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The Pastor at the Nazarene church is Corbin Ky is convicted in Federal court of hiring illegals. He hides this from his church members and althought the DS has been informed nothing is done about it! That makes the church look bad!
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I guess we should not blame the church for the mishap, it is the pastor to blame and may be the administration as alleged in the posting
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The church of the Nazarene has a problem with authority and covering up the "sins" of their pastors and district leaders. This is a common problem in denominations, as we see the way the Catholic Church covered up their priest's sins.
I just don't know who they think they are protecting. God is big enough to deal with the truth so why do we keep covering up the truth. There is a verse in the Bible that says the truth will set us free. When the truth is covered up, no matter how ugly, it still sets us free and is always the best choice. God believes in accountability so why do the leaders of the Nazarene Church keep blocking that accounability?
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What's wrong with providing work for illegal immigrants? Are we not called to Jubilee living? I think you miss out entirely on Christ's teachings when you allign yourself with the possessive, materialistic, nationalistic nature of the Empire that is the United States in lieu of the all inclusive, provisionary nature of the Kingdom of God. For shame.
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The Church of the Nazarene is made up of people and ministered by people just like any other denomination, and because they are people, they sometimes lose sight of the mission of Christ and center it on themselves which leads to problems that inhibits the spread of Christ's word. Some of the problems are minor, some are major, some are criminal, some aren't, some are a sin of commission and some are a sin of ommission. We are called to live lives that are as Christlike, not perfect, because only Christ was perfect. We are in the process of "becoming", and because we are in that process, our humaness does come out, sometimes as purposeful sin, which needs to be punished, and honest mistakes, which needs to be acknowledged, and both of which needs to be forgiven. In that spirit, we should also be "other oriented" and not "self oriented", because that is the mission of Christ, to draw all people to him.... this is the mission of the Church of the Nazarene.... and the Baptists, the Lutherans, the Methodists, Freewill Baptists, Catholics etc. Regardless of denomination, we as believers are all commissioned to live lives that are holy, have relationships with others outside the "bubble" of the Church, and serve others.
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I have been a lifelong Baptist. Recently, I started attending a Nazarene church and loved the preaching and praise and worship music as my church had became too watered down with no spirit led worship. Now I have big questions. Maybe someone can help me, I refuse to discuss this with the pastor because he seems to take offense and always blame things on the devil.
Here are things I am noticing and would like to know if this is a Nazarene way of doing things or is it just the church I'm attending? Please read the following carefully:
Preachings:
1. That nowhere in the bible does it say that you cannot drink although I think Christians should not. This is a pastor's direct quote. To me, I feel holy spirit conviction that this is wrong. He confuses the message with 'no drunkards shall enter heaven, wine is a mocker, etc. etc.' Really, it sends mixed messages and I am afraid that some former alcoholics in the church that are still very tempted, may see this as a green light to go drink.
2. The pastor does not lay his hands upon any females, although I did see him do it to an elderly woman once during altar call when he prays with them. Most times, he does not pray with the women. Women pray with the women. He will not counsel anyone without his wife present.
3. There is a 'lottery' I will call it going around the church. There has been a building fund set up, the church will not borrow the money to build on, so someone came up with this idea to have everyone draw an envelope and in this envelope is a pledge to give whatever amount stated on the paper to the building fund.
4. People that are not preachers are being allowed to stand up and preach in the church. Never experienced this at a Baptist church unless it was a guest pastor from another church. These are members of the congregation and I hate to say, some of them are definitely not 'anointed' although the pastor claims them to be so. They are better 'teachers' to me. They definitely don't get the holy spirit moving.
5. You can miss church for 2 weeks and no one will call you to see how you are or if you fell off the face of the earth. But, certain people are checked on if they just miss one day. Makes you feel insignificant and here they are always talking about fellowship, who wants to fellowship with people that don't demonstrate caring any better than that?
6. The custodian that was a member of the church was fired by the board (and I must say that I don't see where he wasn't keeping the church clean)the very person that fired him and complained is asking people and has been for months now to come in and clean the church. I feel that he should be the one cleaning the church because it is funny to me that once this custodian member of the church was removed, this board member was the very one to replace him as being the one leading the prayer requests before church and then filling his spot occasionally preaching before the church.
I am a witness that my pastor once told a church member that she was just coming to church for a car because they had given her one. He never apologized to her. I feel that the church is starting to be over ran with controlling people and the pastor is letting them have the authority over the church. I am not a member and I am thinking about giving my tithes and offerings to other humanitarian causes such as children's hospitals, etc. I feel that this church has become about money and greed. It was not this way in the beginning. Now it's always money money money. And I don't particularly agree with the drawing envelopes of up to $100 to put in the building fund and then announce it is due 2 wks later. That is wrong.
