How do you believe in the invisable?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#79 Oct 26, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Specious - same book, same God, same theme - nothing new,\
Nothing new??? How IGNORANT of you. NEW Covenant.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#80 Oct 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Nope...god in his wisdom is far greater then you can imagine
He is already helping true Christians leave the system
today parents are taking back the responsibility of teaching their own children..including God in everything
and with the advance of technology like internet, parents have access to the best teachers that can be found on certain subjects
Christians are innovators..atheists are stale in their ideas
I wholeheartedly agree that "God" in his wisdom is far greater than you can imagine; the problem is that you imagine you understand "God" in his wisdom, and aren't afraid to tell everyone.

"We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never." -Albert Einstein

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#81 Oct 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Christian thinking from God, inspired the west to reach a civilized world of no bars and doors
Whilst other nations that disregarded the Christian message disintegrated into darkness and violence
the places where we see such revolting violence done by one human being to another on a large scale , is those countries that don't have Christ...
And what is worse its the atheists in the west that have promoted multi-culture ,
And a large amount of these atheists were gays, who wanted the restrictions of the 'rights' love of God watered down on their lust.
And it is they who have promoted and forced the government to accept the import of foreign gods..and the result...they also import the violence from those false religion countries.
You really are a very stupid person, and a bigot, a bigot who spouts their bigotry but cannot substantiate any of it. Hardly surprising, as bigotry and stupidity go hand in hand. Lying for Jesus is a fundie trait, so I am not surprised you post such nonsense as I recall the time you lied when you said I condoned the Boston bombings, when I very clearly did no such thing. You really do need to clear the fundie mist from what little brains you have before you open your mouth in future!
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#82 Oct 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Nope...god in his wisdom is far greater then you can imagine
He is already helping true Christians leave the system
today parents are taking back the responsibility of teaching their own children..including God in everything
and with the advance of technology like internet, parents have access to the best teachers that can be found on certain subjects
Christians are innovators..atheists are stale in their ideas
The numbers prove you wrong. There is no mass-exodus from the System.

Faux-God help all of us if Fundy Xtians are the sole teachers of their children...how can the ignorant teach anything but more ignorance! A recipe for a doomed culture!(Hmmm, which might actually aid the rest of us who live in Reality and deal with reality.)

Whats innovative about Xtians? You toss words around that I don't believe you know the actual meanings to.

Example this innovation...please...
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#83 Oct 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Nope...god in his wisdom is far greater then you can imagine
He is already helping true Christians leave the system
today parents are taking back the responsibility of teaching their own children..including God in everything
and with the advance of technology like internet, parents have access to the best teachers that can be found on certain subjects
Christians are innovators..atheists are stale in their ideas
Whats funny in a sad way - is you ignore what I asked of you. Show us what the prayer levels are that would satisfy your God? There has to be a level he responds to...as I explained in my post.

So please tell us, what number of prayers need to be recited for him to bless us again...?

Violence has never stopped by prayers, in fact the level of violence in today's world is less than it was during the hey-days of Xtian cultural power. That more (minor) events get more press doesn't support your claims, nor mean the numbers are rising...only that we're better at disseminating "news".
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#84 Oct 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Christian thinking from God, inspired the west to reach a civilized world of no bars and doors
Whilst other nations that disregarded the Christian message disintegrated into darkness and violence
the places where we see such revolting violence done by one human being to another on a large scale , is those countries that don't have Christ...
And what is worse its the atheists in the west that have promoted multi-culture ,

And a large amount of these atheists were gays, who wanted the restrictions of the 'rights' love of God watered down on their lust.

And it is they who have promoted and forced the government to accept the import of foreign gods..and the result...they also import the violence from those false religion countries.
Wow! Just simply WOW! The lack of anything intelligent or fact based in this post is frightening...

Folks, We're trying to have a conversation with what might be a certified moron.

This is the ranting of a mind-less brain; "And a large amount of these atheists were gays, who wanted the restrictions of the 'rights' love of God watered down on their lust."

"...'rights' love of God watered down..." WTF?

Lambsie is a perfect example of what happens when a Faith based belief culture makes feelings and opinions out to be facts. Which is the direct result of allowing Xtian beliefs and its power structures to go unfettered and unchallenged for so long...it breeds Morons. Morons who believe that what they make-up is real and in this case historical...!

WOW! Its all I really have for this one...wow!
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#85 Oct 27, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Nothing new??? How IGNORANT of you. NEW Covenant.
Emperors new clothes...
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#86 Oct 27, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Surely you can back up your claim with examples, complete with web-site links.
Or did your mouth write a check your brain can't cash?
What?

Sages and Oracles and Shamans and other "Holy" men/woman visiting the realm of the dead is hardly unique to Xtianity...its far older and is part of nearly all cultures with a developed belief system...and Xtianity relied on these belief system in its very important history of Mysticism (which often took place in various not-so doctrinal Xtian backwaters, where local, older pagan beliefs held some control)...which lingers to this day with those who believe in Faith healers, etc...nothing but modern spins on pagan Shamanism...Jesus' healing powers is nothing but that older tradition)

Africa, Australia, all of the America's, the Asian continent and islands across the Pacific...Northern and Southern Europe, the British Isles...all their pre-Xtian belief systems have stories of their Holy men/woman and/or their "heroes" visiting the realm of the dead, or being visited by those from that realm...

Info is out there...just because the Xtian Religion tried to erase these cultures belief systems (after co-opting many of their ideas) and just because true Xtian faith shuts down ones inquisitiveness and builds a brick wall around ones brain
doesn't mean the reality and truth isnt out there to be learned...!

