketing three or four thousand times a day, every day, since the day we were born.
Nearly everyone we've come into contact with peddling extremes also has their hand out. We stand strongly on the side of authenticity, and our predecessors sold the hell out of fake and plastic (and still do when they can get away with it_.
You cannot take the ancient texts of the christian faith seriously and pretend that Jesus taught some kind of doomsday scenario at the heart of who He was. He mentioned in passing that the path of violence leads to its own undoing (the great Jewish-Roman Wars of the first century were the result) and 20th century adherent of christendom situated this at the core of everything He was and built all kinds of speculation and an entirely unique culture of panic.
If one were to look at the very few things that Jesus did say over, and over, and over again, you would be left with the impression that He did care dearly about what happens here and now. The sweet by and by was not, and never had been, his emphasis. Fixing your attention on "heaven" to the complete distraction of all needs here is a perversion of his teachings.
So while "family radio" continues to inspire fear and panic in the remaining generations that still buy all of that in bulk (costco-style), my people will continue to try and take what Jesus said and did and use it in our own lives. We'll try and feed our hungry, clothe our naked, visit our overpacked prison system, and be with our sick and dying.
If Jesus ever comes back, may he find us doing what He asked rather than fixating on the hysteria that the twisting of His words has inspired.
Thanks for your note, Joshua. Your vision of the message of Jesus is pretty close to mine, and that's one of the reasons people are so quick to call me a liberal, or worse.
I don't think of myself as a cynic, though. I'm kind of an idealist, believing that human beings can be better than we are. And I never write a single line to sell papers, nor do I ever say anything in my columns that I don't believe. I'm capable of selling out, I suppose, but not at the rates the Post pays.
And, Renee, I echo what you said to that nitwit who thinks all "liberals" are anti-white, anti-male, etc. As a white male my own damn self, it just doesn't seem to be a sensible position to take, though I can see the arguments for it.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#6 Aug 14, 2010
Publius2 wrote:
Nothing is worse for a believer than to put his or her faith in a prediction by some self appointed prophet only to find that prediction was wrong.
I think that those who predict the end of the world actually harm their cause and do Christianity a disservice. As you stated previously the Bible teaches us that no man will know the time of the Lord's coming.
Observer

Chico, CA

#7 Aug 14, 2010
Truth Man wrote:
This man is so full of hate and bigotery-however that is acceptable and OK for leftist-they call it being progressive. To be anyone in the left wing movement you are expected to be anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-military, anti-family, etc etc. Sick people. That worries me more that some people who believe Jesus may return next year.
I have noticed that these left-right "debates" tend to follow a certain pattern. They usually start with the leftists mounting logical arguments for their point of view and the rightists countering with mostly cut-and-pasted talking points. But, before long, even this degenerates when usually (although not always) the rightists start attacking the other side personally, disparaging the individual, their morals and/or their intelligence. Then the other side responds in kind and the whole thing deteriorates in puerile name-calling and attempts at character assassination. Of course, at this point, any hope at an exchange of ideas or logical argument becomes impossible.

I see, however, that you have decided to mount a personal attack on the editorialist right out of the chute, rather than to try to intelligently refute what he is saying.

Are we to infer from this that his ideas cannot be intelligently refuted or merely that you are incapable of doing so?
L Matthews

Hayward, CA

#8 Aug 14, 2010
Jaime, How sad it must be to live in your tortured mind. Man, can't you see how, "over the edge" you are falling?
There are extremes in everything; otherwise, how would we be able to recognize what "normal" is. To use one radical program to beat up on all Christians, as well as Fox News, is pretty "extreme" itself. You should ask yourself why you found that radical program,the one that most "normal" people would turn off, so fascinating that #1 you would waste your time listening to it, and #2 that you would use a whole column to inflict it on the good people of Paradise.
If you don't want to listen or watch any program, just turn it off. We still live in a country which allows "free speech". Heaven help YOU if that freedom is taken away!
L Matthews