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I have thru the years met someone wonderful caring people from the nazarene church----- and on the other hand, i met some who were controlling, unloving, uncaring-----If you feel that something is not right------you should approch the pastor, if you can get to him,with respect, and ask your question in a christian way-----now depending on how he responds( positively, negatively, or blame you for not understanding, etc..... Then you will absolitely know if this is or not the congragation for you and your family

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I agree to an extent with Seriously from Vancouver. However, everyone has the right to have and opinion, and the pastor should treat these as he would like to be treated. Also no one has a right to be wrong in their "facts", bearing false witness is a sin, according to the BEST reference I can find,my Bible. Bottom line: We should be attending the church of our choice in a Christian manner, to worship Jesus our Saviour, not to watch everyone around us. James 4:11-12. God Bless!
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Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. (NIV)
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Whats wrong with church? Every one has taken for granted that they are "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"
and have lost their salvation by eliminating sin as sin. You sin as you please with out repenting your sins.
You have turned America in to Sin City.
You worship the GODDESS OF SEX. Your religion is divided in 100 ways. You accept doctrine like blowwing in the wind each and every way. You don't know who the ANTI_CHRIST IS. YOU look for it in Christianity. BUT it is not there. THe Anti-Christ is those that separate
CHRIST FROM JESUS. John-2 Chapter 4 Do Catholic's and Protestants separate CHRIST FROM JESUS?": NO! so why are accuesing each other? You are fooled by Islam. THeir Jesus is separeted from CHRIST. Gay and lesbein divide the Church. Lust is not of the FATHER. Take a good look at your self.
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I read all of your questions. They are all legitimate questions. I am not in the Nazarene church but, I was raised there for most all of my life until about 16 years of age (am now in my 30s). My Grandfather is also a member on the board of a Nazarene Seminary.
I have recently been studying the doctrines of the Nazarene church & have found that the Church of the Nazarene is basically a cult. There are several reasons why I say this but below are a few examples:Loss of salvation is a doctrine taught,Entire Sanctification(leading to a sinless life) is taught,Possibility of a carnal Christian is taught,Visions are accepted as truth,God speaking to individuals directly is accepted as truth.

Any 1 of these alone should be enough to alarm you.You are attending a church that teaches a false doctrine. I would highly suggest..no plead w/you to come out from there.Read 2 Cor 6:14-7:1.If you want to discuss this further feel free to email me:joetrainer31@yahoo.com.
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Joe wrote:
I read all of your questions. They are all legitimate questions. I am not in the Nazarene church but, I was raised there for most all of my life until about 16 years of age (am now in my 30s). My Grandfather is also a member on the board of a Nazarene Seminary.
I have recently been studying the doctrines of the Nazarene church & have found that the Church of the Nazarene is basically a cult. There are several reasons why I say this but below are a few examples:Loss of salvation is a doctrine taught,Entire Sanctification(leading to a sinless life) is taught,Possibility of a carnal Christian is taught,Visions are accepted as truth,God speaking to individuals directly is accepted as truth.
Any 1 of these alone should be enough to alarm you.You are attending a church that teaches a false doctrine. I would highly suggest..no plead w/you to come out from there.Read 2 Cor 6:14-7:1.If you want to discuss this further feel free to email me:joetrainer31@yahoo.com.
I'm sorry I don't have a lot of time to respond,.. in short: All of the items Joe mentions above, depending on your reading and understanding of the scriptures may be poor, false doctrines, or just incorrect interpretations of the Church (and be assured that with every doctrine under argument one person will be right in accordance to God and the other will be wrong, God is absolute truth.) BUT, None of these false teachings qualify a cult. Many churches have different interpretations, but the Nazarene Church agrees in the tenants of faith agreed on for over 2,000 years of church history, including, reliance upon the son of God, Jesus Christ and his death on the cross for salvation from sin, that all may have eternal life who accept his free gift, God inspired inerrant Bible, and many other tenants all agreed by the International Evangelical Churches (AssmblyGod/Meth/Baptist/Naz/. ..etc.) So, no Nazarene Church is not a cult, despite arguements surrounding doctrine. Doctrine is important, absolutely, but Nazarenes preach the Truth of Christ's life, which you did not argue against in your message. Thank You kindly, God Bless. I am a Christian first, because I am saved by Jesus Christ, Believe His word is the Bible, and am part of a family of churches which make up the bride of Christ, I also am currently attending a Nazarene church. I pray that the original poster on this forum finds his answers, always consult God's word first. and Lastly, I too strugle at times with the church vs the Church.(little c versus Big C).. Pray for Revival across all our churches.