My accounts are all balanced..which cant be said for those who believe in ancient myths. Deficient and deficit prone...
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#87 Oct 27, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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I wholeheartedly agree that "God" in his wisdom is far greater than you can imagine; the problem is that you imagine you understand "God" in his wisdom, and aren't afraid to tell everyone.
"We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never." -Albert Einstein
That is where you are wrong Jesus says he reveals the Father to us

So the knowledge of God can be seen in the face of Jesus.

Albert Einstein who you quote , is your usage of a man who cheated on his wives as some sort of messiah..no amount of knowledge can give you a noble character.

Didn't matter how wise you think he is, his wisdom didn't produce a faithful man....not very wise at all...family wise...and as dead as a door nail.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#88 Oct 27, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Wow! Just simply WOW! The lack of anything intelligent or fact based in this post is frightening...
Folks, We're trying to have a conversation with what might be a certified moron.
This is the ranting of a mind-less brain; "And a large amount of these atheists were gays, who wanted the restrictions of the 'rights' love of God watered down on their lust."
"...'rights' love of God watered down..." WTF?
Lambsie is a perfect example of what happens when a Faith based belief culture makes feelings and opinions out to be facts. Which is the direct result of allowing Xtian beliefs and its power structures to go unfettered and unchallenged for so long...it breeds Morons. Morons who believe that what they make-up is real and in this case historical...!
WOW! Its all I really have for this one...wow!
Hit a nerve did I..

I know it was the Pseudo intellectuals that thought up

multi- culturism..and most of them are gay..

they have a tendency to replace nobility of character with intellectual snobbery ..and think because they think they can use high fallutin words that makes their argument sound.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#89 Oct 28, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Hit a nerve did I..
I know it was the Pseudo intellectuals that thought up
multi- culturism..and most of them are gay..
they have a tendency to replace nobility of character with intellectual snobbery ..and think because they think they can use high fallutin words that makes their argument sound.
Hit a nerve? The only thing you ever hit is the stupid button. Punisher thinks you are a moron. Guess what? So do I!

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#90 Oct 28, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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And the reason is that you are a Biblical IGNORAMUS!
... does the obvious answer to this question scare you?

Tell me Dollarstard, could you have sex with your kids while drunk and not know about it?

Don't dodge the question. Well, you can dodge it, but that just means you know I am right.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#91 Oct 28, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Nothing new??? How IGNORANT of you. NEW Covenant.
Interesting isn't it, you fundies all love your little scape goat. "But it was in the "OLD" testament, it does not apply anymore"

I love that. The problem is Dollarstard, that it does not matter what testament it was in. It is not possible "As a man" to "function" if you are so incoherent that you don't realize you are doing the nasty with your children.

Play this out in court Dollarstard, would a judge believe you if you told him you accidentally got drunk and impregnated your daughters on 2 different occasions?

You are as delusional as they come.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#92 Oct 28, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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That is where you are wrong Jesus says he reveals the Father to us
So the knowledge of God can be seen in the face of Jesus.
Albert Einstein who you quote , is your usage of a man who cheated on his wives as some sort of messiah..no amount of knowledge can give you a noble character.
Didn't matter how wise you think he is, his wisdom didn't produce a faithful man....not very wise at all...family wise...and as dead as a door nail.
Jesus never wrote a word. The four gospels that you believe to be the word of "God" were not signed by the authors who were later ascribed to those texts and those four texts were determined to be the basis of Christian teaching (by ordinary human beings) 150 years after Jesus died. You, like the Egyptians and the Greeks and all of the other followers of a belief sytem like to think you know all about "God" because the idea that you don't know is too scarey for you. Albert Einstein proved his ability to think correctly about the universe we live in, and he was honest and humble enough to admit that he didn't know very much about "God".
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#93 Oct 28, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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..... Albert Einstein proved his ability to think correctly about the universe we live in, and he was honest and humble enough to admit that he didn't know very much about "God".
Don't be too sure about Einstein not believing in God.
Einstein would tell you different.

"Professor: Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your God.

Student: No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student: Yes.

Professor: According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student: No, sir. There isn’t.

Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is that your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it, sir… Exactly!
The link between man and God is Faith. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

By the way, that student was Albert Einstein."

http://lamourrepandu.wordpress.com/2013/10/28...

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#94 Oct 28, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't be too sure about Einstein not believing in God.
Einstein would tell you different.
"Professor: Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your God.
Student: No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Professor: According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student: No, sir. There isn’t.
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is that your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it, sir… Exactly!
The link between man and God is Faith. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
By the way, that student was Albert Einstein."
http://lamourrepandu.wordpress.com/2013/10/28...
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

A little research goes a long way there champ.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#95 Oct 28, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
A little research goes a long way there champ.
Oh come off it.
If it's on the internet it must be true.
Otherwise yours is false.

By the way, has anybody seen your brain??
There are questions about it's existence.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#97 Oct 29, 2013
Cisco...
Your link provides no source for the story about a young Albert Einstein. You can't believe everything you read on the internet.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein, 1954

"...I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression." - Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#98 Oct 29, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Oh come off it.
If it's on the internet it must be true.
Otherwise yours is false.
By the way, has anybody seen your brain??
There are questions about it's existence.
Yeah, don't like being called out for your lack of research huh?

Word to the wise: Don't post something unless you have researched the source.

As far as your brain... Yes, go do an MRI.

You can not compare the physical to your god, it does not work.

We have all listened to this nonsense before.

There is no way to prove the existence of your invisible friend.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#99 Oct 29, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Yeah, don't like being called out for your lack of research huh?
Word to the wise: Don't post something unless you have researched the source.
As far as your brain... Yes, go do an MRI.
You can not compare the physical to your god, it does not work.
We have all listened to this nonsense before.

There is no way to prove the existence of your invisible friend.
The thinking person knows God is reality.
Only the insane demands proof of reality.

How about Socrates?
Can you prove he existed?

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