Hayward, CA

#9 Aug 14, 2010
Observer wrote:
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I have noticed that these left-right "debates" tend to follow a certain pattern. They usually start with the leftists mounting logical arguments for their point of view and the rightists countering with mostly cut-and-pasted talking points. But, before long, even this degenerates when usually (although not always) the rightists start attacking the other side personally, disparaging the individual, their morals and/or their intelligence. Then the other side responds in kind and the whole thing deteriorates in puerile name-calling and attempts at character assassination. Of course, at this point, any hope at an exchange of ideas or logical argument becomes impossible.
I see, however, that you have decided to mount a personal attack on the editorialist right out of the chute, rather than to try to intelligently refute what he is saying.
Are we to infer from this that his ideas cannot be intelligently refuted or merely that you are incapable of doing so?
"leftists mounting logical arguments and rightist countering with cut and paste". No bias there! nope, just another "logical argument".
Frank

United States

#10 Aug 14, 2010
L Matthews wrote:
Jaime, How sad it must be to live in your tortured mind. Man, can't you see how, "over the edge" you are falling?
There are extremes in everything; otherwise, how would we be able to recognize what "normal" is. To use one radical program to beat up on all Christians, as well as Fox News, is pretty "extreme" itself. You should ask yourself why you found that radical program,the one that most "normal" people would turn off, so fascinating that #1 you would waste your time listening to it, and #2 that you would use a whole column to inflict it on the good people of Paradise.
If you don't want to listen or watch any program, just turn it off. We still live in a country which allows "free speech". Heaven help YOU if that freedom is taken away!
"To use one radical program to beat up on all Christians"

Please show how he did this in the article, because from my reading of it, he did not and you are making a false accusation.

"You should ask yourself why you found that radical program"

He stated plainly that the mechanic left the radio tuned to that station. Perhaps we should ask you how someone who would advise others would miss something so straight forward.
The author was perfectly justified in pointing out how the corruption of religion and the concept of journalism in media is undermining the viability of our society. This was a timely and well written article which contributes well to the journalistic balance of the Post. This balance sets the Post apart in a positive way from the other newspapers in our region, for which we, as a community can take pride.
L Matthews

Hayward, CA

#11 Aug 14, 2010
Frank wrote:
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"To use one radical program to beat up on all Christians"
Please show how he did this in the article, because from my reading of it, he did not and you are making a false accusation.
"You should ask yourself why you found that radical program"
He stated plainly that the mechanic left the radio tuned to that station. Perhaps we should ask you how someone who would advise others would miss something so straight forward.
The author was perfectly justified in pointing out how the corruption of religion and the concept of journalism in media is undermining the viability of our society. This was a timely and well written article which contributes well to the journalistic balance of the Post. This balance sets the Post apart in a positive way from the other newspapers in our region, for which we, as a community can take pride.
I don't intend to play that game with you. Instead, YOU should take your blinders off and read it again instead of calling me a liar!

p.s. And Jaime doesn't know how to turn the knob???
Frank

United States

#12 Aug 14, 2010
L Matthews wrote:
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I don't intend to play that game with you. Instead, YOU should take your blinders off and read it again instead of calling me a liar!
p.s. And Jaime doesn't know how to turn the knob???
Checkmate.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#13 Aug 14, 2010
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I think that those who predict the end of the world actually harm their cause and do Christianity a disservice. As you stated previously the Bible teaches us that no man will know the time of the Lord's coming.
Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu announced that Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled (which is to say that Ezekiel 38 and 39 are to follow).
That announcement certainly grabbed my attention since Ezekiel 38 and 39 deal with a coalition of nations (led by Russia and Iran) that will invade Israel, an I realize that Netanyahu must be aware of it. These are amazing prophecies and we can see them coming together now.
LUELLA

Attleboro, MA

#14 Aug 14, 2010
Publius2 wrote:
<quoted text>Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu announced that Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled (which is to say that Ezekiel 38 and 39 are to follow).
That announcement certainly grabbed my attention since Ezekiel 38 and 39 deal with a coalition of nations (led by Russia and Iran) that will invade Israel, an I realize that Netanyahu must be aware of it. These are amazing prophecies and we can see them coming together now.
Benny wants the United States to take out Iran for Israel. He likes using the good ole US dollar for his own benefit. I'm surprised he hasn't blamed the US for not stopping the First Temple Destruction by the Babylonians to get our sympathy. What about the Palestinian people donít they deserve a homeland too along with peace and US support? Benny has too many problems to be worrying about Iran when he should be taking care of his problems in his own back yard. Jesus said this things will have to pass and so we can't worry because God has His Hand in everything that happens even with His Israel.

