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Big Al

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OK, here you are pulling the proverbial shyte out of your azz...'It's thought to be"... gee, did you pull that one from the EVO playbook?
Interesting as you state 'culture', yet Christianity is not set to one culture, but hundreds if not thousands...
"Among its [Hinduism] direct roots is the historical Vedic religion of Iron Age India. As such, Hinduism is often called the 'oldest religion' or 'oldest living religion' in the world." - Wikipedia,(Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia)

Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire (Western Culture) for 1,500 years. It may have existed in other cultures as did Judaism but only in small numbers.

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Attribute to God what is true about God.
Attribute to men what is true about men.
How do you determine the difference?
Cisco Kid

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Big Al wrote:
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"Among its [Hinduism] direct roots is the historical Vedic religion of Iron Age India. As such, Hinduism is often called the 'oldest religion' or 'oldest living religion' in the world." - Wikipedia,(Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia)
Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire (Western Culture) for 1,500 years. It may have existed in other cultures as did Judaism but only in small numbers.
Let's keep things in historical perception.

While Hinduism has direct roots to it's founding in the Iron Age,
The God of Abraham has been directing His people from before the Stone Age.
Cisco Kid

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Nov 18, 2013
 
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Longevity proves nothing. Belief in the Egyptian gods lasted at least 2,500 years, until the Holy Roman Empire made Chistianity the official religion of the empire and persecuted all others. The point is that millions of people throughout history have believed in various gods just as sincerely as you believe in yours and you refuse to admit the possibility that your beliefs might be just as wrong as theirs.
The search for God has been found in mankind's relics from the dawn of time.
The search for God is universal.

Have you ever considered that many ancient peoples didn't necessarily worship the wrong God, but instead worshiped the right God in various imperfect ways?

This is why God chose Abraham to be the father of the peoples that were to deliver the messianic salvation of mankind.
And God shepherded that family with direction.

Since mankind evolves slowly, God worked patiently.

Don't blur your vision with the forest, look at the trees.
Cisco Kid

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Nov 18, 2013
 
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How do you determine the difference?
By prayer and study.
Prayer brings humility and study rewards the humble with the holy Spirit's guidance.
The wisdom of The Spirit reveals discernment.

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By prayer and study.
Prayer brings humility and study rewards the humble with the holy Spirit's guidance.
The wisdom of The Spirit reveals discernment.
So why are there so many different "discernments"?

Prayer doesn't do anything BTW. If God has a plan then praying is just begging him to change his mind.
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Nov 18, 2013
 
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So why are there so many different "discernments"?
Prayer doesn't do anything BTW. If God has a plan then praying is just begging him to change his mind.
Sounds like your concept and understanding of prayer is a bit off course.

"For me, prayer is a surge of the heart; it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy."
(St.Thérèse of Lisieux, Manuscrits autobiographiques)

"Prayer is the raising of one's mind and heart to God or the requesting of good things from God."
(St. John Damascene, De fide orth)

But when we pray, do we speak from the height of our pride and will, or "out of the depths" of a humble and contrite heart?
He who humbles himself will be exalted; humility is the foundation of prayer. Only when we humbly acknowledge that "we do not know how to pray as we ought," are we ready to receive freely the gift of prayer.
(Ps 130:1; Lk 18:9-14; Rom 8:26)

"Man is a beggar before God."
(St. Augustine, Sermo 56)

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Nov 18, 2013
 
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How do you determine the difference?
Well, being that you're human, you either already know, or you easily CAN know what is true about men.
But knowing what's true about God will likely take considerable effort and thought initially; very much less so with practice.
I recommend using this as a guiding rule of thumb to go by,.....

What is TRUE about God NEVER contradicts love, goodness, what is just, or what is right.
Big Al

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Nov 19, 2013
 
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Let's keep things in historical perception.
While Hinduism has direct roots to it's founding in the Iron Age,
The God of Abraham has been directing His people from before the Stone Age.
Hinduism is generally considered the oldest living religion because of archeological evidence not the Vedic texts.

