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Same Sex Marriage in the Community of Christ

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George Williams

Conroe, TX

#1 Mar 29, 2006
How is it that news releases from the Community of Christ never mention the major focus of the Community of Christ?

For instance, the Community of Christ has been performing same-sex weddings for a long time now. No one knows how long because no news is released about them. However, the most recent one that I know of was held in Eugene, Oregon, near the end of May, 2003.

Have there been others?

Yes.

Is it typical for a church to conceal its activities from the general public?

George
John

Warden, WA

#2 Apr 26, 2006
George where do you get your iunformation and can it be verifid by any on eles but you?
John

Warden, WA

#3 Apr 26, 2006
George thats not a much to go on You must have more then here say of inuendow.
Iron clade profcf, not jest gosip.
So eheree is the smoking gun so to speake
Shaun

United States

#4 Aug 8, 2006
I dont know how valid Mr. Williams claim of same sex marriage occuring in the CoC. However I can point out some major eye-openers that relate to the topic.

In Restoration Studies vol.3/3, the CoC have made some very liberal stands on sex, abortion, and pornography. They state that basically they do not believe that the church should take any stand against any issue of sexuality, or abortion. Furthermore, they say that sexual acts should be out of the presence of any unwilling observer!

One of their statements on homosexuality is that the church does not know the Lords will on this, so they will maintain a secular view until the time the Lord reveals his will(this is all paraphrased).
Maybe the priesthood that produced the Restoration Studies should have studied Leviticus, in particular chapter 18:22.

The copyright on these books is 1986. If there has been a change in view or a retraction on these topics please forward me the information and I will concede. But Iwill not idly stand by and watch Saints be deceived.

Your brother in Christ
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smturner7147@sbcglobal.net
Joker

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Aug 8, 2006
Jesus was Gay, he loved men and hung out with them. Never had much interest in females. Some one please tell me why Jesus loving Christians don't like homosexuality.
Joy Dawson

AOL

#6 Aug 13, 2006
The Restoration Studies books are not church doctrine. They are the opinion of the writer.
Joy Dawson

AOL

#7 Aug 13, 2006
The Restoration Studies books are not church doctrine. They are the opinions of members and students in the church.
George Williams

Conroe, TX

#9 Sep 17, 2006
The members of the Community of Christ continue to be in denial about the homosexual issue, chiefly because the leadership keeps them in the dark.

The information regarding the Oregon same sex wedding was leaked by Bradley Barnhart, who received the information from a member of the local congregation which was forced by the central leadership to permit the ceremony to be held.

Those who would like to write or call Price Publishing Company in Independence, Missouri may request a copy of the service bulletin for the wedding, which lists Sharon Troyer as one of the brides. The bulletin also lists the ranking Community of Christ officials who attended the ceremony.

Because of the release of this bulletin, the World Church Secretary, Bruce Lindgren was forced to admit that the ceremony took place. However, the leadership is trying to spin the news by saying this was not a wedding, but rather a "lesbian covenant ceremony."

However, a glance at the bulletin, with its mention of the exchange of rings will give no doubt as to the nature of the ceremony.

I am deeply saddened that highly educated people who are on the membership rolls of the Community of Christ prefer to dodge the truth and decry it as "rumor."

George
George Williams

Conroe, TX

#10 Sep 17, 2006
Mr. Shaun Turner is correct when he says that the paid staff of the Community of Christ continually turn out educational and academic materials with nonchristian viewpoints, such as the promotion of homosexuality, abortion, etc.

The leadership continually tries to spin this situation by claiming that paid employees of the church are not under its supervision, and may write or print anything they please at church expense, and sell it through the church publishing house without any interference.

David Price remarked at the silencing "counseling session" for his father: "Either the leadership is riding this out of control wild horse over the cliff, or it is HELPING it to go over the cliff." I'm betting on the latter.