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We accepted Christ many years ago in a Baptist Church. Then due to our moving to another State we joined, by the Pastor's invitation, The First Methodist Church. Unfortunately, the Pastor had to move and his replacement was very dictatorial and there was a resulant loss of membership. At that time we joined the Nazarene Church and were very pleased with the change. When we moved again following retirement, we reassociated with the Nazarene Church in our new location. We have been very active for the past ten years but are ready for a change. We have had several of our active members move to a non-denominational Church and are very pleased with the service. We have not made any decisions yet but we are considering a like move. We have several family members who are active with the Later Day Saints so that may be one avenue we explore.
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What? What's wrong with providing work for criminals? Where is this guy coming from? I'm going to assume he/she leans towards our current president's policies also. Jubilee lifestyle?? Huh? What new-age, quasi-christian book did he read that from? Certainly not the Bible. If a "jubilee lifestyle" concept exists, it certainly doesn't mean aiding and abetting immorality (criminals).
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What's wrong with providing work for illegal immigrants? Are we not called to Jubilee living? I think you miss out entirely on Christ's teachings when you allign yourself with the possessive, materialistic, nationalistic nature of the Empire that is the United States in lieu of the all inclusive, provisionary nature of the Kingdom of God. For shame.
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Sep 11, 2010
 
It is a cult. I am a christian but nazarene church does not SEE christianity like I do. Jesus would never be accepted in that church!!
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The churc h of the Nazarene is a cult. No "Baptist" has any business in a Nazarene church.
Dont Know Much wrote:
I have been a lifelong Baptist. Recently, I started attending a Nazarene church and loved the preaching and praise and worship music as my church had became too watered down with no spirit led worship. Now I have big questions. Maybe someone can help me, I refuse to discuss this with the pastor because he seems to take offense and always blame things on the devil.
Here are things I am noticing and would like to know if this is a Nazarene way of doing things or is it just the church I'm attending? Please read the following carefully:
Preachings:
1. That nowhere in the bible does it say that you cannot drink although I think Christians should not. This is a pastor's direct quote. To me, I feel holy spirit conviction that this is wrong. He confuses the message with 'no drunkards shall enter heaven, wine is a mocker, etc. etc.' Really, it sends mixed messages and I am afraid that some former alcoholics in the church that are still very tempted, may see this as a green light to go drink.
2. The pastor does not lay his hands upon any females, although I did see him do it to an elderly woman once during altar call when he prays with them. Most times, he does not pray with the women. Women pray with the women. He will not counsel anyone without his wife present.
3. There is a 'lottery' I will call it going around the church. There has been a building fund set up, the church will not borrow the money to build on, so someone came up with this idea to have everyone draw an envelope and in this envelope is a pledge to give whatever amount stated on the paper to the building fund.
4. People that are not preachers are being allowed to stand up and preach in the church. Never experienced this at a Baptist church unless it was a guest pastor from another church. These are members of the congregation and I hate to say, some of them are definitely not 'anointed' although the pastor claims them to be so. They are better 'teachers' to me. They definitely don't get the holy spirit moving.
5. You can miss church for 2 weeks and no one will call you to see how you are or if you fell off the face of the earth. But, certain people are checked on if they just miss one day. Makes you feel insignificant and here they are always talking about fellowship, who wants to fellowship with people that don't demonstrate caring any better than that?
6. The custodian that was a member of the church was fired by the board (and I must say that I don't see where he wasn't keeping the church clean)the very person that fired him and complained is asking people and has been for months now to come in and clean the church. I feel that he should be the one cleaning the church because it is funny to me that once this custodian member of the church was removed, this board member was the very one to replace him as being the one leading the prayer requests before church and then filling his spot occasionally preaching before the church.
I am a witness that my pastor once told a church member that she was just coming to church for a car because they had given her one. He never apologized to her. I feel that the church is starting to be over ran with controlling people and the pastor is letting them have the authority over the church. I am not a member and I am thinking about giving my tithes and offerings to other humanitarian causes such as children's hospitals, etc. I feel that this church has become about money and greed. It was not this way in the beginning. Now it's always money money money. And I don't particularly agree with the drawing envelopes of up to $100 to put in the building fund and then announce it is due 2 wks later. That is wrong.
