Why are you here? What is your purpose?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#32 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
The other day, I looked around my house. I walked into my sitting lounge in my master bedroom. I thought about all the rooms I could be in, all the cars I could drive, all the places I could fly to, trips to Hawaii, India, Paris, London, Italy, China, Japan, etc. then I thought about the one trip to Hawaii, when my brother had to leave and his wife had to work and I thought about the fact that most joys in life are with family and friends.
However, when we die, to be stuck with a delusional idea that 70 to 85 years get you eternal dirt in your face is absurd.
The idea of God, heaven and hell, not only makes since, but it is the only sane purpose one can find for being here.
If we look at our schools, it is modeled after tests, so is applying for a job, and even winning the lotto means that you had to accomplish something. Nothing that we accumulate in this life can be taken with us, not our homes, cars, children, spouses or parents.
So, if we acquire friends, spouses, parents and siblings there must be a place and time after death where we can all meet, IF we are invited through Christ.
No. No to all of the above. Its just wishful thinking because you're a scared human afraid of the dark.

There is nothing truly scriptural, nor doctrinal to support the notion of a grand meeting hall after we die.

Now an after-life might be a sane idea - but they way its presented by all major Religions, especially Xtianity, is no where near the town of Sane. Its not even in the next county, State, or shares a border of any sort..!!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#33 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
I mean why are you on this earth? Do you have a purpose for being here? I watch people, sinners and atheists, they sober up on Monday morning, some, drink their coffee (drug) somber into work, buzzing around for an hour or two, then finally get to work.
When asked about their weekend they say it was great. Things like, went to a party, a club,got drunk, got stoned, wasted and almost got hit by a drunk driver. Or, they stayed home, watched sports, went to a movie and played with the children.
Okay, now it is Monday, so they start looking towards the same for next weekend. Except for their jobs, boring, their lives are boring.
Now, think about the evolution atheist idea, humans have been doing this for what 150,000 years or 200 million in some species form.
What happens to you when you die? Well, no, not your corpse, but you, the brain, feeling and heart part of you.
If you say it becomes energy, then you are saying that this process will never end.
If you say that it finds a new body, then you are saying that this process will never end.
if so, then evolution is not very orderly, because you get 73 to 87 years if you are lucky. Some only get 2 years, some 20 years, some only 30 years, then what?
What is your purpose and why are you here?
No, I never meant why are you in the Christian Forum, although the answers are likely the same.
Whats not very orderly or efficient is the notion of an After-life. It makes no sense that SuperBeing would have sectioned off some magical place "out-there" for our so-called Souls to gather after their body stops functioning. Whats the point? What would it serve the SuperBeing, or any other purpose? If its to just serve this God all over again, F that! That's like a double tax, or being double-billed...

But the grand fantasy of Believers is that we'll gather with family and friends and sit around the trailer park in our eternally comfortable lounge chairs, sipping the nectar of the God/s, where its never too hot, or cold, just right, and everyone laughs and gets along...and Uncle Bubba no longer sits around in his underwear, but wears clean, glistening clothes for the first time in his adult life...
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#36 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>the material mas which encases your mind, is not your brain.
WTF? Care to explain WTF that means?

If you dint care enough to make sense from the first sentence in - why should we give a hamsters ball hair what you want to know?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#37 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>

I did not ask you about the sanity of ideas from religion or if you believe what I believed.

I asked you a simple question, which is "Why are you here? and What is your purpose." I did not say anything about God, religion or my purpose, I asked about yours. I want to know what purpose enters into your head each time you wake up, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly and at the end of your years, why were you here.
It appears as if you do not know and that you wonder aimlessly without a purpose or reason for being here.
I love it when posters are duplicitous - You said; "The idea of God, heaven and hell, not only makes since, but it is the only sane purpose one can find for being here."

Uh, ya did mention Religious beliefs and God and you said that believing in your God is the only sane option. When you make such statements you color the conversation to the point we all know its futile to say anything about our beliefs, or non-beliefs.

When you make such outlandish statements it makes it crystal clear you dont give a shyte what we have to say...you're merely trying to rattle the cage...

The problem will be no mater what I say my purose or what drives me will be deemed wrong, and/or whatever terms you decide to use.

YOU think you're the first Xtian to propose this Q? And you think I and many others have not tried to play along only to be met with your thick forehead, where nothing penetrates...?