As for my posting the news about the real agenda of the Community of Christ, I bear them no ill will. It is a free country, and as long as someone doesn't break the law, they are free to take nonChristian, or even antiChristian positions. However, what I do not appreciate is for them to firmly adopt these positions, but dissemble about them in order to deceive the portion of the membership which would disagree--only for the purpose of keeping their financial support.

George
George Williams

Conroe, TX

#11 Sep 17, 2006
(N.B. This information is from a newsgroup posting made in October of 2003. Those who claim to be card-carrying members in good standing in the Community of Christ will either have to 'fess up to this, or admit that they are so out of the loop that their input is irrelevant.)

The lesbian wedding scheduled for August 25, 2003 in the Eugene, Oregon branch
of the Community of Christ took place as scheduled.

The proud lesbian couple consisted of:

Sharon Troyer, a paid appointee of the "World Church" of the
Community of Christ
Meta Stephens

Present were:

Forrest McDowell, guitar
Jeff Defty, cello
John Bonney, Soloist
Mollie Treadwell, Soloist

Ushers:

Peter Postma
Larry King
Eric Blickenstaff
Allan Newberry

The back of the bulletin thanks those who "without whom today's ceremony would
not have been possible"

These include:
Glenda and Doug Rouse
Jan and John Wigle
Peggy and Mike Grohs
Debbie and Carl Blackwell
Pat and John Bonney
Al Whittinbgton
Francine Wight
Terry Weaver
Terry Read
Brad Shumate
Margaret and David Polly
Debi Newgberry
Anita and Jim Young
Joan Bayliss from Temple Beth Israel of Eugene
John and Ruth Smallwood from Redmond
Tim Carnahan of Forth Worth, TX
Marge and Tore Nilsen, Portland

Anyone with a smattering of familiarity with the Community of Christ can
recognize the World Church appointees among the above list of folks responsible
for making the wedding take place.

The text of the bulletin can be read at Centerplace.org

Photcopies of the bulletin are now in circulation.

Anyone who reads the text of this bulletin will be convinced that the intent of
the cerermony was a "wedding." The language is the same throughout as would be
expected of program for a wedding ceremony, and, of course, includes ushers.

On isolated newsgroups, spin doctors for the Community of Christ are still
denying that the ceremony took place, but World Church Secretary Bruce Lindgren
has been obliged to come up with a canned statement regarding the wedding.

Current policy of the Community of Christ states that practicing homosexuals
may not be ordained, and states that although the irregularity of performing
the wedding sacrament for homosexuals must be discontinued, sacraments
previously performed will not be undone. It also states that no minister of the
church, regardless of his conscience, may set aside the rules and practices of
the church in order to perform such a ceremony. These rules are regularly
broken with the blessing of the First Presidency.

Debbie Blackwell was formerly pastor of the Eugene OR branch. She refused to
answer e-mails regarding the wedding. One of her counselors, who resigned in
disgust, has been elected by the congregation to replace her this term. The
pastor of local CofChrist branches is not appointed by the World Church, but is
elected by the congregation itself, which apparently has rejected Ms.
Blackwell's enthusiasm for the homosexual agenda of the World Church. However,
the World Church has been known to break the rules of order regarding the
election of pastors and attempt to oust pastors who are too fundamentalist to
suit the First Presidency's tastes. This happened in the 1980's in Blue Valley
Stake.

If there are any gamblers here, you can make a fortune by betting that news of
this gay wedding will never make the pages of the "Herald." The "Herald," the
church paper of the CofChrist, which it inherited from the now-defunct RLDS
Church, monthly prints photos of heterosexual couples having their 50th, 60th,
etc. wedding anniversaries to persuade the membership and general public that
the Community of Christ is a Christian denomination.

I think the Community of Christ has finally surpassed the LDS Church in lies
and obfuscation.