“The historical saga contained in the Bible – from Abraham’s encounter with God and his journey to Canaan, to Moses, deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, to the rise and fall of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah – was not a miraculous revelation, but a product of human imagination. It was first conceived – as recent archaeological findings suggest – during the span of two or three generations, about twenty-six hundred years ago.”– Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, Ph.D., director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University
Big Al

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Cisco Kid wrote:
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The search for God has been found in mankind's relics from the dawn of time.
The search for God is universal.
Have you ever considered that many ancient peoples didn't necessarily worship the wrong God, but instead worshiped the right God in various imperfect ways?
This is why God chose Abraham to be the father of the peoples that were to deliver the messianic salvation of mankind.
And God shepherded that family with direction.
Since mankind evolves slowly, God worked patiently.
Don't blur your vision with the forest, look at the trees.
Yes I have considered the possibility that all gods are simply different interpretations of the same thing and I do consider it entirely possible.

There is an old parable in Hinduism and Buddhism about the blind men and the elephant.

A group of blind men touch an elephant to learn what it is like. Each one feels a different part, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then compare notes and learn that they are in complete disagreement about what the elephant looks like. In some versions of the story they all argue violently about what the elephant looks like but when a sighted man walks by and tells them what the entire elephant looks like, they all learn they are blind.

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Well, being that you're human, you either already know, or you easily CAN know what is true about men.
But knowing what's true about God will likely take considerable effort and thought initially; very much less so with practice.
I recommend using this as a guiding rule of thumb to go by,.....
What is TRUE about God NEVER contradicts love, goodness, what is just, or what is right.
So how is letting 6 million of his chosen people die in gas chambers etc not contrary to love, goodness, justness or what is right?

It would seem to me that God has no concept at all about what is right, loving or moral.

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Sounds like your concept and understanding of prayer is a bit off course.
"For me, prayer is a surge of the heart; it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy."
(St.Thérèse of Lisieux, Manuscrits autobiographiques)
"Prayer is the raising of one's mind and heart to God or the requesting of good things from God."
(St. John Damascene, De fide orth)
But when we pray, do we speak from the height of our pride and will, or "out of the depths" of a humble and contrite heart?
He who humbles himself will be exalted; humility is the foundation of prayer. Only when we humbly acknowledge that "we do not know how to pray as we ought," are we ready to receive freely the gift of prayer.
(Ps 130:1; Lk 18:9-14; Rom 8:26)
"Man is a beggar before God."
(St. Augustine, Sermo 56)
My concept of prayer is quite clear. It doesn't work. Plain and simple. Otherwise, we wouldn't need hospitals. You could just pray your loved one's sickness away.

Or maybe God is just too busy deciding football games to stop the millions of starving children worldwide.

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Cisco Kid wrote:
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Sounds like your concept and understanding of prayer is a bit off course.
"For me, prayer is a surge of the heart; it is a simple look turned toward heaven, it is a cry of recognition and of love, embracing both trial and joy."
(St.Thérèse of Lisieux, Manuscrits autobiographiques)
"Prayer is the raising of one's mind and heart to God or the requesting of good things from God."
(St. John Damascene, De fide orth)
But when we pray, do we speak from the height of our pride and will, or "out of the depths" of a humble and contrite heart?
He who humbles himself will be exalted; humility is the foundation of prayer. Only when we humbly acknowledge that "we do not know how to pray as we ought," are we ready to receive freely the gift of prayer.
(Ps 130:1; Lk 18:9-14; Rom 8:26)
"Man is a beggar before God."
(St. Augustine, Sermo 56)
I'm willing to bet that all the prayers in the world would not have diverted the course of the typhoon that hit the Philippines causing so much death and destruction, not even if all the prayers were from "humble and contrite hearts." People from all over the world are now using their hands to help the unfortunate people of the Philippines, and hands that are free to help can do so much more than hands clasped together in prayer!