One can can have religious beliefs and also be a Democrat. That marks the ideal that our founding fathers-- including Thomas Jefferson-- wanted separation of Church and State. Another good article by Jaime which shows us one can have faith and believe but also reminds us of those who throughout the ages are radical religious zealots in their minds.
Stephen Rose

United States

#15 Aug 14, 2010
Mahatma Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

One could probably say the same about most religious zealots, of any religion; they are usually nowhere near to understanding the truths of, or adhering to the tenets of the true religious teachings, and instead use religiosity to feel better about themselves while attacking others for not being like them.

The only doomsday that would concern me is the Republicans somehow getting back into power. And, I'd call that "the Rupture," a time when irrationality and insanity trumped logic, rationality, and real compassion or love. A true end of "civilization" as we'd hope to know it, a flashback to the days when the aristocracy ruled, and everyone else ate their crumbs. The only difference would be that now, many of those "everyone else" would oddly believe they were being done a favor.
L Matthews

Hayward, CA

#16 Aug 14, 2010
Stephen Rose wrote:
Mahatma Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
One could probably say the same about most religious zealots, of any religion; they are usually nowhere near to understanding the truths of, or adhering to the tenets of the true religious teachings, and instead use religiosity to feel better about themselves while attacking others for not being like them.
The only doomsday that would concern me is the Republicans somehow getting back into power. And, I'd call that "the Rupture," a time when irrationality and insanity trumped logic, rationality, and real compassion or love. A true end of "civilization" as we'd hope to know it, a flashback to the days when the aristocracy ruled, and everyone else ate their crumbs. The only difference would be that now, many of those "everyone else" would oddly believe they were being done a favor.
I agree with your first paragraph but your really "fell off the wagon on the second paragraph. Did you REALLY believe that voting for Obama would be your salvation? If so, the last 19 months should have opened your eyes. I'm afraid you are just being used by the "powers that be", as are most of us on these forums; to keep us busy hating eachother while they go merrily on their way to complete power. If you think Obama is any different, dream on. Just remember, "any government strong enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have." And I'm not even talking money here. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". What political party has had "absolute power" since Obama took office?
Frank

United States

#17 Aug 14, 2010
The Republican minority, with the help of a handful of "conservative" Democrats such as Ben Nelson, Blanch Lincoln, Max Baucus, Bart Stupak, and the odious and despicable "Independent", Joe Lieberman have succeeded in derailing much of the needed progress and reform that would have taken place if these scoundrels would have worked with the President honestly for the good of the American people, rather than their craven subservience to the Stateless Corporate interests that finance them.
The Republican goal IS to eliminate the middle class and reduce workers to peasantry, powerless and at the mercy of the ruling aristocracy. Now that they have broken our manufacturing base, and have gutted the support system of our infrastructure, they have set their sights on our future and our security by their attack on our teachers and our public servants. Even the firemen who risk their lives to save ours are attacked by the Republicans, who ridiculously make the argument that Wal-Mart should be the benchmark for their salaries.
Does any thinking person really want Wal-Mart level employees responsible for saving your life from a fire, rescuing you in a disaster, or the education or your children?