George Williams
Kathi

Atlanta, GA

#12 Nov 13, 2006
As a life long member of RLDS, now Community Of Christ, I have learned many things that allow me to be tolerant and loving of all people. The fact that there are people out there who are born gay (or not depending on your beliefs)does not change the fact that they are the children of God and should be loved regardless of their race, sex, and sexual orientation. Homosexuality happens to be a hot issue right now. I am proud to say that I belong to a church that allows me to make decisions about my own personal life without worry that the people of my church, who outside of my family, should care about me the most, will abandon me in times of need. I believe there are things that man cannot have an answer to. nearly 10% of the American population is homosexual. Does that mean that 10% of the American population have outright decided to leave God's path? Then why is it that so many homosexuals actively seek the word of God? They seek the opportunity to celebrate God and worship like everyone else. There has to be a place for them to do that and if it is my congregation at my church, The Community of Christ, well then I am proud to have them. I believe we must celebrate diversity for God has made all people in the likeness of him. God doen't make mistakes, therefore he must have meant for 10% of our population to test our abilities to accept everyone. To test our hearts for unconditional love of our brother and sisters in Christ. I believe people have free will to choose the path they believe is right. My job is to live life as a Christian serving the Lord and let others know of his Love. I do not believe for one second that means Judge and segregate certain people or pretend as though I am all knowing in God's reasoning for the way people are or if the personal choices of others are right or wrong in his eyes. It is not my duty to decide whether homosexuality is wrong, God will decide. It is his decision and not mine. I feel that if you are in a fulfilling relationship with one person and you can maintain that Love for your whole life and it makes you truly happy, then pray about it (just as my husband and I pray about all of our decsions) and let God be the Judge. HE hasn't done me wrong yet.

My Great Grandmother (who is also an active member of the Church) has told me that God has a plan for each of us and sometimes it is unclear where a path is heading, but everything you do everyday takes you to where God wants you to go. If you go astray and you ask for help he will lead you back to the path because he loves you.
Ed Thompson

AOL

#13 Nov 13, 2006
If you read D and C section 162 it seems to be clearly saying that all people are of worth and we should concentrate on what brings us together, not what seperates. I don't know all the answers or God's veiw on some of these topics but I do know this: anything we do as a people or as an individual to seperate any person from the oppurtunity to know Christ and have him become active in their life is wrong.
Sean

Seattle, WA

#14 Dec 8, 2006
I was at the service in Eugene! It was a beautiful service!!! I look forward to the day when we will recognize same sex marriages in the Community of Christ!
Jon Hetherington

AOL

#15 Dec 14, 2006
I would like to say how deeply proud I am to have attended the ceremony of Sharon and Meta. They have been dear friends of mine. I find it sad that thee people who have posted comments have made it sound as those Sharon and Meta are somehow less than human. I can tell you that they both deeply love God and that they saw this ceremony not as something to cause conflict but to express the love the felt in front of loved ones. I hope that any future responders will realize that they are talking about people who have had a positive influence on others. Please give them the same respect that you would want to have. Meta and Sharon understand the deep convictions of others that may disagree with the decision they made, and they respect others for their beliefs. I ask that you remember that whether or not you agree with Sharon and Meta's decision, we are all children of one Creator and strive for love and peace. My hope in writing this is that you can get a picture of who Meta and Sharon are, and that you know they are so much more than some controversial article. They are loving, gracious, accepting human beings.
Kristina

Shingletown, CA

#16 Dec 17, 2006
Joker wrote:
Jesus was Gay, he loved men and hung out with them. Never had much interest in females. Some one please tell me why Jesus loving Christians don't like homosexuality.
what a moron,try actually reading the bible!