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I'm willing to bet that all the prayers in the world would not have diverted the course of the typhoon that hit the Philippines causing so much death and destruction, not even if all the prayers were from "humble and contrite hearts." People from all over the world are now using their hands to help the unfortunate people of the Philippines, and hands that are free to help can do so much more than hands clasped together in prayer!
Or maybe many were spared due to prayer...

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I'm willing to bet that all the prayers in the world would not have diverted the course of the typhoon that hit the Philippines causing so much death and destruction, not even if all the prayers were from "humble and contrite hearts." People from all over the world are now using their hands to help the unfortunate people of the Philippines, and hands that are free to help can do so much more than hands clasped together in prayer!
Just like the EF4 that went thru Illinois last Sunday morning...most of the town was in church and guess what? All churches were unscathed while 50 -100 meters away, the neighborhood was gone...
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Just like the EF4 that went thru Illinois last Sunday morning...most of the town was in church and guess what? All churches were unscathed while 50 -100 meters away, the neighborhood was gone...
Absolutely. A few years ago there was a huge fire in the Oakland hills that burnt many houses down. I remember a fellow church member from that time who's house was completely unscathed while houses around him were burnt down. Back in the original San Francisco earthquake there were reports of houses of Christians that were unaffected in neighborhoods that were devastated.

Of course some would consider this narcissistic, but we know God answers prayers of protection among believers to also act as help and comfort for others.

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Just like the EF4 that went thru Illinois last Sunday morning...most of the town was in church and guess what? All churches were unscathed while 50 -100 meters away, the neighborhood was gone...
That proves nothing. I am quite sure that other buildings escaped unscathed as well, and I have no doubt that there have been occasions when churches have been damaged or destroyed in some other natural disaster. As for the unfortunate people who died as a result of the storm, do you believe your god selected who would live and who would die?

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Or maybe many were spared due to prayer...
When a storm like Haiyan hits a highly Christian religious country like Philippines, then we can’t say that they are specially protected by the religious faith, on the contrary there is no link to that, just randomness.

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Absolutely. A few years ago there was a huge fire in the Oakland hills that burnt many houses down. I remember a fellow church member from that time who's house was completely unscathed while houses around him were burnt down. Back in the original San Francisco earthquake there were reports of houses of Christians that were unaffected in neighborhoods that were devastated.
Of course some would consider this narcissistic, but we know God answers prayers of protection among believers to also act as help and comfort for others.
Agreed... then there is the Church in downtown Minneapolis, Mn that was voting on allowing gay Ministers. Minutes before the vote, a freak tornado struck the Church ripping the cross from its steeple which was split in two.

http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/the-tor...
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Big Al wrote:
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Hinduism is generally considered the oldest living religion because of archeological evidence not the Vedic texts.
“The historical saga contained in the Bible – from Abraham’s encounter with God and his journey to Canaan, to Moses, deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, to the rise and fall of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah – was not a miraculous revelation, but a product of human imagination. It was first conceived – as recent archaeological findings suggest – during the span of two or three generations, about twenty-six hundred years ago.”– Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, Ph.D., director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University
Archeological evidence for Hinduism?

Archeology can't trump the written evidence for God's interaction with the 'sons of Adam' predating Hinduism......by millennia.
Adam had a son named Seth.
Seth's descendant line was Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah....

From Gen.5:21&24
"When Enoch was sixty-five years old, he begot Methuselah.

Enoch walked with God, and he was no longer here, for God took him."
Gen.5:21,24

To keep this in perspective, Methuselah was the great grandfather of Noah.

In place of the usual formula “then he died,” the change to “Enoch walked with God” implies that he did not die, but like Elijah (2 Kgs 2:11–12) was taken alive to God’s abode.
This mysterious narrative spurred much speculation and writing about Enoch the sage who knew the secrets of heaven and who could communicate them to human beings (see Sir 44:16; 49:14; Heb 11:5; Jude 14–15 and the apocryphal work 1 Enoch).

Enoch's writings are THE most ancient quoted in The Bible. Long, long, long, long before Hinduism existed.

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