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You change denominations like you are changing your clothes? Nazarene is a false cult and so is latter day saints. Read y9our bible.
Felis Pardalis wrote:
We accepted Christ many years ago in a Baptist Church. Then due to our moving to another State we joined, by the Pastor's invitation, The First Methodist Church. Unfortunately, the Pastor had to move and his replacement was very dictatorial and there was a resulant loss of membership. At that time we joined the Nazarene Church and were very pleased with the change. When we moved again following retirement, we reassociated with the Nazarene Church in our new location. We have been very active for the past ten years but are ready for a change. We have had several of our active members move to a non-denominational Church and are very pleased with the service. We have not made any decisions yet but we are considering a like move. We have several family members who are active with the Later Day Saints so that may be one avenue we explore.
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The Nazarene church has done irreparable damage to my family, it is cult like enviroment, the pastor has too much power, they destroy families in the name of god, the excessive drama during sermons removes credibility,their superiors sweep problems under the rug, they allow bad behavior at youth events to help increase their numbers, I could go on for pages with this if you attend a nazarene visit other christain churchs and see the differences.
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Dont Know Much wrote:
I have been a lifelong Baptist. Recently, I started attending a Nazarene church and loved the preaching and praise and worship music as my church had became too watered down with no spirit led worship. Now I have big questions. Maybe someone can help me, I refuse to discuss this with the pastor because he seems to take offense and always blame things on the devil.
Here are things I am noticing and would like to know if this is a Nazarene way of doing things or is it just the church I'm attending? Please read the following carefully:
Preachings:
1. That nowhere in the bible does it say that you cannot drink although I think Christians should not. This is a pastor's direct quote. To me, I feel holy spirit conviction that this is wrong. He confuses the message with 'no drunkards shall enter heaven, wine is a mocker, etc. etc.' Really, it sends mixed messages and I am afraid that some former alcoholics in the church that are still very tempted, may see this as a green light to go drink.
2. The pastor does not lay his hands upon any females, although I did see him do it to an elderly woman once during altar call when he prays with them. Most times, he does not pray with the women. Women pray with the women. He will not counsel anyone without his wife present.
3. There is a 'lottery' I will call it going around the church. There has been a building fund set up, the church will not borrow the money to build on, so someone came up with this idea to have everyone draw an envelope and in this envelope is a pledge to give whatever amount stated on the paper to the building fund.
4. People that are not preachers are being allowed to stand up and preach in the church. Never experienced this at a Baptist church unless it was a guest pastor from another church. These are members of the congregation and I hate to say, some of them are definitely not 'anointed' although the pastor claims them to be so. They are better 'teachers' to me. They definitely don't get the holy spirit moving.
5. You can miss church for 2 weeks and no one will call you to see how you are or if you fell off the face of the earth. But, certain people are checked on if they just miss one day. Makes you feel insignificant and here they are always talking about fellowship, who wants to fellowship with people that don't demonstrate caring any better than that?
6. The custodian that was a member of the church was fired by the board (and I must say that I don't see where he wasn't keeping the church clean)the very person that fired him and complained is asking people and has been for months now to come in and clean the church. I feel that he should be the one cleaning the church because it is funny to me that once this custodian member of the church was removed, this board member was the very one to replace him as being the one leading the prayer requests before church and then filling his spot occasionally preaching before the church.
I am a witness that my pastor once told a church member that she was just coming to church for a car because they had given her one. He never apologized to her. I feel that the church is starting to be over ran with controlling people and the pastor is letting them have the authority over the church. I am not a member and I am thinking about giving my tithes and offerings to other humanitarian causes such as children's hospitals, etc. I feel that this church has become about money and greed. It was not this way in the beginning. Now it's always money money money. And I don't particularly agree with the drawing envelopes of up to $100 to put in the building fund and then announce it is due 2 wks later. That is wrong.
Drinking is not wrong but getting drunk is wrong. I often see these huge people running down drinking when they are gluttons. why don't you just visit some churches. Maybe the Lord wants you to go someone where else. Have you asked God?
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I have never found a church which did not have issues....being in recovery for 30 years, I have attended a Nazarene Church and often felt like an outcast because I was sober not according to their beliefs. But that goes with all denominations.
Sometimes I come across good people in the Nazarene who don't give a damn if I am a member or not. I think if you join a denomination you are obligated to follow their beliefs...so I have not join this church.
Baptist, Catholic, Mormons, Nazarene, Islam.....just find a place where you get help....

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