Since: Jan 07

San Bernardino, California

#18 Jan 16, 2007
Joker wrote:
Jesus was Gay, he loved men and hung out with them. Never had much interest in females. Some one please tell me why Jesus loving Christians don't like homosexuality.
What the? what planet are you one dude?
vertigoblack

Bandar Baru Bangi, Malaysia

#19 Jan 21, 2007
Joker wrote:
Jesus was Gay, he loved men and hung out with them. Never had much interest in females. Some one please tell me why Jesus loving Christians don't like homosexuality.
I dunno about some people, but over here we actually read the bible. try lev 18:22, romans 1:26-27.
Ethan789

Seattle, WA

#20 Feb 13, 2007
Kathi wrote:
As a life long member of RLDS, now Community Of Christ, I have learned many things that allow me to be tolerant and loving of all people. The fact that there are people out there who are born gay (or not depending on your beliefs)does not change the fact that they are the children of God and should be loved regardless of their race, sex, and sexual orientation. Homosexuality happens to be a hot issue right now. I am proud to say that I belong to a church that allows me to make decisions about my own personal life without worry that the people of my church, who outside of my family, should care about me the most, will abandon me in times of need. I believe there are things that man cannot have an answer to. nearly 10% of the American population is homosexual. Does that mean that 10% of the American population have outright decided to leave God's path? Then why is it that so many homosexuals actively seek the word of God? They seek the opportunity to celebrate God and worship like everyone else. There has to be a place for them to do that and if it is my congregation at my church, The Community of Christ, well then I am proud to have them. I believe we must celebrate diversity for God has made all people in the likeness of him. God doen't make mistakes, therefore he must have meant for 10% of our population to test our abilities to accept everyone. To test our hearts for unconditional love of our brother and sisters in Christ. I believe people have free will to choose the path they believe is right. My job is to live life as a Christian serving the Lord and let others know of his Love. I do not believe for one second that means Judge and segregate certain people or pretend as though I am all knowing in God's reasoning for the way people are or if the personal choices of others are right or wrong in his eyes. It is not my duty to decide whether homosexuality is wrong, God will decide. It is his decision and not mine. I feel that if you are in a fulfilling relationship with one person and you can maintain that Love for your whole life and it makes you truly happy, then pray about it (just as my husband and I pray about all of our decsions) and let God be the Judge. HE hasn't done me wrong yet.
My Great Grandmother (who is also an active member of the Church) has told me that God has a plan for each of us and sometimes it is unclear where a path is heading, but everything you do everyday takes you to where God wants you to go. If you go astray and you ask for help he will lead you back to the path because he loves you.
What you say makes perfect sense to me. Thank God, there are several churches that have compassionate teachings in regards to our GLBT citizens. I pray that God will soften the hearts of all other religions and spiritual teachings to follow the example of Community of Christ, and other churches who express the love of Christ in its fullness.
doctrine matters

Fate, TX

#21 Feb 19, 2007
I also am a member of The Community of Christ. I stumbled across this page when searching for The Community of Christ doctrine on marraige. Just this last Sunday I was disturbed when a young man in our congregation, who is struggling in his marriage, was more or less supported in the idea of devorce. I was crushed.
I understand what others on this page have said about the idea of community. However, I can not believe same sex marriage or behavior is pleasing to GOD. Love the sinner, hate the sin. I have had a lot of close friends that are gay. BUT...THERE IS HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE AND SUPPORT VS, PROMOTING WHAT GOD HAS STATED IS A SIN. Do you support and encourage lying in your children? I mean what's at little lie? We all do it, right? But, it does NOT mean we encourage that choice. I believe only God can change the heart of man, thus loving the sinner. I have a sweat shirt the says "I'm the wretch the song refers to", I know I am know better or loved more by God than anyone els. But, if we except our sins and do not try to over come what we know is displeasing to God, where does that leave us? I know it's a sin but it feels good. I know it's a sin but God will forgive me? God does forgive us, but we can NOT furthur our relationship with him if we continue to choose sin with no thought of the wrong in doing so. Are people born gay? Are peple born liers? Yes. But God gives us doctrine to help us over come our nature and become a reflection of Him. Does this couple love and serve God? Most likely. But we can not get away from God's law, God's teaching and yes, I pray God's love.
COC Member

Round Hill, VA

#22 Mar 29, 2007
Why the deception. Why doesn't COC just make the statement of what they support on this issue. I know why, they need the money. Stupid me.

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