How do you believe in the invisable?

How do you believe in the invisable?

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“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#1 Oct 21, 2013
This seems to be a common occurrence among the worlds religions.

I can understand this when you are a child. however, how do you continue into adulthood and never question this stuff for yourself.

After investigating the horrendous acts in the bible. The writings of women being nothing more than a way for a man to pass his seed. The condoning of slavery. The ridicules commandments like cutting on your penis and mixed fabrics. Fantastic stories like Noah's Arc, A drunk man having sex with his daughters (and not knowing), grass being created before the Sun and talking snakes, bushes and donkeys. Not to mentions contradictions, how do you read this and believe it?

You are to fear a god you love. Your deity is invisible; the offering plate seems very visible.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#2 Oct 21, 2013
invisible* :P
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#3 Oct 21, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
This seems to be a common occurrence among the worlds religions.
I can understand this when you are a child. however, how do you continue into adulthood and never question this stuff for yourself.
After investigating the horrendous acts in the bible. The writings of women being nothing more than a way for a man to pass his seed. The condoning of slavery. The ridicules commandments like cutting on your penis and mixed fabrics. Fantastic stories like Noah's Arc, A drunk man having sex with his daughters (and not knowing), grass being created before the Sun and talking snakes, bushes and donkeys. Not to mentions contradictions, how do you read this and believe it?
You are to fear a god you love. Your deity is invisible; the offering plate seems very visible.
I can understand this too when one is a child.

However, ask yourself this.
How do you continue into adulthood and never grow in educating yourself?

You have a responsibility to grow spiritually, get busy cause you got some learnin to do.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#4 Oct 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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I can understand this too when one is a child.
However, ask yourself this.
How do you continue into adulthood and never grow in educating yourself?
You have a responsibility to grow spiritually, get busy cause you got some learnin to do.
I am a "spiritual" person, pending what you want to say is spiritual.
If empathy, compassion and love is considered spiritual...

I don't see anything remotely spiritual about pretending there is an invisible man in the sky, ready to send you to hell it you don't believe he exists (to be tortured for all time)... but he loves you. Seems more a master/slave relationship or sadomasochism.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#5 Oct 22, 2013
Your belief in Hell is not required for your eternal residency therein.

Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
JohnnyTrunk

Westland, MI

#6 Oct 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
Your belief in Hell is not required for your eternal residency therein.
Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#7 Oct 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
Your belief in Hell is not required for your eternal residency therein.
Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Your non belief in Thor is not required for him to bust you upside the head with his hammer.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#8 Oct 22, 2013
I can't see air, either

And Jesus says the Holy Spirit is like the wind..you can here the sound of it, but it blows where it wills..and so is anyone born of spirit.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#9 Oct 22, 2013
little lamb wrote:
I can't see air, either
And Jesus says the Holy Spirit is like the wind..you can here the sound of it, but it blows where it wills..and so is anyone born of spirit.
Yes you can see air... blow up a balloon.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#10 Oct 22, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Yes you can see air... blow up a balloon.
Err,....ah....no. You really can't 'see' air.

Blowing up a balloon would exhibit 'the effects' of air.
Similar to how you can see the effects of God's holy Spirit in a reformed sinner's new personality in The Lord.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#11 Oct 22, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Your non belief in Thor is not required for him to bust you upside the head with his hammer.
Thor?.......Yeah, Right.

The reason he's called 'Thor' is because of his lisp and how he felt after defying The Lord.

Don't let your actions cause you to end up being 'sore'.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#13 Oct 22, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Err,....ah....no. You really can't 'see' air.
Blowing up a balloon would exhibit 'the effects' of air.
Similar to how you can see the effects of God's holy Spirit in a reformed sinner's new personality in The Lord.
Amen....

been reading about the abolition of slavery ..and i have found no atheist has pushed for abolition of slavery , it was Christians

the only thing i see Atheists push for are gay marriage and abortion and legal suicide...all selfish motives.

i see the changes for good was done originally by Christians , hospitals schools, working hours for men...

Atheists just expect these things now, but forget that most of what they benefited from came from Christians.

But now since Christianity has been pushed aside..I am noticing employers have no consideration for working their workers to death for as little as they can pay

and I notice medical expenses have sky rocketed as men no longer see professional life as service and help to fellow man, but to line their pockets.

yes you certainly know when Christians are led by the spirit in an environment , for they see a need and roll up their sleeves

in cities those feeding the homeless and the poor are Christians..not atheists..
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#18 Oct 22, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Amen....
been reading about the abolition of slavery ..and i have found no atheist has pushed for abolition of slavery , it was Christians
the only thing i see Atheists push for are gay marriage and abortion and legal suicide...all selfish motives.
i see the changes for good was done originally by Christians , hospitals schools, working hours for men...
Atheists just expect these things now, but forget that most of what they benefited from came from Christians.
But now since Christianity has been pushed aside..I am noticing employers have no consideration for working their workers to death for as little as they can pay
and I notice medical expenses have sky rocketed as men no longer see professional life as service and help to fellow man, but to line their pockets.
yes you certainly know when Christians are led by the spirit in an environment , for they see a need and roll up their sleeves
in cities those feeding the homeless and the poor are Christians..not atheists..
Welcome to Obamaland, it's a Brave New World.

Persecution for Christians and a failure for government and people in general.

Persevere in prayer, righteousness and working for The Lord.

Since: Jul 12

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#20 Oct 22, 2013
JohnnyTrunk wrote:
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Revelation 20:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
'Death' in the Bible NEVER means 'cease to exist'. You're still a JW.

Since: Jul 12

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#21 Oct 22, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Your non belief in Thor is not required for him to bust you upside the head with his hammer.
The Bible rules. Who is Thor? When you are burning in Hell with Satan you will understand.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#22 Oct 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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The Bible rules. Who is Thor? When you are burning in Hell with Satan you will understand.
Funny isn't it?

These poor ignorant folks will tell you Jesus never existed and then in their next breath want to sell you Norse heroes of old like they sprang alive from their comic books.

Brains unconnected to God are just drains.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#25 Oct 22, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Amen....
been reading about the abolition of slavery ..and i have found no atheist has pushed for abolition of slavery , it was Christians..........
That atheists did nothing to help stop slavery is totally untrue, you need to read some more, but take off your blinkers before you do. Did Christians also fight against slavery? Yes, and only right that they did, because to their shame, most of the slave owners were Christians who forced their slaves to adopt Christianity, using the bible to justify the whole sorry mess!
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#26 Oct 23, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Funny isn't it?
These poor ignorant folks will tell you Jesus never existed and then in their next breath want to sell you Norse heroes of old like they sprang alive from their comic books.
Brains unconnected to God are just drains.
You miss the point. We are using the mythical Norse heroes as a means to demonstrate the mythical nature of your god.
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#27 Oct 23, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Err,....ah....no. You really can't 'see' air.
Actually we can see air. What do you think the shimmering is over a hot road surface? It's a mixture of hot and cold air with different refractive indexes.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questi...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#33 Oct 23, 2013
"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence." -  letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820

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