Here's how to better play this game. Put your shyte on the table first, be honest and forthcoming...then don't try and lead with your editorials ("its the sane choice") in the middle of what you call "Questions"...tell us what YOU define as purpose, and apply it to your life and why...!

You're so dishonest you don't even know you had the entire conversation with yourself in your first 2-3 posts.

You didnt start this thread with an honest attempt at inquiry, to have a real conversation...you started mind-made-up. Its already over. Nothing I/others say will ever get thru your bricked-up skull.

I'm so sick of this Xtian POV that "worship" of your God is some grand purpose for you all. Its BS! Its a crock of BS, worshiping this God of yours is not a purpose! Its a grand lie and scheme to self-elevate yourselves above others. "Oh if you don't worship my God, you have no purpose in life...whats the point in doing anything if you don't worship my God! The purpose of life is to worship and serve my God!"

All a load of grade A bullshyte!

Whats more annoying is that YOU think you're the first one on the block to take this cliched approach...!
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#38 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>
It appears as if you do not know and that you wonder aimlessly without a purpose or reason for being here.
You would be 100% wrong. But I KNOW my answers wont matter to you, because you've entered this conversation with mind-made-up - as the above line of yours proves.

It appears? What are you a f'n mindreader now? You can "see" thru the electronic transmissions...!

What appears to me is that YOUR another American Xtian who thinks because he believes in some God you've figured-out everything there is to figure out. In other words a tiresome old cliche of a person.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#39 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>I did not ask you about the sanity of ideas from religion or if you believe what I believed.
I asked you a simple question, which is "Why are you here? and What is your purpose." I did not say anything about God, religion or my purpose, I asked about yours. I want to know what purpose enters into your head each time you wake up, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly and at the end of your years, why were you here.
It appears as if you do not know and that you wonder aimlessly without a purpose or reason for being here.
Simple Q...??

Really, suddenly that's a simple question? Hundreds of thousands of years and as many people pondering on it, and as many ideas and beliefs on the Q and now its simple...?

What a moron!

Here's a simple Q for ya; How deep is down?
15th Dalai Lama

Santa Fe, NM

#40 May 3, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Simple Q...??
Really, suddenly that's a simple question? Hundreds of thousands of years and as many people pondering on it, and as many ideas and beliefs on the Q and now its simple...?
What a moron!
Here's a simple Q for ya; How deep is down?
I am here to worship an old book of myth and legend and worshiping an old book of myth and legend is my purpose, too, so that's exactly what I do and my life has meaning and purpose. I could have entered the universe with my head in my butt, which is really the same thing if you think about it, but that didn't happen so I'm going with plan 'A'.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#41 May 3, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Somber into work? Someone might be somber, but they don't somber. Now they could samba into work... they could even salsa (n)...but no one sombers.

Me thinks Mr Wilde would not have made such a dumb mistake.

1. If I die out in an open field, or in the water, I will become energy...as I will be food for other creatures. But I will not just go Poof! and become energy. No one with a decent education would think such things.
......... Not!
You will turn to dirt and worm food, not energy.
Dirt does not make energy, but dirt does take energy to move it.

You will become an energy leech.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#42 May 3, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I am here to worship an old book of myth and legend and worshiping an old book of myth and legend is my purpose, too, so that's exactly what I do and my life has meaning and purpose.

I could have entered the universe with my head in my butt, which is really the same thing if you think about it, but that didn't happen so I'm going with plan 'A'.
Good thing you're going with plan 'A'.
Plan 'B' causes hemorrhoids.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#43 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Yet, your smile hides the truth
No, the clip makes me smile because I find it funny.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
and that is that you do not even know why you wake up in the morning
I wake up each morning because I am alive and it's how our bodies work.
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
and what your purpose is each day.
Since it's my life I set my own purpose (or not) each day.

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#44 May 3, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Two simple questions were asked and you have no answer as of yet. Why are YOU here and what is YOUR purpose.
If you believe that the soul and psychiatry the treatment of it does not exist, then why are you here and why do you exist?
I can answer both questions correctly with the same answer.

My father ejaculated into my mothers vagina. Millions of sperm issued forth and one made it to my mothers ovum, fertilized and and 9 months later I was born.

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#46 May 4, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>So, you like most people who whine, do not have a clue what your purpose is and why you are here. He did not ask you how you got here. I think they are profound questions,and I also think that the questions scare you.
Does there need to be a reason? Some think yes and some think no.

