When does the spirit enter the human ...

When does the spirit enter the human body?

Created by HighlyEvolved on Sep 4, 2010

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It's already in the sperm

It's already in the egg

At the moment of conception

Sometime between conception and birth

At the moment of birth

Sometime after birth

There is no such thing as the spirit

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#1 Sep 4, 2010
I've asked 10 Christians this question and gotten 11 answers, so I'd like to know for sure what Scripture teaches.

If the answer isn't in Scripture, then where is it?

This is an important question, as the answer will determine the viability of belief in the afterlife.

So please, be specific and as complete as possible in your answers.

Thanks!

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#2 Sep 4, 2010
The Mormons say that the spirit is eternal and we just come to Earth to get laid.

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#3 Sep 4, 2010
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
The Mormons say that the spirit is eternal and we just come to Earth to get laid.
Can you be more specific?

Since: Jan 10

Bad Tolz, Bavaria

#4 Sep 4, 2010
HighlyEvolved wrote:
I've asked 10 Christians this question and gotten 11 answers, so I'd like to know for sure what Scripture teaches.
If the answer isn't in Scripture, then where is it?
This is an important question, as the answer will determine the viability of belief in the afterlife.
So please, be specific and as complete as possible in your answers.
Thanks!
My assumption is based upon the notion that

Some birth defects are evidently built into the

human genomes. complete human cytomegalovirus genomes

that are infected, and/or defective, often result in

the production of malformed and/or sickly fetuses.

It logically follows, were that a fact, no selective spirit

would choose to enter a known defectively infected human embrio.

Since human defectives that are born that way obviously possess

their unique individual spirit or soul it would seem that either

spiritual inheritance was generated at conception, or before

that embrio's genomes and dna developed with its defective code;

or, that spirit insertion is just a random, first-come-first-served

type of proceedure and the spirit has no choice in the matter.

For surely, I can't imagine that an cognitive spirit would

purposely choose to inhabit a defective embrio or gestatious fetus,

or infant at, or after, its birthing.

I could be wrong, but it would be the first time ever, Highly!

My vote therefore, based on the above logic is, "AT CONCEPTION!"

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#5 Sep 4, 2010
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you be more specific?
Sure.

Doctine and Covenants:
"Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God."

Book of Abraham:
"And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these; and if thou canst count the number of sands, so shall be the number of thy seeds.
And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest."

The Mormons come to Earth, make a bunch of babies upon a bunch of wives and then they get to be Gods, each on his own planet.

Official Mormon concordance:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#6 Sep 4, 2010
KKKKADE wrote:
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My assumption is based upon the notion that
Some birth defects are evidently built into the
human genomes. complete human cytomegalovirus genomes
that are infected, and/or defective, often result in
the production of malformed and/or sickly fetuses.
It logically follows, were that a fact, no selective spirit
would choose to enter a known defectively infected human embrio.
Since human defectives that are born that way obviously possess
their unique individual spirit or soul it would seem that either
spiritual inheritance was generated at conception, or before
that embrio's genomes and dna developed with its defective code;
or, that spirit insertion is just a random, first-come-first-served
type of proceedure and the spirit has no choice in the matter.
For surely, I can't imagine that an cognitive spirit would
purposely choose to inhabit a defective embrio or gestatious fetus,
or infant at, or after, its birthing.
I could be wrong, but it would be the first time ever, Highly!
My vote therefore, based on the above logic is, "AT CONCEPTION!"
There is a first time for everything.
Cytomegalovirus is not a hereditary disease.
Here is a list of a few hundred hereditary diseases that may or not be passes on to offspring regardless of the opinions of so-called 'spirits'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_...
Doctor Reality

United States

#7 Sep 4, 2010
As far as humans are concerned,at physical conception. That's why abortion ,no matter at what stage of pregnacy,is MURDER!! As far as the Spirit of the Lord is concerned,"He" enters a person's body and soul the very moment a person TRULY receives the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