The election comes down to a choice, the Democrats are working to save the America that became the strongest country in the world on the economic security of its people, while the Republicans are undermining that security in their pushing a race to the bottom in wages and benefits for the American worker, with the goal of reducing the standard of living for that worker, to that of his third world counterpart.
Stephen Rose

United States

#18 Aug 14, 2010
L Matthews wrote:
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I agree with your first paragraph but your really "fell off the wagon on the second paragraph. Did you REALLY believe that voting for Obama would be your salvation? If so, the last 19 months should have opened your eyes. I'm afraid you are just being used by the "powers that be", as are most of us on these forums; to keep us busy hating eachother while they go merrily on their way to complete power. If you think Obama is any different, dream on. Just remember, "any government strong enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have." And I'm not even talking money here. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". What political party has had "absolute power" since Obama took office?
Let's put it this way L Matthews, I believed that not voting for Obama or ANYONE OTHER than McCain/Palin and the same group that created the mess inherited by Obama (sorry, that's a fact and not a point of debate) would be a disaster for this nation, and most likely the world. The world is heading towards globalization, not only financially but socially, there really is no viable alternative. The battle will be between large government and large corporations taking over the role of government. In my opinion, I don't believe large government is ideal, but it's much preferable to government by corporations that only care about their bottom line, nothing for people, and don't even have to be re-elected. And wouldn't you admit that the real reason government has become so corrupt is because of the money paid to government, indirectly through lobbyists and campaign donations? The world does have to unite at some point in our future, or we will have no future as a species. If money becomes that uniting force, I'm afraid doomsday will be for real.

And I totally concur with your quote from Lord Acton, but believe it was much more pertinent and relevant when Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld headed our nation. These were truly individuals that became totally corrupted by power and more power, so much so that their party now believes it can lie and distort and misinform without any accountability. What amazes me, is that so many people in this nation have bought into it, hook, line and sinker.

Obama is not perfect, but I don't believe he is an incompetent neoconservative imperialist like those in the last administration. And, his attempts at correcting the wrongs done to this nation and world by those faux-imperialists is being totally obstructed by the same people and party that got us all into this mess. Please think about that before just slamming the present administration that might just have the toughest job of any administration before or since FDR.
Stephen Rose

United States

#19 Aug 14, 2010
Frank wrote:
The Republican minority, with the help of a handful of "conservative" Democrats such as Ben Nelson, Blanch Lincoln, Max Baucus, Bart Stupak, and the odious and despicable "Independent", Joe Lieberman have succeeded in derailing much of the needed progress and reform that would have taken place if these scoundrels would have worked with the President honestly for the good of the American people, rather than their craven subservience to the Stateless Corporate interests that finance them.
The Republican goal IS to eliminate the middle class and reduce workers to peasantry, powerless and at the mercy of the ruling aristocracy. Now that they have broken our manufacturing base, and have gutted the support system of our infrastructure, they have set their sights on our future and our security by their attack on our teachers and our public servants. Even the firemen who risk their lives to save ours are attacked by the Republicans, who ridiculously make the argument that Wal-Mart should be the benchmark for their salaries.
Does any thinking person really want Wal-Mart level employees responsible for saving your life from a fire, rescuing you in a disaster, or the education or your children?
The election comes down to a choice, the Democrats are working to save the America that became the strongest country in the world on the economic security of its people, while the Republicans are undermining that security in their pushing a race to the bottom in wages and benefits for the American worker, with the goal of reducing the standard of living for that worker, to that of his third world counterpart.
Frank it is truly mind-boggling that so many seem to actually believe this nation would be better off by re-electing the same people that caused the present mess. It's hard to even come close to rationalizing that! Most of those people (those who simply love the snake oil salesmen) are just working class people, not the ultra-rich who benefit from lying and misleading them. I can only shake my head in disbelief.
Briggs Cunningham

Chico, CA

#20 Aug 14, 2010
Truth Man wrote:
You want to hear nut jobs-tune into left wing radio-it will make this station sound sane. I guess Jaime must be a wing nut too and agree with every wild left-wing bomb thrower. I mean he is a liberal leftist-so if all "Christians" are one big crazy group of several billion then the few million leftists must all think alike too.
This man is so full of hate and bigotery-however that is acceptable and OK for leftist-they call it being progressive. To be anyone in the left wing movement you are expected to be anti-white, anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-military, anti-family, etc etc. Sick people. That worries me more that some people who believe Jesus may return next year.
Really? Is that a fact? Is that what they say on left wing radio?

What I am curious about is where do you find that left wing radio?!! I have searched and searched and all I can hear is some nut Lush Blimbaugh, or something like that. I think he has a bad problem with gas.

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