To be perfectly honest I don't give the matter any thought. So you are wrong about the questions scaring me.

I have a balanced life between work and family, married over twenty years and partnership in a business.
Two intelligent children both healthy and doing well at school.

Is that my purpose if I even have one? I don't know. What I do know is that my time here is limited and I believe I have led and continue to lead a good life along the way.

Please answer what your purpose is and why you are here. Thanks Oscar.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#47 May 4, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Two simple questions were asked and you have no answer as of yet. Why are YOU here and what is YOUR purpose.
If you believe that the soul and psychiatry the treatment of it does not exist, then why are you here and why do you exist?
First of all, psychiatry is a science of the MIND, not the soul. Scientifically speaking there is no evidence for the existence of the soul.

To most people, your "soul" is simply your personality. And your personality is dependent upon several things, the two most influential being the way your brain is wired from birth (genetics or nature) and the environment in which you live (nurture).

Personality disorders are typically caused by chemical reactions in the brain or areas of the brain that don't function properly. There are people who cannot distinguish between right and wrong. In your theology they would be damned, but you have to question the idea of a God who created those people that way in the first place.

As science moves us forward we are learning more and more about the universe, and we are moving farther and farther away from God. That's why religious leaders are rabidly anti-science: they know that they will lose their power and their stature if their congregations embrace new discoveries in science.

As to your original questions, I am here because I am not somewhere else.

And my purpose is to p1ss you off. Looks like I've succeeded.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#48 May 4, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>So, you like most people who whine, do not have a clue what your purpose is and why you are here. He did not ask you how you got here. I think they are profound questions,and I also think that the questions scare you.
We're all here because the purpose of life is to ensure its continuation.

There, I've answered both questions at the same time!

The questions are only profound if you are irrational, or ignorant. "Why does one plus one equal two and not three" can be just as profound to someone who is ignorant of the history of mathematics and the role that logic played in its formation.

"What are the chances that I would be right here right now, doing exactly what I'm doing, given all the choices I've made in my life" is another simple question that appears profound to people who are ignorant of the laws of probability. The probability of you being precisely the person you are right now is exactly 1. Do you know why? I highly doubt it.

That's why the more intelligent ones posting here constantly berate and ridicule you idiotic superstitious Christians. You're completely ignorant when it comes to rational thinking, deductive reasoning, probability theory, and the physical sciences.

If you would be open minded enough to actually learn what we know then we wouldn't be so haughty and dismissive.

But your minds are closed, and the slightly sadistic ones among my group enjoy the sport of dancing on your brains. You can't compete with us intellectually, and we know it, and we enjoy watching you idiots fumble around in the darkness bumping into reality while never recognizing it.

You amuse us, and I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the many laughs you imbeciles have provided.

Have a great weekend.
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#49 May 4, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
You will turn to dirt and worm food, not energy.
Dirt does not make energy, but dirt does take energy to move it.
You will become an energy leech.
Like I said if I died in an open field or in the open water - somethings would eat me and in a sense that would provide them food and therefore energy. Like when we eat animals...steak is merely stored energy in a manner of speaking. You describe another process...which isn't really right description. Dirt, actual dirt, isn't really worm food...thats like saying ocean water is whale food.(baleen whales)
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#50 May 4, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>So, you like most people who whine, do not have a clue what your purpose is and why you are here. He did not ask you how you got here. I think they are profound questions,and I also think that the questions scare you.
No, you're wrong. You think because you believe in a God and worship it thats solved your purpose problem? Well it hasn't. Its a lazy default answer from people who are truly scared of the unknown and woefully afraid of the dark. "Oh, I believe in God and now all my worries about purpose are solved."

I call BS on this trite Xtian BS. Its nothing but BS.

Having a purpose has some sense of a goal, an end for the means. You worship blindly with no real knowledge of why? To please a God? Why? Why does he need, demand worship? Whats his end game? Whats the real reward actually look like? None of you know, but you sure do make up a lot of cr/p to sooth that gaping wound of not knowing jack-shyte.

But Oscar Whiner here says the question is a simple one, and you say its profound...which I agree with, and so does humanity which for thousands of years, involving millions of humans has been pondering on that Q, and to date no one has solved it...and millions of answers are presented. But Oscar Whiner says its simple.