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#8 Sep 4, 2010
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure.
Doctine and Covenants:
"Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God."
Book of Abraham:
"And it was in the night time when the Lord spake these words unto me: I will multiply thee, and thy seed after thee, like unto these; and if thou canst count the number of sands, so shall be the number of thy seeds.
And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest."
The Mormons come to Earth, make a bunch of babies upon a bunch of wives and then they get to be Gods, each on his own planet.
Official Mormon concordance:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search...
Thanks, but I meant more specific about Mormon sexual positions!
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#9 Sep 4, 2010
I specialize in past life regression. In some instances, verification of information has been found. It's not condoned by science, because there is no way of measuring accuracy.
In my PLR sessions, according to my clients' testimonies, I have found that the spirit can be in the body during pregnancy, the spirit can come and go during pregnancy and the spirit can inhabit the body at birth or wait until after birth. The spirit can also choose not to inhabit the body.
The spirit will choose to inhabit the correct body type and be born into a family for specific reasons dealing with experiencing the challenges necessary for spiritual growth. Everyone is born for a reason. Everyone has some growing to do. It doesn't matter what religion. Everyone can experience multiple past lifes. You all may think it's b.s., but the emotions exemplified, during PLR are real.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#10 Sep 4, 2010
Doctor Reality wrote:
As far as humans are concerned,at physical conception. That's why abortion ,no matter at what stage of pregnacy,is MURDER!! As far as the Spirit of the Lord is concerned,"He" enters a person's body and soul the very moment a person TRULY receives the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
You don't know that. If the spirit is infinite, it cannot be destroyed. If it doesn't take on one body, it will take on another suitable body to experience the lessons it needs to learn.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#11 Sep 4, 2010
Tis is not to say that I condone abortion at will.
I do, however, think exceptions should be made in the cases of rape and the health of the mother.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#12 Sep 4, 2010
I probably need to retract my last statement. If conditions are such that the mother cannot support the child, abortion is between the mother and her Creator. The infinite spirit will materialize when conditions are right.

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#13 Sep 4, 2010
Tickedoffchick wrote:
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You don't know that. If the spirit is infinite, it cannot be destroyed. If it doesn't take on one body, it will take on another suitable body to experience the lessons it needs to learn.
Bible says spirits can be destroyed.

Ezek 18:4, "the soul that sins shall die."

Ecclesiastes 9:5, " ...the dead know not any thing,"

Psalm 6:5, "For in death there is no remembrance of You; in the grave who will give You thanks?"

The dead know nothing until they are resurrected by God at the return of Jesus Christ. God then gives the person the gift of eternal life by resurrecting him again as a living spirit being,(this time immortal). If the person is a wicked sinner he is resurrected later as a physical human being and sent to his eternal death in Hell, according God's judgment.

Romans 6:23. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#14 Sep 4, 2010
Jammer,
So, who says the Bible is correct? It was written by men to control men. I only know what I have experienced.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

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#15 Sep 4, 2010
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Thanks, but I meant more specific about Mormon sexual positions!
Rather boring, I suspect, as Mormons are the highest per capita consumers of antidepressants in the world. Plus, I don't think they are allowed to remove their magic underwear until they're done, and then only to wash up.

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#16 Sep 4, 2010
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Rather boring, I suspect, as Mormons are the highest per capita consumers of antidepressants in the world. Plus, I don't think they are allowed to remove their magic underwear until they're done, and then only to wash up.
I have heard of this 'magic underwear' before and I confess....
I don't know what it is really.
I have known lots of Mormons and they didn't look like they had on that sort of stuff.
Tickedoffchick

Enfield, CT

#17 Sep 4, 2010
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Bible says spirits can be destroyed.
Ezek 18:4, "the soul that sins shall die."
Ecclesiastes 9:5, " ...the dead know not any thing,"
Psalm 6:5, "For in death there is no remembrance of You; in the grave who will give You thanks?"
The dead know nothing until they are resurrected by God at the return of Jesus Christ. God then gives the person the gift of eternal life by resurrecting him again as a living spirit being,(this time immortal). If the person is a wicked sinner he is resurrected later as a physical human being and sent to his eternal death in Hell, according God's judgment.
Romans 6:23. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord".
Some of the Roman Church's founding Fathers believed in reincarnation.
Doesn't it make sense to threaten someone with damnation to gain members and keep them under control?

It appears, all the threats were made with the organization of the Roman Church. History Channel even did a story on this.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#18 Sep 4, 2010
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard of this 'magic underwear' before and I confess....
I don't know what it is really.
I have known lots of Mormons and they didn't look like they had on that sort of stuff.
The women seem pretty good about keeping it concealed, as required, but most of the guys seem to keep enough shirt buttons undone to let you know they're towing the corporate line.

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/barbi...

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#19 Sep 4, 2010
Tickedoffchick wrote:
Jammer,
So, who says the Bible is correct? It was written by men to control men. I only know what I have experienced.
I believe it to be wrong about many things.

There is nothing to show humans have a soul at all. What we have is a big brain that makes up all kinds of things like heaven,hell and a human soul or spirit. All we are is an evolved animal.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#20 Sep 4, 2010
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard of this 'magic underwear' before and I confess....
I don't know what it is really.
I have known lots of Mormons and they didn't look like they had on that sort of stuff.
On a more serious note, this from the official website.

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp...

(Long link, hope it works)

The Mormon church recently asked the Catholic Church to release information regarding dead Catholics so they could baptise them as Mormons. The Catholic Church was understandably not supportive of the idea.

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_sto...

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