Why no real answer? Because any individuals purpose cant be defined by someone else. And the knee-jerk response of Worshiping a God is not an answer that solves the problems. Because the problems become greater. Whats the purpose of the worship? Whats the purpose of all the little worship dances everyone does and does differently? If I turn right will it matter, what if I turn left? Whats the purpose of either?

But Oscar Whiner, and probably YOU, doesn't really seek an honest and open dialog - Whiner has his mind-made up and is gonna demand the Q is simple and that the only real answer, the only sane one according to him, is to Worship HIS God. That he says is the purpose of life. The reason to get out of bed, to work, to love, the reason to tie your shoes, to eat with a fork...and without worship all these things become meaningless and done for nothing...

Its Xtian BS!
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#51 May 4, 2013
Oscar, did you change avatars? Why the deceit? is that your purpose?
Punisher

Tuckahoe, NY

#52 May 4, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>So, you like most people who whine, do not have a clue what your purpose is and why you are here. He did not ask you how you got here. I think they are profound questions,and I also think that the questions scare you.
And yet the Q's are bigger. There's the, "Why are We here?" - and there's the, "Why am I here?" Two Q's that are going to be evoke profoundly different reactions depending on who you ask, where you ask, how you ask, etc...

And explain why the Q's would cause fear...?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#59 May 4, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>If your purpose is to piss me off,then you are sad and you have failed to accomplish that. What I see is that your purpose is to be pissed off. I also see that you are pissed off because nothing in science validates your ideas and you are afraid. A true white scientists would except evidence even if it led to whites and whites only being discovered to being mutant byproducts of rats and monkeys. You simply seek your own biases.
As for the science of psychiatry and psychology, why don't you attempt education, they will teach you.
The Definition of "Psychology"
by Gene Zimmer
The word "psychology" is the combination of two terms - study (ology) and soul (psyche), or mind. The derivation of the word from Latin gives it this clear and obvious meaning:
The study of the soul or mind.
This meaning has been altered over the years until today, this is not what the word means at all. The subject of psychology, as studied in colleges and universities, currently has very little to do with the mind, and absolutely nothing to do with the soul or spirit.
Let's see what a few dictionaries have to say and how a word could alter and lose it's true and actual meaning.
"Psyche" is defined as:
1. The spirit or soul.
2. The human mind.
3. In psychoanalysis, the mind functioning as the center of thought, emotion, and behavior.
And defining "soul", we have:
1. the spiritual or immortal elements in a person.
2. a person's mental or moral or emotional nature.
Most of us would agree we have a "psyche" per the above definitions in the sense of "mind", thought, and emotions. Most would also agree they have a "soul" per the second definition above relating to man's mental, moral or emotional nature. We might all have different notions about what these ultimately are, but few could sanely disagree they exist.
The derivation of "psyche" comes from Latin and the Greek psukhe - breath, life, soul. To get a better "feel" for this term think of it as the invisible animating principle or entity which occupies and directs the physical body.
We are not dealing with opinions or beliefs here. This is simply what the words and terms mean. Get clear on this first and understand what the words and terms mean, before you start getting into the opinions of others on the subject. If you choose to decide the "mind" refers to nothing real after understanding what the words and definitions mean, despite the fact that almost 10,000 years of thinking men have seriously and carefully looked into this subject, and after no real investigation on your own part, that's your decision. Also, realize you will be basing this decision on "thinking" and "reason", both of which are only subsidiary to and part of any one mind, and neglecting to use a greater aspect of your mind - your personal awareness and direct observation. Basing a decision on what other people say about a mind involves only concepts and ideas about a mind. Observation involves experiencing the mind itself - your own mind.
GOSH, NOW YOU REALLY SEEM PISSED, SORRY, NOT MY PURPOSE.
Psychology and psychiatry are very different, you idiot.

The fact that you've conflated the two proves that you're a simpleton.

The rest of your post was gibberish, I'm afraid. Please let me know when you've mastered the English language.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#62 May 5, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>No, friend, I have always had this avatar. You do know who the person in the avatar is, don't you? No, one of my purpose is to be anonymous and to avoid all PI posting specific to me. Thanks for asking.
Why does it say "if things are so goog" under your avatar?

The real Oscar Wilde was highly literate. You're barely semi-literate. I mean, really, "one of my purpose "?

Your opinions are worthless.

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